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Title: Wanna make a bow form?........
Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 09:51:00 AM
OK guys,its 10 degrees here and sposed to be 30-35 mph wind today,don't think I can get my shop warm so I'm trapped in the house!   :coffee:      :coffee:
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
Pretty swoopy,eh...  Now to make the template for cuttin the form with a router. I like to cut with a router because the edge of the form is really square with the side which is very important so the limbs don't twist.

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0750.jpg)

I set my slidin square off the router in the pic above,then square off the profile line on the form that distance(from edge of bit to edge of router base)and make a series of dots. The template is for one half the bow(for identical limbs, do one limb and flip template to other end for the other)+ 2" over the center line of the form so ya have room to rout to center without gougin the form!!  :banghead:  

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0752.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0749.jpg)
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:23:00 AM
Heres the template marked out,just connect the dots,then I bandsawed the template shape to 1/8" from the mark. Then its off to the belt and disc sander,also a little with a sanding block,get the template to a really smooth radius and ya dont have to sand the form .Easier to sand 1/4" masonite than 1 1/2" of hard plywood!!!  :readit:  

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0754.jpg)
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
Heres a step I hadn't used before,bandsawing the form 1/8" from where the router runs,really made it easier to cut with the router,gives the chips a place to go!

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0755-1.jpg)

Now to the fun part,actually routing the form shape....  The template is used on both ends of the bow,I left 2" over the center of the form so you can run the router just past center without runnin out of template and makin a big gouge in the form. After ya do 1 half,unclamp the template and flip to the other end and run that end with the router.

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0756.jpg)
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Post by: Osagetree on January 01, 2008, 10:34:00 AM
Good stuff,,, thanks for taking the time. I know alot of guy's are watching this one!
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 01, 2008, 10:36:00 AM
Great idea using a router Kenny....How much are you figuring for your air hose? Kirk
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
The form is done as ya can see by this pic,got all the hardware,hose for clamping the bow to glue it up,all done up!I leave 1 1/4" between form pieces when I put the hardware on for the firehose clamp system.


(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0762bowformready.jpg)
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Post by: Osagetree on January 01, 2008, 10:42:00 AM
Is a pressure strip for the hose and a heat box required for this?

If so,,, Why do you need to use a heat box?
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Post by: SOS on January 01, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
One other way of doing it if you don't have a big router that will handle 1 1/2" is to make the form to your liking on one 3/4" inch piece, cut and glue the second piece with a little extra, then use a contour following router bit to match the other half. Then it goes from this:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/SOS_321/formfab3.jpg)

To this:

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/SOS_321/formfab4.jpg)

Can't wait to see the rest of it Kenny!
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
You can copy a bow you really like or design your own(very time consuming and can be $$$$)
This particular form had one bow off it,didn't think it was what I was after,so I gave it away and started over. Recut the form twice and it got too narrow so I had to start over.................
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
OT,I use the metal pressure strip,its sposed to give more even pressure when ya clamp.don't guess you have to use a heat box with smoothon,but its habit. Fred Asbell(Bighorn Bows) said epoxy would fail above the temp it was cured at so I heat....??

Steve,bandsawing the form made all the diff on routing,when the chips can fly its easy!!
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
Heck,I'll just go on with the bow outta this form...........

Bandsawed and ground the riser to shape ,a couple of the lams were only 36" so I beveled them and superglued them into 1 piece,thats whats clamped to the table in the next pic. From the left,the form,2- .060" red elm,2-.040" black glass(covered w/masking tape),1- .050" S.A. lam, 1-.090"  S.A. taper(.002 per inch),oh yeah the riser is that skinny piece of walnut layin there in the middle of it all(gets a big overlay on the glass on the string side,the belly of the bow) The plastic wrap is to keep all the glue off the form,also waxed the bottom piece ,shoulda done the top but out of wax....

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0765.jpg)

The glue,Smooth-on epoxy,a 2-part heat cured epoxy

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0766.jpg)
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 11:08:00 AM
Here everything is glued up,sorry no pics of that,I was quite busy by myself!! Laid all the lams with the riser sandwiched in on the form,taped the lams down to make it easier to get the top 1/2 of the form on,hadda use a pipe clamp to squeeze things a bit to get the bolts in. Tightened the bolts up ,aired up the firehose a little,checked to see everything stayed where it was sposed to,aired to 75#,and put her in the oven to cure the epoxy!!

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0767.jpg)


Got er outta the oven and ground the excess glue off the limb edges,here we check the limbs to see if the ends line up with the center.They did!  :goldtooth:  
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0769LargeWebview.jpg)
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 11:15:00 AM
Then I glued the piece on the belly for the handle section,also with smoothon and back in the hotbox....

And heres the riser section roughed out

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0772LargeWebview.jpg)

OK worked on her again ,glued a piece of osage on the front of the grip,found some stuff I ain't real happy with,but heres what she looks like now....
 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0777.jpg)

As you can see in the above pic,the string is very near the limb ends,translates into more noise when shot. Also the limb tips don't unroll completely into a smooth arc when drawn,but then it ain't a longbow,more of a hybrid.... still workin on that. It does seem to shoot fairly fast and hard with my 525 grain carbons. I put more of a recurve grip on it,figured I could take it off,but its harder to put back on!! Heres a few more pics,plannin somethin different on the finish,but you gotta wait to see that!
 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0779.jpg)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0781.jpg)

 (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_0782.jpg)
Title: Re: Wanna make a bow form?........
Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 11:20:00 AM
OK folks,here is the next to the last thing I'm gonna do cept for shootin the heck out of it!!Sorry these pics are horizontal,bad camera work!! This pic is showin all her slender curves
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-003S.jpg)

Now for some details......................
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-004S.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-002S.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-001S.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-005S.jpg)
Now then,I hate the black limbs, they show up terribly when huntin and after all,that is the reason I make bows,right? So--I'M GONNA PAINT HER!!!
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 11:22:00 AM
Well,the sun is shinin,almost 13 degrees,may have to try to warm the shop up!!  :biglaugh:
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Post by: BUCK-EYE on January 01, 2008, 11:22:00 AM
Great pic`s Ken. The weather here is the same. I`m doing a longbow, and today is a good day to get alot done on it.  :thumbsup:  Keep up with the pic`s. Don
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Post by: Osagetree on January 01, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
The osage one the back makes the bow, IMHO!

Don't paint the osage!!!!
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 01, 2008, 11:54:00 AM
Good stuff Kenny!....i'm getting a pretty good pile of bow forms stacking up myself... i'm going to try and design a air form you can put "inserts" into your form to alter reflex /deflex and optional risers. this is for those seriously addicted bow builders who just aren't willing to let "well enough alone" if you get my drift.... Here is a photo of a hybrid form i used with an insert to build a youth bow.
This is what gave me the idea.....I mean really....how many bow forms does a guy need? I've got 4 pairs in my first year and am building more again... (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Denver-bowbuilding031.jpg)

You have to look closely to see the bow in the form and the insert i used around the tiny black walnut riser. the form was designed for the hybrid standing in front....this is the bow that was still in the clamps below
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/bowbuilding008.jpg)


Didn't mean to hijack your tread bro....i just wanted to share something along the same line...Kirk
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 12:27:00 PM
Good idea Kirk,seems like the Bingham recurve form had a deal similar to that. Hadn't thought anymore about it really. Now you've done it,I'm thinkin again..........
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 01, 2008, 12:37:00 PM
I'll keep you in the loop here bro....i want a tad bit more reflex to my limbs on this next hybrid i do....LOL....Yours came out with too much, & mine came out without enough....You are right....this can get spendy!!!!!  :scared:    :scared:  

so i'll save some space, and a little plywood costs this way....i'm sure disappointed in the clear glass quality I've got from Binghams. i love the looks of the wood in these bows and don't much care for the black glass...but its definitely cheaper to work with....Mike Miller was telling me the black glass is a tad bit faster too...????? is that the same as "Red cars go faster"???? is he pulling my leg here? or what?
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Post by: Chisler on January 01, 2008, 12:58:00 PM
Thanks for showing how you do it Kenny. Luckily I'm learning more from tradgang than I am from my mistakes.  Love those "build alongs".
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Post by: Arrowslinger on January 01, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
Looking good Kenny.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: jesse cales on January 01, 2008, 02:49:00 PM
great job kenny!
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Heres what I did to her,don't hate me ,but it is a huntin bow! Painted just the glass with textured enamel(really is sorta coyote colored),the flash sorta overpowered the color. Was gonna camo paint it but stopped here for now. (OT,we're on the same page on the osage  here!)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-004SLargeWebviewlastbowpic2.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/MVC-006SLargeWebviewlastbowpic.jpg)

Here she is ready to hunt,camo complete,B50 string,62" ntn,57# @28" , 507.5 grn arra-175 fps

No speed demon,but not too bad either!

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/camobow98X1200.jpg)
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Post by: SOS on January 01, 2008, 04:57:00 PM
Ya didn't have to paint her!  I only got busted twice drawing with El Cheapo's black limbs.  Killed four deer and screwed up two other shots (tried to shoot back to my left while seated).  Last two deer were the week before Christmas - no leaves on the trees....black didn't seem to be a problem.
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Post by: SOS on January 01, 2008, 05:02:00 PM
By the way, helluva job making the form and completing the bow in 5 hours....LOL!
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Post by: kennym on January 01, 2008, 05:10:00 PM
Jeff,how ya been? How'd the bow lams work out for ya? I still haven't used the boo ya sent!!

Steve,I hadda paint her!! I have a couple does where I hunt that I swear are huntin me!!They actively search for me high and low!

On the 5 hrs,it was more like a couple weeks on the bow,just took 5 hours to type it!!! LOL
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Post by: Over&Under on January 01, 2008, 06:10:00 PM
Dang!!  I bet its real cool, but all I see is little red x's

Was really looking forward to this one...
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Post by: Wulomac on January 01, 2008, 06:18:00 PM
Great pics and info.  Thanks for the inFORMation!
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Post by: kennym on January 02, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
I wish I knew about the little red x's Jacob,maybe someone can tell us why that happens..........computers..  :banghead:
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 02, 2008, 07:45:00 PM
Hey Kenny,

Ya wanna swap some patterns and try and save some plywood and glass? LOL! I've also got just about every plan Bingham Projects has out if ya wanna do some horse trading....

Kirk
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Post by: Shaun on January 02, 2008, 08:33:00 PM
Nice job Kenny. 13 degrees? That's where all the degrees are - down in MO. We don't have any up here in Iowa. Nice build along.
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Post by: kennym on January 02, 2008, 09:54:00 PM
Kirk,I don't have any on paper cept a couple old Binghams,but I'll look to see what I've got to trace for ya if ya want.
I'm sure I've got this form still(I give stuff away too much sometimes!)   :)  

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/100_036723ydsMediumWebview.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d34/kennym/Project305buckMediumWebview.jpg)


I feel for ya Shaun!-2 here this AM Got clear up to bout 15 tho,32 tomorrow!!  :pray:
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Post by: Arrowslinger on January 02, 2008, 10:52:00 PM
Kenny,
I have not got to use the lams yet.  Been really busy at work.  I have plans to work on a bow soon.  I like your how to on building a form.  The form is a lot harder to get right than it is to build the bow.
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Post by: IAOUTDOORSMAN on January 03, 2008, 12:17:00 AM
I have been doing research on making laminated bows.  I plan on making my first soon.  You have given me a few new ideas.  Great post and beautiful bow.  Thanks.
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Post by: ChuckC on January 03, 2008, 09:02:00 AM
Good job Kenny
ChuckC
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Post by: Bob T. on January 03, 2008, 02:54:00 PM
Jacob, About all I know About the little red x's is, if you right click on them and then right click on "show picture", the picture should show up. Hope it works for you.
Bob T.
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Post by: Osagetree on January 03, 2008, 04:38:00 PM
I may be wrong and usually am... but sometimes the red X is what is left after a IMG has been deleted from a pic host site.

Then again,,, if you'd just hook up your xp-2000 modulator.......  :smileystooges:
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Post by: kennym on January 03, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
Thanks guys

Clint,I'm not a long ways from Chariton,bout 90 miles. You ever make it to the 3d shoots at Princeton,Mo?
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Post by: onemississipp on April 02, 2008, 07:46:00 PM
You guys ever try Googles Sketchup to layout bows?

You can even print it to scale..Then pattern swaps could be done through email!
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Post by: bowdude on April 02, 2008, 08:57:00 PM
Great job!  Just a tip on the form building to save time.  Instead of layering the plywood yourself you can buy "microlam" (it may have other names by now) from most larger lumber yards.  It comes in a couple thicknesses.  If I remember right the 1 7/8 is what I would buy to build recurves.  I think they were 10 to 14 inches in width by what ever length you wanted up to about 30 feet!  They sold it by the foot.  Just tell them it has to be straight or pick it out yorself if you can.  It is layered plywood for header beams etc in buildings.
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Post by: EASTERNARCHER on April 02, 2008, 09:44:00 PM
Gee that's a nice bow Kenny....I'll take it! Thanks