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Topic Archives => Build Alongs => Topic started by: wolfcoach on November 28, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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I am currently building two takedown recurves with students in my shop class. We have done this a couple of times before and many students really seem to enjoy the process. I am going to post a few pics and will continue to update until we are finished.
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Riser block that has been rough cut - Shedua, Osage and Pao Ferro.
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Limb materials all laid out and ready to go. Boacote limbs under clear glass with an osage wedge.
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My student applying glue to the laminations and getting ready for the lay up.
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Applying the last bit of glue to the wedge and getting ready to go to the form.
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Putting the limb in the form.
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All laminations taped down and ready for the pressure strip and hose.
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Everything in the form and ready to put the air to it.
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My student placing the limb in our heat box and leaving it for the afternoon. The other limb will go in tomorrow.
I'll keep this updated everyday. This is such a great project for my students. We live in a very whitetail rich area of Illinois and everyone of my kids bowhunts. Hopefully, many will be using traditional equipment next season.
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That is awesome! It's great to see a public high school that still has enough common sense to allow such things to be built on the property.
I still remember when we did gun-refinishing here in central Michigan in the late 80's, including re-bluing and stock re-finish.
In most towns nowadays, some lawyer or insurance company would have a screaming fit over a "weapon" being built in school.
Are you using a pre-made jig to square up for the holes for the riser inserts, or some other method?
Awesome tutorial, and thank you for sharing!!
Marc
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insttech1,
We are using a jig that I purchased from Bingham's to drill the holes in the riser blank and the limbs. It is a very simple process.
Thanks for the cudos. It is awesome that our administration and school board has the insight to see the value in such a project and allow us to build bows in shop class. My principal has aksed me today if he bought the materials could I have a student build him a takedown. Now that is awesome.
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I wish I could go back to High School with yall good luck! marco#78
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Afternoon Update
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Removing the limb from the heat box after 4 hours
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Letting the limb cool to room tempature. It will come out of the form at the end of the day.
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Working on the riser while the limb is cooling. Riser work takes a while with only a rasp and sandpaper to do the job. As a precaution, I do not let them use a belt sander or drum sander on the riser. It has been my experience that it is too easy to take off too much wood before you realize that you have gone to far. Therefore, a rasp and file is the safest way to go.
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Wolfcoach:
I thought we had it good in "Southern" IL. Sounds like you W. Central folks have it OK except ya all are kinda close to "Blo-go-vich and his henchmen.... LOL
Good deal. Keep em building............
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** Morning Update **
My student came in early htis morning to remove his limb from the form. Here are some pics. I will have another update this afternoon after class.
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Removing the limb blank from the form. We left it in the form overnight just to make sure that the glue had set completely.
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Removing the tape and Saran wrap from the limb blank, along with some of the excess glue that had oozed out of the limb.
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A finished limb blank fresh from the form. Next step is to lay up the other limb, clean the rest of the excess glue from the blanks and get ready to cut them to shape.
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Great post. When I was in grade school in the 1970s we made one piece bows from semi-finished kits. I have often wondered whether kids these days had that same opportunity. I still shoot the bow I made way back then and every time I look at that bow it brings back fond memories.It shoots great, by the way. Please keep up the good work.
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Man that is just too cool :bigsmyl:
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Hey coach the pics are great what kind of camera are you using to take these great pics??? keep em coming..mark#78
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Bayoulongbowman,
Thanks for the recognition of my students work. He is doing a great job with this project and is very excited. However, his excitement has not caused him to rush as so often we do. I am very pleased with his progress.
You asked bout my camera. It is a Canon PowerShot G3. I will keep the pics coming.
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Sanding the excess glue from the limb blank.
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All of the glue must be sanded from the limb before the limb can be cut to the proper shape.
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Cutting off excess length of the limb blank. Getting ready to cut the limb to it's prper shape.
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Cutting the limb tips to the roper taper. We use a template made from thin plexi glass to layout the limb shape on the bow blank. Cutting is always done on the waste side of the line and the rest can be sanded to finish.
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Sanding down to the finish line on the limb tip.
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Sanding down the limb to ensure a smooth and even taper of the limb on both sides.
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Aligning the limb bolt jig and preparing to drill the holes for the limb hardware. This must be done in a very precise manner. Everything must be lied up properly to match the riser.
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Awesome post!!!
I wish I could have done that in shop class.
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Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! I want to join you shop class.
That is my next big project, make a takedown bow.
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This is an outstanding Post! Thanks for sharing and thanks for teaching our youth. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Outstanding!!!
This just goes to show how different things are across Illinois. When I was in high school I was allowed to bring in my bow (complete with broadhead-tipped arrows) for a speach on bowhunting. That same school now suspends students for bringing fingernail clippers to class.
If you were to try that project up here in the Chicago suburbs I guarantee there'd be about fifty hysterical parents complaining about "making weapons in school". Thank God there's still some common sense left in your part of the state.
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Ron
Great post. We just got a new principal this year so I am going to see what he thinks about my kids building bows in class next semester, although ours will have to be self bows. The last principal was okay with it but I have yet to ask the new fella. Thanks for sharing with us and paving the way for the next generation.
Cody
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One of the best new posts I have seen. It is great to see the kids so involved in such a discipline. Great job with the post and please keep those pics coming...My hat goes off to ya!
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sweet :bigsmyl:
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I love your build a long, as well as what you're doing with the kids. I needed a shop teacher like you.
Thanks,
Brad
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Very cool. Thanks for posting this. :thumbsup:
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Good on ya! And those in your administration that allow this!! Please pass that on.
You should take this "on the road". Want a job in OK? Better yet, got an opening in your school? I could work for you!
I'm not sure we could get this in our schools, but we could get it into our Scouting program. Would you have more detail by chance? Material list, step-by-step "how to" checklist, etc., more safety considerations for the kids, jig info., etc.
Dingus
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Super cool and way to go Coach, might have paid more attention in shop class had you been the teacher!!!
I give it 2 thumbs up....WAYYYY up. BD
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Please let your student know we're really enjoying this and can't wait to see the finished product.
Also please congratulate your principal and school admin - my hat's off to them for following common sense and supporting you.
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What the Doc said. I am going to show this to my hunting partner...who is also a 20 year H.S. woods teacher and a traditional hunter.
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:thumbsup: :notworthy:
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Excellent. Following with interest. Have never seen the process for a laminated bow. Interesting stuff and glad to see that you are bringing kids along.
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Great Job!! Our shop class is also working on building bows following the Fred Bear and Bear Archery display I did back in Sept/Oct for our H.S Library. I saw UPS delivering the boxes from Bingham a couple of weeks ago. I'm going to check today in the library and see if the books I donated are seeing any action. It is good to be from a "common sense" based area! CKruse
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Outstanding! It's good to see this in public schools, any schools for that matter. A big THANK YOU to you and the school administration for doing this.
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very cool buildalong
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** Wednesday Update **
Today, we got all set up and laminated the second limb for my students takedown. Here are some pics.
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Covering the outside of the glass with painter's tape to protect the finish and measuring and marking a centerline on each piece of glass. This is done to ensure that the limb bolts are installed properly.
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Putting all of the laminations in the heat box for an hour to get them ready to laminate.
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Applying the Smooth-On epoxy to the the laminations.
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Laying up the laminations in the proper order. We have used two pieces of glass, 1 tapered lamination and a parallel laminations with a wedge. You must be careful and make sure that you lay these up in the correct order.
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The second limb fresh out of the heat box. We wil let it cool to room tempature before we remove the pressure from the hose and take it out of the form.
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Probably not going to be anymore pics for the day. It is a gourgeous day here in West Central Illinois with very little wind and gun season coming in tomorrow. Therefore, I am heading to the treestand right after school for a couple of hours. We are not allowed to bowhunt during gun season and I will go nuts if I don't hunt for 5 days straight. It should be a great day to be in the woods.
I will have another update tomorrow.
Ron
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** Thursday Update **
Second Limb out of the mold
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Second limb coming out of the mold.
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Sanding the excess glue from the limb blank.
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Drawing the shape of the limb on the blank. Next step, to the band saw.
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Cutting the limb to shape on the bandsaw.
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Both limbs are cut to shape and waiting to be drilled and installed on the riser.
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** Thursday Update 2 **
Limb locking Hardware Installed.
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Tapping the riser to accept the threaded insert that will be used to bolt the limbs to the riser. The riser is drilled with a 27/64 bit and then the wood is threaded to accept the insert. A small amount of epoxy is used to hold the insert in the riser.
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Installing the threaded insert into the riser.
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Using a mallet to install the index in into the riser. The index pin is also glued into the riser using epoxy.
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A photo of the limb locking hardware after it has been installed in the riser. The riser is still in a pretty rough stage and will require alot of rasping and sanding before it is finished. We will soon be installing the limbs and begin the process of tillering the bow.
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My student is hoping to have this bow finished by Christmas break. He is looking forward to having a few days free to get out in the woods and do some stump shooting.
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Thank you all so much for the encouraging comments and support that you have shown this young man and his project. He is checking the website every morning to see what you all have to say about his previous day's work. Again, Thanks!
Ron Edwards
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Great work Ron! I'm really enjoying this! I wish my shop classes were this informative. We only took shop class 'cause it was a blow-off class in our school. Keep them coming!
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Very interesting build along, hope you will show us the finished product also. Bue--.
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Great stuff! I am really enjoying this thread.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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What is the bow length and poundage are you building?
That is going to be a sweet looking bow :cool:
Looking forward to seeing more updates.
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I'm Sorry. I should have included this information in the beginning of the post. Somehow I just left it out. We are building a 58" takedown and are shooting for 50# @ 28.
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Awesome!! A few years ago when I was a senior in high school I asked if I could build a selfbow. They let me do it, but I had to sign a waiver. Just tells you which way schools are moving. Pretty soon they won't even let students bring scissors into class. This project is great. Thanks for sharing it with us. Oh, by the way, you should warn your student that this bowbuilding thing can get addicting. God bless, Matt
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For the student building the bow, congrats on a great project to undertake. Do it right to the end and you will have a bow to be proud of.
To Ron, congrats on a great job with the bows and the students. The students will have something to be proud of for years.
As I look back at my "Industrial Arts" teaching days, I wish I had this on my list of projects. These will be keepsakes for the kids in the future and you will have added to the trad shooters in your area.
Again, congrats to all involved.
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TTT looking forward to more updates soon.
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Wolfcoach,
Great looking bow. Makes me proud to see someone spending that much time and effert with the young shooters.
Now,,,, I'm not trying to dump on your time in the spot light or anything but, don't you think you jumped the gun just a tad by roughing out the rider before bedding (mating limbs to riser) and tillering the limbs?
Bingham instructions shows bedding the limbs to the riser then desiding which will be top and bottom limb by the tiller...
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very enlightning post and following you to the finish line....Mac~
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ttt
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We're waiting coach.
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Sorry guys, I haven't gotten a chance to do any updates lately. We are in a pretty slow period of the build. Lots of rasping and sanding. Very little change or any thing to report. I think we are going to install the limbs maybe in the morning for the first time. I will get some pics up soon. Sorry.
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lookin great :thumbsup:
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Hey Wolf,what kinda arras is he gonna shoot?I've got a bunch of woodies(raw shafts,nother project?) in the 40-50# range ,I think.If you guys want em let me know and I'll send em your way.Good job helpin youngsters start off right!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Finally, some pics to update the thread with. Progress has been slow the last couple of days, but finally we have something for you. Here we go:
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Riser work. Starting to actually take shape in the grip area.
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Drilling the limb for limb bolts.
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Removing the tape to reveal the beautiful grain of the Bocote.
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Limbs installed on the riser.
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Close up of the riser and limbs. Things are starting to move a little faster for now. We can get the bow past the rough stage and get ready to cut string nocks and hopefully get a string on it on Monday or Tuesday. Thanks for sticking with us.
Ron
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Man it's going to be a dandy. Yellows oranges and browns (fall colors) are my favorites. That riser is beautiful! Nicely shaped too :thumbsup:
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Is he gonna get an A?
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Rangeball,
Yes I think he is probably going to get an A. He has worked extremely hard on this and is doing a great job.
I also thought I would add some pics of the second bow that we are building in the shop. I am helping a former student build this bow in the evenings and weekends.
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Osage limbs - Shedua Wedges. Osage & Pao Ferro riser.
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If you guys dont quit I going to have to order from Binghams.I already have the TD recurve video. Very nice bows, these guys should be proud of them and what they have learned. Good job. Might make themselves a nice little partime or fulltime business to.
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do you allow 31 year old married men with 2 kids sign up for your h.s. shop class???!!!
That is wonderful that you can share your skill is such a way with teenagers.
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Did you use 2" or 1 3/4" glass on these? Also was that another project bow laying under the table on the shelf in the picture?.
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Doug,
We used 1 3/4" glass on both of these. I like the thinner limb. I am sure that it is all personal preference though. Yes, that is another bow under the table. It is one that was made by someone else that I know and he never finished it. He has given it to me to finish. I have been playing with it off and on.
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Great work! Keep it up and thanks for sharing.
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Those are two beautiful bows. That young man is very forutnate to have a teachers who has the knowledge to teach him how to build such a beautiful bow. He is also a talented young man. Good to see him using those talents on such a beautiful and useful piece of work.
John
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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That thing is coming along really well. Looks to be an a-1 job. :thumbsup:
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I would like to share with all of you a tremendous act of kindness that I received today. KennyM, a TradGang member asked me the other day if my student had any arrows. I told him no and he offered to send "some" shafts.
Today, i received a box in the mail and it included SIX DOZEN POC shafts, nocks and feathers. I was blown away. I really did not expect that kind of generousity. Kenny has went out of his way to enhance the experience that this young man is having with this project. Thanks Kenny. That was a great act of kindness.
Ron Edwards
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Ron, the generosity of people on this site never sease to amaze me. Man, those are some Pretty bows, nice work all around. :thumbsup:
Way ta go Kenny!!!
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What we are all here for giving to each other. Be it gear or experence or a story. Trad guys and gals are the greatest.
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Glad ta help out Ron!
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VERY nice gesture Kenny - I'm sure it will make this young man's experience that much sweeter.
I hope he know how much we've enjoyed this.
Ron, please let him know we'd love to have him join TradGang if he's interested...
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I was thinking the same thing Woodsong...
Actually, I was thinking it would be awesome if there were some sort of program to do the same project evenings, weekends, whatever for a few old dogs who'd like to learn new tricks but don't have the shop/equipment/tutelage to make it happen....
I'll have to look into it in my area (as if I don't have enough projects already.... :rolleyes: )
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gee i wish i had ateacher like you. We dont have shop and to think of making a bow in school would be a sin to most of the schol officials.
Any way keep teaching it its people like you who will carry on the sport and art.
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Ya, I'll agree with everyone above and keep up the great work!
BR
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Hate to say it but this posts kinda makes me wanna go back to school.
Great post, and a great job by your students. I wish I had a mentor at that age that could have passed on the bowyer knowledge to me. Keep up the great work, and the great pics.
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Wolfcoach, I am an amature woodworker and new to traditioanl archery. I'm fortunate enough to have a full woodworking shop. I'm interested in making a bow like the one in this great thread. Can you recommend a book and or video for me to learn from? Maybe by the time my son is ready for high school I can get a project like yours going at his school. Is the Bowyers Bible the best books or are there better resources out there?
Also, you should consider putting this thread in an instructional format. We should all then download it and distribute it to out local high school shop classes.
Thanks
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NEArcher,
I would recommend the Bingham Plans and video. That is where I started and many other people on this site. I have changed my design just a little from Bingham's but it is basically the same. Thay are extremely helpful people and will guide you through the whole process. www.binghamprojects.com. (http://www.binghamprojects.com.) If there is anything that I can do to help you out let me know.
Ron
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TTT for more updates :>)
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Updates are coming later today. Sorry it has taken so long
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Sorry it has been so long since my last update. Things have kind of slowed down for us on the bow. He is down to sanding and starting to get close to stringing the bow for the first time. I hope to be doing this tomorrow.
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Sanding on the riser to remove rasp marks.
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A look at the profile of the riser. It is really taking shape and has some nice lines.
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Glueing on limb tips.
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Limb tips glued and clamped. Waiting for the epoxy to cure and then we will cut string nocks and put on a string.
Check back tomorrow for pics of the bow strung.
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That riser is looking good.
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We have finally gotten the string nocks cut and put a string on my students bow for the first time today. He was very happy with the bow and is very excited about shoting it. However, he still has some sanding to do and needs to put a finsih on the bow. Here are a couple of pics.
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The bow with string nocks cut and waiting for a string.
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My student looking at his hard earned piece of craftsmanship.
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Drawing the bow for the first time. What a great feeling of accomplishment.
More updates to come soon.. However, we only have one more day before Christmas break. Hopefully, I will be able to get him in over vacation and finish the bow.
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That is awesome Ron, can't wait to see it with some finish, nice work, both of ya's :thumbsup:
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very nice.
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Anymore updates????
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Yeah, I was looking forward to seeing it too.
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i took shop all though school we weren't allowed to use any tools. i hope they know how lucky they are. keep up the great work!!!!!!!