just wondering, lets say I shot an average size deer at 10 yards from the ground with a shavig sharp wensel woodsman out of a 48# longbow, its a double lung hit and a complete pass through, how far will it go before it dies and how much of a bloodtrail can I expect, I missed a doe last night at 10 yaards and was wondering what would have happened if I hit her in the right spot
depends how startled she was by the shot and how relaxed she was Prior to the shot. I shot a doe this year, That WALKED 10 yards after the shot and just fell over, I dont think she knew she was shot be cause she was in the middle of SNEEZING when I shot her. I used a 2 blade G5 broad head I dont have the heart to use a WW on does LOL!!
I can tell you that she wil not go farther than 100 yards no matter what, perect double lung and pass thru, they are done quick. I have had them just stand there after a hit like that and take a step and fall over dead. Ialso have had them keep eating after the hit. Shawn
Keep eating????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow what a sight!!
You must be some shot to slip it past the ribs so clean!!! .....lol :knothead:
Well done!!
I will have to agree less than 100 yrds, and if you hit them low enough in the lungs there will be a good blood trail to follow.
Depends on quite a few things.I've had double-lunged complete pass-thru's on deer go anywhere from 10-15yrds and just fall over,and I've had them run 150 yards all out,and everything in between.I don't think there's any average or definate answers.
Ive had them run from 30 to near 150 yards
are there good bloodtrails with WW
The biggest buck I've killed to date simply stopped walking, looked around and fell over dead. Like Shawn, I've had several jump a little then go back to browsing or just walk off.
A sharp broadhead that hits no bone is relatively painless. Like cutting your self while shaving, you normall don't realize it until you see the trickle of blood.
Regardless, a deer that is double lunged isn't going far...usually less than 40 yards.
My largest buck ran almost 150 yards after a clean double lung hit. After 75 yards there was no blood to trail and I finally found him on a hunch. I was doubting myself at the shot placement before I finally found him. Dressed weight was 185# so he was close to 200# live weight.
Dennis
150 yards is the maximum I've seen on a double lung hit. :campfire:
On average, I'd say they won't go much over 100 yards. I did see one doe that went 300 yards after a double-lung pass through, but the deer was extremely wired when it was shot.
No one can really say,you have to experiance it yourself.jonesy
My experience: almost always <150 yards. Usually <100 yards. Most frequently around 60 yards. Occasionally, <20 yards.
I like it when they run a semi circle, they go away and then get closer. most of the time inside 150 yards.
I like it when they run TOWARDS the truck! :bigsmyl:
if a deer is relaxed when its shot - I would expect it to drop at about 60 yards with a double lung hit.
I have shot deer through the heart that didn't hear it coming; that started feeding; fell over; and one buck that bred a doe and fell off of her quite dead.
If a deer is alerted; then it will really pick um up and put them down; and cover ground. If the arrow hit where the shoulder can come back as it runs- it can keep blood from coming out as it would when the wound was not covered.
Then too; hit a bone; and the deer will travel further- due to the shock to the system. A two blade head between ribs; it is like a shaving cut; compared to taking a baseball bat and hitting a rock. ( don't try that at home).
Another thing is the arrow that does not pass through. If its swinging around or slapping the deer; it will go further.
Deer normally run from danger into the next cover; and then put their tail down; and check their backtrail: to see if they are being followed.
If they are hit they can tend to do the same thing; to run a distance and stop and look back.
A lung hit collapses the lungs; and the oxygen stops going to the brain real fast; and they hit the ground when that happens- but toss in some adrenaline and they will cover more ground.
This shows itself real well with gut hit deer. They will lay down within yards; and die there; but if they get pushed; they can run for miles.
Timing is really important in bowhunting. Waiting for a shot at a calm deer is not always possible; but always preferable!
:campfire: :archer:
Sorry Jason, I ain't buyin it.
Matty and Brian make very good points :campfire: ...Van
Double lungs, 100 very possible, 150 maybe, 300 No way.... I have never had a double lung go over 100 yrds...
300 on a double lung hit not happenin, however i have had single lung deer take me over a mile.
Bob, Joe and Biggie,
Are you calling me a liar?
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Jason, I think they are saying that they have never witnessed that. Me either. 300 yards with no air is incredible for any living thing but I suppose it's possible. Heart shot deer going that far is more common :wavey: ...Van
Jason- I really believe you- if the broadhead is dull. That can be subjective; I have had people tell me they have sharp broadheads; and I have stopped right there in the woods; and sat down and made their broadheads sharp....because they were not.
And with a dull broadhead; there ain't no way to tell how far it will go.
With sharp broadheads; its gonna drop fast. If its running hard with adrenaline in it; yep that could be a ways- but no doubt within 100 yards.
If the broadheads are dull; then a double lunged hit could go a long way.
If you cannot shave hair from your arm; its not a sharp broadhead. If you take a new head and shoot it into a target - as I have seen people do on television a hundred times; then that head is just NOT going to cut like when it is sharp.
Biggie and the others - I would bet my last dollar on- shoot sharp broadheads!!
So what they experience - may not be what you see. If your going on your buddies hits on deer; well your dependant on if they used sharp heads; and if your going on what you have experienced; I suggest you search your heart for an answer as to the sharpness of your broadheads.
These people that are dubious are of great character; and not saying what they do out of disrespect.
You hunt with these guys; and you will see they know their stuff.
Let the light in.
Brian
Van,
Actually, their responses were "I ain't buying it", "No way", and "not happenin". And since I'm not one for beating around the bush, I'd just like to know if I'm being called a liar or not.
I'll readily admit that it was about twice as far as I've ever seen a double-lunged deer go before, or since, but it was what it was. 10-yard shot on a slightly quartering-away mature doe with a recurve and a Woodsman head. And yes, the head was sharp...I'd just put an edge on it the day before and it'd shave hair. If it won't, it doesn't go in my quiver.
This was opening day in WI, 2002.
The arrow entered the rear third of the near lung, exited the front third of the far lung and stuck in the dirt. Organe damage was confirmed when I field dressed it. I checked the recovery distance with a GPS and a laser rangefinder...twice. I could check my notes to see the exact number I averaged the recovery at, but it was at or a hair over 300 yards. Until I actually field dressed her, I'd have swore I only got one lung just by how far she went.
On a side note, I just found that avatar of yours in one of the old Archery magazines I got off the classifieds a few weeks ago. If you don't have the entire magazine (instead of just the photo) let me know and I'll send it your way.
Jason I'm not callin any one a liar, I wasn't there, can't argue what I didn't see. However were the deers lungs examined and was the yardage paced off. If the answer to both questions is yes then I guess it happened. i didn't intend to offend anyone. I've shot deer that were wired up and even with their best effort they didn't make it very far. A few years back i had a doe come in that was spooked by another hunter, I double lunger her and she took off diggin hard. She literally passed out runnin and did sort of like a sommesault but even then she probably only made it 120yds. On the other hand I had a deer I swore i double lung that upon checkin the lungs only one had a hole in it. Joe
I type to slow. Joe
Jason, I don't think anyone called you a lair, and anything is possible with wild animals. But thanks for reminding me why I very seldom post on any site...
Thanks for the clarification, Joe.
FWIW, I always confirm organ damage when I kill an animal (small game notwithstanding). On this one I checked everything over and over again just to make sure. I usually just estimate the recovery, but for this one I used a laser rangefinder and a GPS twice each.
Jason - if you shot it quartering away; and it was on the left side; did it go through gut material before going into the lungs; or if the right side; did it go through the liver? Either one could dull the head. I have seen broadheads stopped completely by hitting the part of the stomach where the freshly broken off twigs were. Indeed it is like a bullet proof vest in its composition. Liver hits hurt; and the deer would really pick them up and put them down.
I think we were all thinking totally broadside; totally a double lung hit without any other organs being hit.
I gotta say - doubting your word leaves a bad taste in my mind.
Brian,
The entrance wound was slightly in front of the diaphragm. No gut or liver. In one lung, out the other. If I had to guess, I don't think she was quartered more than 15 degrees at most.
58 yards, 4 and 7/8 inches. Yeah that's it....according to the book of double lunged deer recovery distances.
first of all i say keep practicing on your shots!!
The worst part is...all of these answers are true. You NEVER know what will happen when you drop that string. A good knowledge of your quarry, decent ability in the woods, and some good buddies to call when you need them will make all the difference in the world.
No animal will act like the one before. Not every shot will be perfect. Focus on practicing "the shot", having sharp BHs , and get on every blood trail you can, even if nothing is gained but knowledge. You will learn something on every trail. Good luck Ian, I look forward to reading about your first deer soon.
I shot a 200# 135" buck in ND this year exactly as you describe. 8 yds, off the ground, centered both lungs. He actually went over 250yds. I was quite suprised. We did an autopsy and it was centered in both lungs- quite amazed he went that far. That was a first though- all others over 25 years have been less than 100.
I am going to agree with Pete Patterson on this one. Its the only logical response.
nuff said
thats a great question... i think typically they will be done within 100 yds..If you are in thick cover ..probably closer...if you are on a field edge...i know a double lunged deer can go 200 yds on a sprint.... we tracked one this year and it was a good 200 yds, before it piled up...He was going to the thicket along the creek and he gave it his best.... as far as blood trails...they all differ.... but what you really want to look for is pink blood with bubbles in it...if it is deep dark red... it may be muscle or liver...
I shot a five pointer from 5yds on the ground this year and double lunged him. That deer ran a good 100yds. I didn't think he went that far so i got up after waiting a few mins and jumped him up. Blast, he didn't make 40yds past that point.
I shot a four point from about 20yds with a three blade from a tree stand and he turned a circle and fell down under me. You never know what the crazy deer will do, one thing's for sure, don't rush up to one after the shot unless you see it fall and know for sure he's down for the count.
From what I've seen for myself,there is no average distance.
With a double lung hit I've had them go 15 yards,and I belive that deer was dead at 10 yards but rolled down a bank after falling.
Then I've had a couple go around 100 yards.
Some times heaps of blood,some times just a few drops.
The only definate,,,they always go down hill and end up a some sod of a place to drag em' out from.I'd love it if just for once,one of them would run up hill a die on a nice flat spot,,,,just once would be nice,,,LOL!
Hmmmm... Sounds like Jason was busy watching his Garmin, walked past his deer, and recovered a doe shot by some poor sap a hill away.
Just kidding Jason! All in fun...
I shot a buck once that went at least 200 yds. Double lunged him at 15 yds broadside. He ran about 40 yds to the field edge and stopped. I expected to see him fall over right there. To my surprise, he took off across the field and made it to the other side where he dropped as soon as he hit the brush. It was amazing.
That's the only deer I've ever seen go more than 100 yds on a double lung hit. Most go quite a bit less. I've never had a bad blood trail on a double lung hit regardless of broadhead.
Double lunged? Does that mean they were both center punched one hit centered the other nicked or were they both nicked shot in the high in the lung shot low? Up hill down hill,tree stand ground.There has to be hundreds of different combinations all which might effect the recovery.
I'm not a doctor and when I perform an autopsy its usally just a guick check to see if I hit those pink ballons or that red fist shaped thingamabob but I really couldn't stuff them back in the box and tell if they were up side down or right side out.
Jasn, no, I'm not calling you a liar, if we get personal on here they will delete your posts.
Is BS the same as lieing? Sometimes I BS.:>)
It depends on how fast the deer is. :) A shot deer that is startled or knows you are there runs untill they die.Some can cover a lot of ground in just the few seconds it takes then to die even if you take out the heart.Others are not alerted and in the best cases don't even know they have been shot.They just get dizzy and go down for a dirt nap in a few seconds.Every instance and every deer is different.If I had to put a number on it I would say 70yds would be a good average for what I have killed over the years.Some have gone twice that and many far less but that is a good number for me. :)
Regaurdless of how far they might run a good hunters tracking skills should be at least twice as good as his shooting skills because sooner or later you will need it. :D
Terrain has a bit to do with it too. I had one run 50 yards and fall another 50 into a hole last year.
I've read all these posts and i haven't heard any mention of how long anyone waited until they went after these animals....I believe in many cases even a poorly placed shot on a deer or elk can be retrieved in less than 100 yards if the conditions are right and you have the patience...I've seen some beautifully placed shots with razor edged broadheads never even retrieved due to getting on a trail too soon....or having too many people in the vicinity. i shot an elk one time that went a mile and a half, a good portion of that was up hill too....had 5 guys helping me track it for 6 hours....all of us were amazed it could possibly go that far....but that was a liver / lung shot....even then....it was amazing.....
KirkII
I too have seen elk shot double lung, and bleed about a cup or 2 of blood and still be alive 6 hours later!!
Conditions play a big part...
Good point
Jake
I'm not doubting anyone, I find it interesting....
I do have a couple of I think legitiment Questions....
1). Is there a differance between a Double High Lung hit or a Double Low Lung hit...
2). I know Crazy Sharp is good, Butt whats the differance between a Double Lung hit with Crazy Sharp and Semi Sharp....
If ya poke holes trhu both Lungs, what diff dose it make....
Just curious guys, don't hang me....
Hey Mike,
According to John Jennenerey (I killed his last name) low lung hits are better because in the anatomy of the lung there is a higher concentration of vessels set low as opposed to higher. Also a sharp BH will cut everything it touches where as a dull BH although it will cut some it will also displace some vessels to the side without severing them, resulting in less blood loss. Poking a hole in the lungs will not necesarilly cause the lung to collapse(especially in a high hit) you need the blood to flood out the lung. Joe
in answer to the original question-There is no telling. 15-80 yards will encompass the majority of dble lung hits.0-400yards wil take in 99% plus but I'm sure somebody will come up with a true story of something longer even though it is beyond my experience. Adrenaline and individual tenacity make huge differences. I once helped stick 5 arrows in a Javelina and then, out of arrows, we had to wait 5 more minutes for it to expire. They weren't all good hits but the last two were.
John Scifres mentioned it but guys that hunt in level or rolling terrain may not even think about the places where some of us shoot that allow deer to cover 100yards in 3-4 downhill jumps.
I agree with Tree man. That said though, I have seen so many different reactions (many of which were unexpected) that I cannot or would not rule out anything, including hopping away like a kangaroo :D .
Jason, thanks for the offer. I have 2 copies of the mag. One I bought for $3 at a 3-D shoot a few years ago and another that a kind Tradganger like yourself sent me :wavey: ...Van