Trad Gang

Topic Archives => Build Alongs => Topic started by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 23, 2006, 08:21:00 PM

Title: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 23, 2006, 08:21:00 PM
Anatomy of a Carp Bow

Since I was in need of a new recurve for bowfishing, which is as good a reason as any when you’re justifying a new bow, I decided to grab my camera and try my hand at a build-a-long. I’m sure some of the more seasoned bowyers here have better ways of doing thing than what I’ve shown here, so please feel free to speak up. I’m always looking for a better way to do things.

You’ll notice that I’m not wearing eye, ear or breathing protection in any of the photos. Those things were removed for the photos only, since working a camera with all that stuff on is a royal pain in the rear. Always wear proper protection when doing woodworking. Now then…

We’ll start with the limbs. I want this bow 62” long and pulling just short of 60# at my 32” draw length. For that combination of length and weight I’ll use .040 clear fiberglass and a core consisting of two actionboo laminations, one .060 parallel and a .100 thick .002/inch taper. And since I don’t like the light color of natural actionboo, I stain my laminations with Minwax.

All limb materials are properly cleaned and laid out in the order they’ll be glued together. From bottom to top…glass, taper, wedge, parallel, glass.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0027.jpg)

Once the pieces are glued and stacked on top of each other, they’re put in the form.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0042.jpg)

The top of the form is bolted down and the fire hose is inflated to 70 psi. After 8 hours in the hotbox at 180 degrees, the limb will be properly cured.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0070.jpg)

Once the limb has cooled to room temperature, it’s removed from the press. The glue that’s squeezed out during the lamination process is very sharp. Be careless here and you’ll get cut quick and deep (been there, done that, ruined the t-shirt). Thick leather gloves are a must

The limb profile is traced from a template. A beltsander is used to reduce the limbs to proper dimensions.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0082.jpg)

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0102.jpg)
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 23, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
Now we’ll move on to the riser block. For this bow I decided to use a combination of cocobolo and bubinga with purpleheart and maple accent stripes.

Grinding accent stripes isn’t too difficult with a drill press, sanding drum and a simple jig. I also thin down my pieces for overlays with this grinding system.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_1211.jpg)

Riser pieces are rough cut on a bandsaw.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0165.jpg)

After that, they’re clamped to a template and a sanding drum with a roller guide is used to get gluing surfaces to exact specifications. If the curves are inconsistent, not only will the glue lines look horrible, but they stand a good chance of failing. A course grit sanding sleeve leaves the surfaces rough enough to glue up properly.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_1197.jpg)

Always do a dry run before glue-up. After you’ve slathered Smooth-On all over everything is a poor time to realize you’ve made a mistake (done that too). I usually clamp everything together and use a spotlight to check for gaps. If everything looks good, I’ll glue the riser block together and put it in the hotbox for 8 hours at 180 degrees to cure.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0171.jpg)

Once the riser block is cured and cooled to room temperature the excess glue is sanded off and the block is squared up. Then it’s cut to accept the limbs, and those surfaces are squared and flattened up on a jointer.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0182.jpg)

A drill press comes in handy for attaching the limbs to the riser block. This part always makes me nervous. Right here is were your limb alignment will be dead on or a total mess.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0190.jpg)

A tap is used for installing the bolt inserts.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0194.jpg)

The limbs are bolted down, rough string nocks are filed in and the bow is strung. After a few minor adjustments, the tiller seems straight.

 (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0199.jpg)
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 23, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
For tip overlays I’m using black linen phenolic sandwiched between pieces of cocobolo. Small c-clamps and CA glue set them up quickly.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0200.jpg)

Now it’s time to rough shape the riser. After cutting to rough dimentions on a bandsaw, I go to a a drill press with one-, two-, and thee-inch diameter sanding drums.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0214.jpg)

Once the rough shape is where I want it, it’s time to move on to hand tools—rasps, files, scrapers, sandpaper and emery cloth.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0234.jpg)

Riser inserts are installed, the wood grain is filled with CA glue and several coats of Thunderbird are sprayed with an airbrush. After that cures, it’s just a matter of buffing everything out, bolting it together and going through the tuning process.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/JW105/CRW_0259.jpg)

When it was all said and done, I hit weight—58# @ 32”. And since no bow is truly finished until it serves its intended purpose, it’s time to take this recurve out for a little pre-spawn carp action on the Fox River. The water’s a little cool, but the sun’s bright today and the breeze is mild. If I’m slow and quiet, and my aim is true, maybe the fish will cooperate and I’ll break this bow in properly.

  (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/wesbrock/Mirrorcarp4-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: rabbitman on April 23, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
Jason...great build along and pics.  Beautiful bow.  Good job.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on April 23, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
great buildalong! Thanks  :)  

And that's an awesome looking bow too  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: WildmanSC on April 23, 2006, 08:35:00 PM
Jason,

That's a gorgeous bow.  And you have "blooded" it properly!  Congratulations!

Bill
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Al Dente on April 23, 2006, 08:35:00 PM
Way 2 Go Jason.  Bow looks great, you proved it shoots great by that carp ya got, and thanks for sharing it all with us.  I still tell people about the conduit deer cart that I made from your prototype several years ago.  Keep 'em coming.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: sticshooter on April 23, 2006, 08:46:00 PM
Well Jason now that ya killed some carp with my new bow when ya gonna send it to me?  "[tunglaff]"  Outstanding my friend.<><<><
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: wakolbinger on April 23, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
Very nice!

I fish that same river.....

danny
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Dano on April 23, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
Great build-a-long and bow Jason  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Aeronut on April 23, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
Beautiful bow Jason!  Really like the riser wood combination.

Dennis
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: GEREP on April 23, 2006, 09:37:00 PM
Man I wish I could do that...NICE job Jason.

   :thumbsup:  

KPC
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: digicon on April 23, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
That was a fantastic build-along.  Very nicely done.  I'm sure it's a lot of work to photograph and document the process from start to finish but I for one, appreciate the effort.  Thanks again, Mike.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: wislnwings on April 23, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
Really cool build-a-long.  Thanks for sharing with those of us who are kicking around the idea of trying to build our own.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Rich Baker on April 24, 2006, 12:03:00 AM
WOW thats awsome I wish I could do that man !!!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: cjones on April 24, 2006, 02:13:00 AM
Awesome job Jason!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 24, 2006, 05:30:00 AM
A lot of talent around these parts. Very Nice.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: James Wrenn on April 24, 2006, 06:25:00 AM
Nice looking bow! well done   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: John Scifres on April 24, 2006, 07:11:00 AM
Excellent. Beautiful bow!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Huntrdfk on April 24, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
Wow, that's a nice looking bow Jason.  Thanks for sharing that with us.

David
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Buemaker on April 24, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Bow looks great, thanks for sharing.  Bue--.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Desert Rat on April 24, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
Very nice looking bow.  The combination of woods in the riser are great.  Timing was perfect with your build along.  Looking to start a bow myself.

Brad
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Rick Perry on April 24, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
very nice !!!!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: TexMex on April 24, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
Awesome Job!!!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: BillW on April 24, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Jason, Great job! You really did a nice job in designing the riser shape.

Regards,
Bill W.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Joe D on April 24, 2006, 06:49:00 PM
Wow! Really nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Brad Davis on April 24, 2006, 06:57:00 PM
Man, that's outstanding!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Tique on April 24, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Very very nice!!! Realy like that wood combination.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Chortdraw on April 24, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Great buildalong and a heck of a nice finished bow!!    :bigsmyl:     Chort
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jumper on April 24, 2006, 07:42:00 PM
Jason, That is one good looking bow! Thanks for sharing with us.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: BaldingEagle on April 24, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
thanks for sharing.  That is a work of beauty.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Shakes.602 on April 24, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
Simply  AMAZING  to a "Bowyer Wannabe" Such as Myself!! I Really like the Contrasting Woods Used in the whole thing!!  :thumbsup:   Just a Beautiful Bow!!  :notworthy:    :notworthy:    :notworthy:   Now, how  LONG  did it take You to Make such a Creation?   :archer:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: HornHunter on April 24, 2006, 08:31:00 PM
Jason
you are the man!

there is no limit to your talent I am truely impressed,

you had better send me that bow or one much like it for field testing you know, I have some serious elk horn for trade bud.
Scott
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 24, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
Thanks everyone. But honestly, compared to making a selfbow, takedown recurves are a piece of cake.

----------

Al,

Those carts sure do come in handy. I had to break mine out again this past season when a small buck decided to go down in a bog a half mile from the parking lot. I need to start finding deer that run toward my truck after being shot.

--------------

bowmo,

What part of the Fox do you fish?

------------

Rick Perry,

I've seen your recurves. Coming from you, I consider that quite a compliment.

-------------

Shakes.602,

I think I've got between 10 and 15 hours into a bow. The first one was more like 40 or so.

-----------------

Scott,

Are you going to be at Berrien Springs this year? If so, I think I still owe you lunch.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: RayMO on April 25, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
Thanks for sharing Jason. And I agree those selfbows are much harder to make. Your bow is might sweet looking!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: TheDude1836 on April 25, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
Nice bow and nice carp ! Can you recomend any good reading matreial on building laminated bows and the construction of the bow forms ? I was also wondering if you shot that carp from the bank or a boat ?
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: elk ninja on April 25, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
I think we need to post this one in the build along forum, I really enjoyed and learned a bit...as jim rome would say, rack him!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on April 25, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
TheDude1836,

The Binghams videos are the best I've seen thus far. You can get them from various traditional archery retailers o direct at  www.binghamprojects.com (http://www.binghamprojects.com)

As for the carp, I shot it from the shore.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: wakolbinger on April 25, 2006, 09:22:00 PM
I live in St. Charles Il., so I fish anywhere in the surrounding area.

danny
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Guru on April 25, 2006, 10:07:00 PM
Jason, Most excellent build a long bud....Very pretty result     :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :notworthy:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Tom Leemans on April 26, 2006, 09:14:00 AM
Awful nice for a fish bow Jason. Rivers are back up this year!!!!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: insttech1 on April 26, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Jason,
Your pic's are very well thought out.  That probably took a bit of time in itself!

Can you give us some info on your spray system?  I hadn't heard of using an airbrush before....and it sounds a bit more economical than some of those $400+ sprayers...

Thanks!!
Marc
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Shakes.602 on April 26, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
"ThereIS More Than Corn In Indiana"     Bowyer Talent!!!      :archer:    
   If you arent from Indiana, that first line comes from an Irritating Commercial for Indiana Beach, in Monticello, IN.
   Its like a Permanent Carnival on a Cement Boardwalk. Go once, and you probably wont go back, ya know?    "[dead]"
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Tbay on April 26, 2006, 08:58:00 PM
Thank you for the tips and pics. Very nice job.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Terry Green on April 27, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
Holy Cow......how did I miss this one for 3 days!!!!!!

Dandy work!!!.........man you are getting mighty serious Sir Jason!!!!!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: insttech1 on April 28, 2006, 12:21:00 PM
Thanks so much for the tips Jason...I'll have to look into that setup!

Take Care,
Marc
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Burnsie on April 28, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
You have inspired me Jason.  Seeing your finished product has me psyched to get going on a bow. I've had the materials for a heat box for some time, but have never gotten off the pot and started.
As far as my writing go, I'll leave that to you.  You're very talented.
Burnsie
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: archerybuff on May 10, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
I can't believe this hasn't been moved to the "build a long" section!!
 Jason this is an awesome thread. I really like the riser wood combination. Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
 How many times a year do you find an excuse to build a bow???
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on May 11, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
Archerybuff,

 
Quote
How many times a year do you find an excuse to build a bow???
Not often enough.   :D
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Roughcountry on May 12, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Took me awhile to get all the pics to come thru, well worth the wait.
 Thanks Jason,really pretty bow  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: elk ninja on May 12, 2006, 03:24:00 PM
I for one am still waiting for this very good build along to be included in the how too or build along section....it's worth it!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: BigHink66 on May 12, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
If thats what you put together to shoot carp with...  I'd like to see the bow that you hunt deer with!!!

Most carp bows that I've seen were beat up looking clubs!
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Brian Halbleib on May 12, 2006, 08:51:00 PM
:thumbsup:  WOW! GREAT build-a-long Jason.

-Brian
 www.bowyersjournal.com (http://www.bowyersjournal.com)
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Charlie - SA on July 22, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
If I could do things as easy as you made them look I would be a happy camper.  I'll figure out a way to make it difficult.
Very nice bow & job.

Charlie - SA
Title: Re: Takedown Recurve Build-a-long
Post by: Randy Morin on July 22, 2006, 08:59:00 AM
Boy did I miss this thread by a long shot.  Glad I found it Jason.  Great job and a very pretty bow.  Prettiest fish bow I've ever seen!    :D