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Topic Archives => Build Alongs => Topic started by: Dano on July 23, 2005, 05:38:00 PM
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Let me just start out here and tell ya's I ain't much good at this, and I don't even wanna start beatin knives out of red hot steel (well maybe someday) But maybe I can help someboy else get hooked makin these babies. :D
I start out with a template I made out of poster board, knife and scale.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong001.jpg)
Trace it out rough with a sharpie.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong002.jpg)
Then cut it out with a 4" grinder.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong.jpg)
Then grind it to shape with my bench grinder.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong003.jpg)
That's all for today, tomorrow I'll do a little more work on her. Unless I feel rambunctious after dinner :bigsmyl:
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Oh Yeah!...(scoots chair a lil closer)...
Sparky
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what material and thickness is the metal sheet?
Where do you get it?
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I tried a snuff can. It didn't work. Ya know,they make 'em outta cardboard now!
Killdeer
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Dano let me know when ya want my address? ;) <><
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Love that design! Can't wait to see the rest! I just got back from OK and found some more railroad spikes which i hope to turn into knives. I also got to participate in a cornstalk shoot with the Cherokee Cornstalk Shoot Society while there and saw some nice bows. Two of our shooters were up at Mojam I heard. Keep it coming!
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Yeah, what are you cutting up for knife material and are we going to retemper it later? What is the little cardboard cutout...handle material pattern?
This is really what I need, another time consuming hobby. May have to pull the plug and retire if I get any more.
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Man this is gonna be good... I'm sitting up here close with Sparky watching this one.. Heck My wife might even let me buid one of these as long as I dont have to sharpen it later..
James ( i don't even get to play with butter knives) Young
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This is some junk stainless I found, .050 thick. Once I get the handle cut out and drill the holes in the blank, I'll temper the blade.
:bigsmyl: An old snuff can might work Killie.
James it might be a good idea if you don't play with sharp tools. :rolleyes: :D
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How do you keep a Tradganger in Suspense? Have Dano Start a Build Along. Come on Dano, keep this thing going so I can start one tomorrow!!!! :saywhat:
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Ok dumb question here but how do you temper the blade? What purpose does it do?
Sparky move over your hoggin the screen. :bigsmyl:
James Young
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Alllrighty.... I wish i had a hunk to try and keep up,so I could ask mt dumb questions at an appropriate time... don't worry, they'll come later Dano... as they said way back when, "the only dumb question is the one not asked... then when I asked it, they retracted and ammended, "there is no dumb question, except the one not asked, and that one recruit..."
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BTW Dano? Where are ya, isnt this one live?
Just kidding, cool design. I cant wait to see her. Maybe you can send her my way so's i can test her for ya's.
Jeff
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:D :D :D
Thanks, Dano...!!!
-Frank B
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Those are some cool little knives, I saw a couple of them at Mojam.
Hey Dano, do you think this can be done with bandsaw blade material? I picked some up at mojam.
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You're doin' good fer folks here, Dano. I started out lettin' my Dano Caper watch (for old times sake) but the nostalgia got to 'im and he started gettin' "misty" so I had to put him back on the shelf with my other knifes. :D
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:bigsmyl: Thanks Bernie, now put the knife up. :rolleyes:
Band saw material works great too, just takes a lot of work to polish up. Stainless is awefull hard, but what a pretty blade it makes. If you can find an old circular saw blade that doesn't have carbide tips they work great.
James just pay attention I'll get to the temper in a bit. :D
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Nice build-a-long buddy.I may even have to try it.LOL.Don't s'pose you know the grade of stainless? :bigsmyl:
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OK, I got the edge beveled and the blade roughly polished. Ready to make the handle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/c787a3db.jpg)
I got a box of wood scraps a friend gave me, so don't ask what kinda wood it is :knothead: I couldn't tell ya :D I trace the pattern out then rough cut them on my scroll saw,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/f8b4ed5d.jpg)
Then use double stick carpet tape to match them together, then sand them to the line on a spindle sander.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/3d8749df.jpg)
Drill a couple of holes and counter sink the outside holes to accept the brass pins.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/b6a4c91d.jpg)
Next comes the hardening, then the tempering.
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See Dano, I knew that there would be alot of interest.
I'm watching and waiting. Got some stainless, too!
-Terry
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Hey Sparky wake up... Dano's posting pics and its getting good ....
Keep it up Dano this is real cool..
James Young
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Hey Dano,
Is that a splotch of blood on the table by the pic of the blade after its been beveled? COOL. This is my kinda a build along.. make something sharp and test it on yourself.. :smileystooges:
James Young
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:knothead: :D
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Great job Dano...James...step away from the knife...very slowly. And scoot over a little will ya...
Sparky
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Old carpenter saying, "I'm not good, but I'm slow." Nice work so far, keep it up.
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Great Thread Dano...... Did you do the polishing by hand??... Terry
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Thanks Terry, I used emery cloth in different grits then 400 grit paper, then I'll put it on the buffing wheel when done.
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Those are way too purty to sharpen with a 10" mill bastard file like I do (use the same file for knife and trade points :D ). Band saw blades are great for that Sal ;)
Really nice build along Dano :thumbsup: hope they archive it
BTW have you tried cutting the knives out with a dremel tool and fibre reinforced cut off wheel? Seems like it would be easier and cleaner than with that angle grinder.
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Nice, Dano. Thanks for sharing. Jawge
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Dano I like your work schudle on the build along, it gives you plenty of time for refreshments. ;)
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cool build along dano...knife looks great sofar.
one word of caution to others, if you are unsure about the steel and heat-treating, DO LIKE DANO DID, and ask someone with a little experience. queching steel too quickly can ruin hours of hard work and even be dangerous (can violently rip itself apart).
there is a ton of old steel out there waiting to be recycled. lawnmower blades do work, bed frames as lance said, hay rake teeth, car springs, tie rods, old bumper jack handles, etc.
c'mon dano...you already got the torch, why not make a simple one brick forge and try hammering? :)
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Dano, great build along, good pics and directions, this here is a keeper. Got just about everything I need to try this, except talent. :-)
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One of these days Marc, when I can devote more time to it. :knothead: :D
In this heat ya gotta drink plenty of lemonade Texoma. :D
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Dano
Very cool brother!!!
My brother and the boys say hello!!!
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Thanks Steve, tell them all hey for me. :wavey:
OK, I thought why let it cool overnite, it ain't getting any cooler around here
So I cut some pins from 1/8" brass rod, a 1/4" over the width of the knife handle.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong009.jpg)
Then peen the pins over on one side,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong011.jpg)
turn her over and do the other. Then I touch the sides of the handle to my disk sander to even up the pins
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong010.jpg)
Now it's ready to shape and finish the handle
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong013.jpg)
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Dano the way you make this stuff look so easy always amazes me
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Well, thank you Luke. My digital camera does wonders ;)
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oh stop being modest ;) :D
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Wait... hold up for a minute [please]. :)
Dano... can you explain how you peen the pins? How do you keep the pins even on both sides?
Thanks.
-Frank B
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Dano, It's so a amazing how a man can stumble around a 3D course,clumsily,leaving a blood trail,and turn around a show such fine craftsmanship? :confused:
juz kiddin there butt pipes!
Cool stuff!
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Thanks TimO, Oh butt pipe master :bigsmyl:
Frank, I start with the pins flush on the bottom of the handle, peen over one side, then tap it flush with the handle, turn it over and peen the other side. Remember I'm leaving an 1/8" of pin on each side to peen. I hope this explains the process.
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Got it! 1/4"... 1/8 each side. Thank you!
'Nuther question: When ya drill the holes for the pins... are they 1/8" holes, as well. I wasn't sure "how much" slack the pins would take up after the peening process.
Dumb question... sorry.. last one [maybe], I promise. :)
Frank B :)
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Frank, I drill the blade 1/8" as well, but I countersink the handle wood to accept the peening. I think this helps in keeping the wood from spliting while your beating on it :D
Your welcome Mike, I look forward to seeing your work.
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Nice build along Dano. :thumbsup:
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Thanks Shane, so did you find anything else in your tent? :bigsmyl:
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LOL, nope. If anything else is in there it will have to stay put till Sept.
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:bigsmyl: Till Sept. huh?
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Very nice work buddy.
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Great job Dano ole buddy.You make it look so easy that I almost feel like I can do it. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Thanks Dano...I enjoyed this very much..
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Thanks Dano, always enjoy reading this build-a-longs. Great Job :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Beautiful works Dano
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Yep, Now I can try one.
Up Next,...Sheath build-along, right Dano?
:bigsmyl:
-Terry
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I made my cardboard templates this morning--two different ones. Thanks for the details. Larry
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Nice work, Dano. Can't wait to see the finished product...but I guess I'll have to.
I have added scales to a few pre-made blades. If I may add a bit of info...when peening the rivets, be sure to hit them straight down on to a hard surface. The purpose is to expand the brass(down through the scales and blade) and not bend them. As they expand, they hold the shank and the scale.
On a few osage(old and hard, but brittle) scales I made, I found small cracks at the rivets. From now on I will make the holes in the scales a bit larger to accept the expanding rivet.
Thanks for this great build-a-long! Pat
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Great info Pat, That's the reason I counter sink the holes in the scales to allow for expansion of the pins. I'll post the finished knife before I start on the sheath, hold your horses Terry :rolleyes: :D
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Dano,
Great build along, especially for us who don't have a place to put a forge.
I can't wait for the finished product!
BTW You do have my address, if not I'll email it to you!!
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Nice build-a-long Dano.
I've done basicly the same way. Ya might try drilling outside the lines of your blade pattern and cutting the scrap away with a hack saw and dressing up the edges at the bench grinder or a big nasty file if you dont have any kind of grinder. I have a drill press and I just go around the edges with the holes just barely touching. With some practice the scrap just falls away and the bench grinder smoothes it all down to the line.
Just a thought in case someone dont have all the tools.
No, I will not fire up the forge when its over 100 degrees!!!
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Saweet! Have I ever told you how much I love my Dano knife :)
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Dano
I like em !!!!! .......... I'll hafta stop by yer house sometime and see fer myself !!!!
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Dano,
Are the pins the only thing holding the handle to the blade? As a master of overkill, I usually epoxy everything together. Actually, I will drill extra holes in the handle so the epoxy actually goes thru and ties the two sides together.
Nice knife.
Carl
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Rick, come on by any time, I have one I made for a while back that I was going to give ya Cloverdale.
Carl, I know alot of guys use nothing but epoxy to hold the pins and scales on, but I like peening them over, as long as the handle doen't get too much abuse it should hold up fine.
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I like to use a 8-10 oz. leather like a Litigo or tooling leather. Layout my patern with my posterboard again. A pair of scissors works fine to cut it out.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/4d09cd18.jpg)
Next cut the welt to fit the outside edge of the sheath.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/e11aa447.jpg)
Then cut the inside, useing the knife as the pattern so you get a nice tight fit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/c79e8a32.jpg)
Notice I left a little extra behind the blade to hold the knife in the sheath a little better.
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I like to use these little paper clips to hold it together to check the fit.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong016.jpg)
Then rivet the belt loop on, it's easier at this point.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/c7179c02.jpg)
Next I'll use contact cement to glue the sheath together before I apply the rivets.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/966b344b.jpg)
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:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
You are the man, Mr, Dano! Thank you!
Frank B
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Punch holes, and apply rivets
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/bad469b8.jpg)
And the finished knife
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/dlgren/Archery/Knives/caperalong022.jpg)
I hope you've gained something from this build along, I know there are better ways to do alot of this, but this just happens to be my way. I do appreciate your helpfull tips.
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Thanks for sharing, Dano-- where do you get your rivets and copper rods? Larry
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Dano that was so cool I bet it drops the temp up there several deg.
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Your welcome Larry, the brass rod I got at Ace hardware, and the leather goods and hardware i get from this place. http://www.eleathersupply.com/
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Texoma you musta seen the weather forcast for up here :D It's supposed to cool off to the 80's tommorow
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BTW, here's a link to a great knife sheath tutorial.
http://www.knivesby.com/dan-sheath-tutor-1.html
This site is pretty cool too.
http://www.knivesby.com/knifemaking.html
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dang dano, what don't you do?!?!? :notworthy:
very cool indeed. i'm gonna hafta start whoopin-up some trade stock.....LOL
nice job,
dave
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I believe this belongs over in the HOW TO section. Nice one Dano!
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Nice presentation Dano :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys.
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Very nicely done!
My hobby list just keeps getting loooonnnnggggeeeeerrrrr!
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Real nice job buddy!...hey did I ever show you my knife Dano made me! :knothead:
Awesome "tute" and VERY good pics...
Sparky (the price just went up on Dano's knives)
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Here's mine...eat ya heart out gents. This here is gonna skin me a guuden this year!
(http://www.angelfire.com/sk/myplace/imagesroger/My_Dano_Knife1.jpg)
Sparky
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Dano...you make things like this look too easy bud.Never even thought about making a knife until now!!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Dano, Absolutley awesome work.. thanks for the buildalong..
James Young
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Dano,
Very nice project. And since I don't think anyone mentioned it, your handle wood is bubinga.
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Nice!!!
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Thanks Jason, I just can't seem to keep these exotic woods straight. :rolleyes:
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Dano,That is sweet. You Da Man :notworthy:
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You may not be able to keep those woods straight, Dano but you sure can keep 'em purty!
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Great buildalong Dano,thanks.
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Wow, heck of a job Dano!!! You made it look so easy, I gotta try this!!! I am sure I will fair not as well and I am sure my admiration for your abilities will only increase as well!!!
Thanks, I am gonna try and have fun with this and get me a new skinner by the seaason opener!!!
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Great job Dano: I have one in the oven right now , you make it look so easy . Again great work Thanks for shareing Drew