Now that Fred has wrapped up the Super slam, any chance at him penning a book? Similar to Chuck's "Super Slam" but a trad version that would be cool. I would pre-order right now!!! Maybe someone has an inside hint they would like to share. Not just the stories of the hunts but also the equiptment used. :pray: Probably make for some real good readin. Any title suggestions? Joe
Since Fred is the second guy to do it, I would think the 1st guy would have an inside track on a book about it.
I'd buy it, I'd buy them both, Freds and Mr. Duggans for that matter. 2 different people, 2 different points of view and a bunch of different hunting experiences.
I think Fred could do a much better job of it if he tells about his hunts and leaves the measurments of each trophy out of the picture. Chuck may be quite the archer and has accomplished alot in his days but his book turned me right off. There's a measurment for everything but his you know what in that book! Every other sentence has a measurement/score. I measure success differently than Chuck, I don't need a ruler/tape to feel big.
I love Mr. Adams book. Hopefully Mr. Eichler will share his adventures as well.
Fred I believe used Palmer bows exclusively, could be wrong but I think so. He shoot around 55#s give or take also. I would love to read a book by both guys who have done it, different stories on how they took each animal and ya could kind of compare the two. Shawn
"ENOUGH ALREADY"?????
enough what? Harvesting animals legally with archery equipment?
hunters against hunters, that is better?
Not to get off topic and not defending anyone here (I understand the ego thing) but if you read Chucks book "Life at Full Draw", you'll see he catches hell both ways. For many years he did not enter any trophies in PY and got pumbled for that. They called him unsupportive etc. Then I think he entered over a 100 animals, and got pumbled for that also (now he is a show off). Public opinion (trial) is a rough way to go about anything, someone is always going to disagree. I personally got to talk to him and he didn't seem like a bad guy, regardless it's a hell of an accomplishment. I'm new to Trad so I'm not sure who Mr. Duggan is, any links to read about him. Thanks Joe I hope this doesn't get locked.
I have read stuff from both of them, IMAO Fred does a better Job of writing, plus he is more like a everyday person...
JoeM, there is a pretty good article on Mr. Duggan in the Dec/Jan2007 issue of Traditional Bowhunter. Maybe that will help.
-Leonard-
Never thought of it as celebrating? He hunts, and writes for a living. And is doggon good at it.
I have not meet him. I can understand your thoughts more after your encounter.
One thing i cannot tolarate is a me, me, me person.
Steve.
Guys get over it it is a real challenge wheather you use a wheel bow or a trad bow both fred & chuck are real good hunters and both deserve there own point of view and yes I also like to know what each animal scores as do others By the way Chuck has probably more book animals than any other hunter in history :banghead:
Thanks Leonard Joe
i quite like fred, smeams down to earth and comes across as having a good time.
i find it incredible how many trophy animals Chuck has killed. never figured the guys that the first thing they do is pull out the tape measure when they recover the animal, it aint for me but i judge success and trophys diferent to others and i realise they see it different to me. :rolleyes:
Try to get us back on track here ;) What about a book on a TRADITIONAL bow hunters experiences and stories of taking evr species in NA. Maybe we could call it "Somethin JoeM is never gonna do book" by Fred Eichler :p or "I lost so many arrows Dale Karch can retire," you know somethin like that. Everyone take a deep breath (Bob ;) ) , old Chuck is like a lighting rod. Joe
I think Fred would write an interesting book. I have hunted where Chuck has; and I am sure his books don't relate- to how he hunts.
I would like a book told from the perspective of someone that learns to hunt the hard way..that is from making mistakes and figuring out why they happened. And too what kind of clothing they wear; what failed them; and why.
It wouldn't take a person with a single P&Y entry to do it though- would it :)
I would absolutely love to share a hunt with Fred Eichler. No matter what it is, he gets just as worked up. I'm the same way. I get just as excited about a yearling doe as I do a big buck.
I PEASONALY WOULD READ BOTH TRAD GEAR SAGAS.
BTW..I THINK every ANIMAL HARVESTED WITH A BOW AND ARROW LEGALLY IS A TROPHY!
BEST
BOB
JOEM
"What about a book on a TRADITIONAL bow hunters experiences and stories of taking evr species in NA. Maybe we could call it "Somethin JoeM is never gonna do book" by Fred Eichler or "I lost so many arrows Dale Karch can retire," you know somethin like that"
THATS FUNNY I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE!
BEST
BOB
Scoter67 an ACCOMPLISHMENT yes, a trophy????
nahhhhhhhhh
I have to say, I would definitely read a book Fred put out. I watched his Mexican big-horn sheep hunt this morning. He gets so excited, I think he would be fun to hunt with. Never can have too many trad friends!
-Charlie
Biggie
I know your a trophy hunter and thats great for YOU but please don't put your trophy values on anyone but YOURSELF.What might not be a trophy in your eyes doesn't mean they are not in others..
Best
Bob
I thought Biggie was just haveing fun Scooter. But if he was bothering you let me know and I`ll talk to him about it the next time I give him shooting lessons....RC
Fred is sponsored by Hoyt and He will probably start shooting compounds more , Ive seen it already....I guess money talks...(
Enjoy Eichlers shows immensely. I have heard Rick Duggan give a presentation just about a year ago. The man was remarkably entertaining and one of his stories about his Grizzly hunt took you right there with him. I would buy his as well as Eichlers book in a heartbeat
I've said for years that if Monty Browning wrote a 300-page book on watching the grass grow, I'd buy it and probably enjoy the heck out of it. I put Fred's writing in that category too. He's got a way of telling a story that could make anything entertaining.
Your right on about Monty Browning. Saw him speak once at the Trad Expo. About his brush with death and a mamma grizz. When he was done, most everyones mouth was hanging open and a few tears shed. Jim
Jim,
I remember when he told the bear story at Kalamazoo. You could have heard a pin drop in that room. He definately had someone looking out for him on that encounter.
Yeah, amazing story.
Fred wrote a few articles for TBM before and they were good. I enjoy his show and videos, he seems very honest, not real concerned about "trophies", and is certainly a knowledgeable hunter. He has been a respected outfitter for a long time.
Fred definitely does not whip out the tape measure after the shot. He shoots whatever is legal and even argues with his outfitter on one show to shoot a caribou cow (which is legal). The guide is like, no way man we are looking for a big bull! It is hilarious and you can tell both are dead serious.
I enjoy Monty's writing as well. I do not remember reading anything from Rick Duggan but I bet he has some stories to tell.
How did smilin Chuck get into this?
I know Fred personally and I LIKE Fred, I was somewhat dismayed when he did shoot cows and small bulls/bucks just to fulfill the species slam.
I'd buy his book as well, but would read Mr Duggan's book 1st :-)
I was wondering if you could use either sex could be used, Chuck Adams took some nice animals I would like to meet him someday too.
It was me Biggie that dragged Chuck and his little man syndrome into this. I just stated that,if Fred pens a book, which I hope he does. That he would not go off on the size of everything but his you know what every other sentence. I respect Chuck for what he has accomplished and admire what he has done. I own two of Chucks books, both were gifts. I was so turned off by the measuring of everything ,every other sentence that I did not even read the second book! I just do not guage my accomplishments by the tape. There is so much more to the hunt and the animals we pursue than the size. Just my opinion.
Everybodies got different goals some big animals some harvest a particular species. Hats off to anyone that completes their goals.
Given the choice I'll shoot the trophy and would smile alot too.
Chuckie shot his with a compound. Fred I think ,used a recurve. Big difference ! Sorry, I don't know about Mr.Duggans. Someone enlighten me .
Ia Hawkeye
Mr Duggans was the first to do the slam with a recurve
Best
Bob
Mr. Duggan used a Chastain recurve for his super slam. Fred used a Palmer recurve for his.
I have never met Chuck Adams, or Rick Duggan so I can't speak to their character. However, anyone who has the perserverance to accomplish the super slam has a lot to teach the world. Not just the bowhunting community.
I have however, met and hunted with Fred Eichler. I can say this about him. He is the same person at 4 in the morning as he is at 4 in the afternoon. He is the same in his own living room as he is on camera. He gets just as excited when someone ELSE shoots something ethically as he does when he shoots something. Fred is the genuine article. You can't help but repect him for that. Fred is a great ambassador to our sport, and a great friend.
I have also met Chuck Adams and he is no stranger to stick and string he started out that way just like a lot of us, some continued others prefer modern equipment. He is a very down to earth guy. I really think hunters in a whole, ethical hunters need to stay united. I would like to remind you that Fred Eichler also shoots a compound bow. I would love to read a book about his traditional super slam. Lets all stick together!
Something else I like about Fred's work (as well as Denny Sturgis') is that he gets excited no matter what kind of animal he shoots. If he kills a doe or small buck, he doesn't downplay it with excuses about cull bucks or whatever. Every animal in and of itself is cause for celebration -- something I can relate to.
I met Fred last year and found him to be pleasant, humble, and a joy to visit with. He actually singled me out and came over and struck up a conversation with me out of the blue.
He can drink my beer any day of the week.
I like to watch Freds hunts on tv; he is enthusiastic and its obvious he enjoys hunting; and I think he is a credit to bowhunting.
Now I don't think much about someone that lets his money talk antihunters into letting him hunt on their land; then putting his treestand up 35 feet up in a tree; and shooting whole back quivers full of arrows at bucks out there at the edge of the bows ability to toss arrows.
Mention that persons name around here; and they talk about a porcupine moose; and everyone wants to upchuck.
Not mentioning the persons name.
I would like to see more good stuff both in print; and on cds. Like that Wensel did.
Fred can drink my beer any day of the week too. :thumbsup: :archer: