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Topic Archives => Build Alongs => Topic started by: Marvin M. on March 24, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
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With aplolgies to Barb (whose work I admire greatly) and Rob (who I consider a mentor because of his article on the How To forum and a recent post), I thought I would do a build along for the new guys that haven't seen this.
As background for this, I built my first one using Rob's plans on the how-to forum. This is my second. I used the following as references on this project: "Makin' Quivers" by Bob Krout (IAM -- Summer, 1997), "A Quiver to Hunt With" by Scott Toll (IAM -- Fall, 2001), and "Easy Armbuards" by Bob Krout (IAM -- Winter, 1997) and E. Donnall Thomas' two recent articles in TBM on "Alternative Quivers". I made the arm guards while I was cutting and stitching.
I ordered leather from Leather Unlimited. I have used them before and got decent service. For $57 I got a piece large enough to do two quivers. It turned out a little stiffer than I wanted, but once it conforms to my back it should work great. I might add that I like a stiff quiver, even though they are a little noisier.
I made a pattern from poster board following loosely the instructions in the "Makin Quivers" article listed above. Here is a pic of the patterns. If anybody wants dimensions, I will supply those.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Pattern_Hor.jpg)
You can see the holes punched in the pattern to mark the leather as I cut the parts out. The yellow pattern on the bottom is the quver body. The white strip on the bottom of the pic is the strap. I cut two of them to make it adjustable. Just above the strap is the sides of the pouch I am adding, and on the left side are the other two pieces of the pouch. In the top right are the two patterns for armguards, and on top of the cuff style armguard pattern is the bottom for the quiver. You need to cut two of those pieces to have a reinforced bottom.
Once I had the patterns ready, I marked them on the leather and cut them out using a box cutter razor knife. (http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Cut_Pattern1.jpg)
All holes were punched with one of those rotary hole punch things that you can pick up just about anywhere. I then rolled down the top to the length I wanted it and tied it off. I took it out to the garage and hammered the edges on the roll to make them lay down better.
The next step was to stain the leather since it came "natural". I bought Kiwi "Scuff Away" in brown from the shoe department at Wal-Mart and used it. This gave it the darker color I wanted and left it somewhat streaked to break up the outline.
Next comes the fun part -- stitching. I used leather boot laces for my stitching. They are very tough and work well for this purpose. Start with the bottom and think carefully before you do it to make sure it comes out right. I had to restart three times to get everythink line up like I wanted it.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Bottom_Stitch.jpg)
Once the bottom is stitched, start at the bottom and work up the side to get everything cinched down. Use needlenose pliers to pull your stitches tight and insure a snug fit.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Side_Stitch.jpg)
Before I tied off the top, I went underneath the roll and made some holes to put some dividers to separate broadheads from judos from target/flu-flu's. I cut two short pieces of river can and threaded lace throgh them and tied if off underneath the roll. This gives me three separate compartments for arrows in the mouth of the quiver (sorry, no pic of that). Then I cinched down the top, and tied it off. I had a copper concho that I tied in, and added some plastic beads for color.
More to come later
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I really liked the Third photo, looks like you have a partner there off to the left side helping out, the look on His experssion of His eyes is really is cute.
Super pics. of your Leather work also.
Yes please e-mail me the dims. for the Quiver,etc....ONE SHOT... :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Nice one Marvin! :thumbsup: You gonna use that one at the KK?
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One Shot,
That is my resident Lap Dog. He was very interested in the leather to the point that I wound up giving him a scrap piece to chew on.
I am at work and don't have the dimensions with me. I will try to dig them out tonight.
Tracy,
Not sure if I will make it. If I do, I will bring it along.
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OK, here we go with the strap and pouch.
On the straps, I puched holes one inch apart and one inch away from each other on both ends. This continues the theme of one inch spacing that was started on the quiver body. On the strap piece that fastens at the bottom, I punched holes one inch apart all the way up it, to give me more flexibility in adjusting it. I want to be able to adjust for thicker clothing in the cold, or thinner in September for the opener. ;) On the quiver bottom I punched four holes that will line up with the holes on the strap. At the top, I punched six holes with the highest about two inches from the top of the quiver. Use boot laces to tie in the straps and to tie the straps together. You can see some of this in the pictures at the end.
In order to get the holes that I need to tie in the pouch, I used my electric drill. I picked a bit that was about the right size and went slow to get a neat hole. I discovered that it is best to punch the spot with an awl before drilling to prevent skipping. I did not punch these when I started with the leather since I wanted to decide later where I would put it; besides, those rotary punches will only go in about an inch from the edge. After the holes were drilled and the matching holes punched in the back of the pouch, I ran some pieces of the lacing through the holes. I pushed them in one hole and ran a wire in the other one to pull them out. Took a little patience, but I got them out. This is what it looked like.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Pouch_Laces.jpg)
Now I started sewing the pieces of the pouch together. Using artificial sinew, I double stitched (that may not be the right term since I am not a tailor), the back to the sides and got it ready. Here is what that looked like.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Pouch_Inside.jpg)
You can see the holes that line up with the drilled holes in the quiver body in the pic above.
Next, I punched holes in the pouch front and the flap to allow for fastening. I put a loop of stretch cord through the holes in the pouch front and sewed a wooden button onto the pouch flap to loop the stretch cord around. I need to get some stronger stretch cord, but this will work for now. Then, I sewed the front onto the sides with artificial sinew, again using a double stitch (by that I mean that I went from two different directions to leave a crossed pattern on the stitches -- see pic).
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Pouch.jpg)
Finally, I took the other piece of leather for the bottom and used it for a pattern to cut some foam to go in the bottom.
The articles that I read said to use contact cement to glue the two pieces together to reinforce the bottom. I wanted to leave them unglued, in case I ever bust a stitch and need to repair. I dropped in the piece of leather and punched it down with an arrow, and then pushed the foam in on top of it. That should be plenty of protection for the bottom, and allow something for broadheads to grab if they slip out of their "boots" (a future project for me).
Here is what you get when you put it all together.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Side_View.jpg)
From the front. Note, I still need to add some lacing to the straps. This photo was taken when I first finished it and just used a couple of scraps to hold it together.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Front_View.jpg)
And for those close stalking situations in the brush, you need to be able to flip it up under your arm and control it with your bow hand. The strap needs to be adjusted carefully for this to allow clearance to draw the bow if the shot presents itself, without interfering with the string. It seems that the best way to accomplish this is to have it come up within three or four inches of your arm pit (at least that felt best to me). See pic.
(http://img34.photobucket.com/albums/v102/kyarcher76/Q_Side_Carry.jpg)
This is a large quiver that will hold a couple of dozen field points if needed, and the pouch will easily hold a spare string, shooting glove, multi-tool, and any other odds and ends that you might need. You could probably even throw a couple of squirrels in there if you are lucky enough to hit one. :D
So simple that even an accountant can make one, looks traditional, and cheap enough that even Van would like it (sorry Van, had to say it).
If you have ever wanted a primitive back quiver, there is no reason you can't have one! Just get some leather and put it together.
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So Marvin wanna sell that puppy..Why in the world did you apologize to me for making a quiver?You did far better than me at making a back quiver..I like Lakota style quivers and seldom make back quivers..Everyone should try making a quiver it isnt half as hard as you may think it is..Again Marvin very nice quiver
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Good show Marvin :thumbsup:
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Very nice quiver Marvin.
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Marvin,
Nice quiver. Thanks for sharing that. I been wanting to make some back quivers for my kids and myself soon.
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real nice and thank you for sharing :bigsmyl: :thumbsup:
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Hey that ain't half bad work for a bean counter :bigsmyl: Nice pictorial there Marvin. I had no idea you had such talent with the leather, camera or written word ;) You quiet types worry me :cool:
As Barb suggested you should try making a Lakota style quiver sometime.
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A really great tutorial and one heckuva back quiver! Good show Marvin! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Nice work Marvin, great looking quiver. Thanks.
:thumbsup:
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Thanks, guys.
Barb, I just admire your work. I don't consider this to even remotely be in your class of work. I did make a Lakota quiver, but haven't used it much yet. Not nearly as nice as your work. Used the instructions in the TBB books. It is functional, but not very pretty (like yours). And yes, you could say that I have quiver envy!
Mickey,
This time of year I need something therapeutic (is that spelled right?) to help me forget about taxes and year end reports.
For you guys that requested dimensions, I will try to get those out at lunch.
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Marvin-
What grade and weight of leather did you order. I looked at their catalog, and they have quite a selection! Since you said it was stiff, I figure I would start with the next lighter weight, if you remember what you got.
Also, how large a piece did you order, It looked in their catalog like the small pieces (about 10-12 sq. ft.) would be plenty, but I would hate to run out!
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JAK,
6 to 9 oz is what is recommended. What I got was at least 9 and maybe heavier. Lighter will form to your back better and hold the arrows more securely as it kind of collapses around the arrows. The roll top helps keep the top open even on light weight leather. This one will form to my back somewhat as I wear it, and working a softener into it will help also.
One Shot,
Sent you a Private Message with the dimensions. Let me know if you have qiestions.
Barb,
If I got rid of that dog, my wife would kick me out of the house. She likes the dog better than me, but I'm going to see if I can make a tracker out of him.
Marvin
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Marvin,I`ve ordered a Pendelton blanket and an elkhide to make Lakota quivers from..Something I havent tried before,a blanket style quiver trimmed in elk..I`ll make you a quiver from it if you like..I cant say for sure how well it`ll come out
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Barb,
I would love to have one of your quivers. They are beautiful!! What can I send you in trade?
Marvin
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FWIW I have thoroughly enjoyed this tutorial and interaction. Nice job, Marvin, on the project and on the presentation. Got a soft spot for you leather workers LOL (love the smell of leather - carry over from my horsemanship days I guess). :)
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Hi Bernie,
I like doing it. Doubt if I will ever do a lot of it, but I like making my own "stuff". I'm not very original, as I stated, all this came out of articles that I have read. They're not hard to make, if you just take your time and think about what you are doing.
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Highly satisfying though, huh? ;)
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Absolutely, I love it when a plan comes together.
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Great topic and posts, and the quiver looks fantastic. well done Marvin!!!! Now I have a summer project on vacation. all the best, al.
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Marvin,you`d owe me nothing in exchange..Like I said it would be a first and I havent a clue how well it will come out..Besides you may end up with a strap beaded in roses..Not to manly sorry..
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Roses is good, Barb - even if I wasn't married to one. They've been used on Family Crests, Flags and banners for ages not to mention belts, saddles, bridels, and the such. Perhaps more manly than you think - oh, also on lables of some good libations from my younger memories. :thumbsup:
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I got the rose idea from Jerry`s pic..Looks like he has a garland of roses on..So I beaded a strap in roses..
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Bet it looks nice. I've always thought that roses were one of god's most beautiful and intricate pieces of work. When we had our house on Atlantic beach (before going to Maine) I had 13 rose plants in our little lot - cars used to stop on the road to look at them in bloom. Only have three here and none do as well, as I don't devote the time to them now - too busy with archery LOL.
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Barb,
Your quivers are awesome. I like roses, and I keep telling my wife that I am in touch with my feminine side.
Bernie's right about roses. Apparently my family crest has four red roses on it, so I don't have a problem with that at all. See the link:
Clan History (http://www.macfarlane.org/story.htm)
Besides, there was the "War of the Roses", " a rose by any other color...............", "The Yellow Rose of Texas", "Guns and Roses", and don't forget "Tokyo Rose". Roses are a good thing.
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I ordered some leather from Tandy this weekend, should be here Thursday. I'm giving quiver building a shot, we will see how it goes. I'll build a back quiver, and probably a stalker style quiver (the one with the hole in the side). Wish me luck.
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JAK,
Just take your time and you will do fine. :scared: I did win that battle of wills, but probably should have handled it a little differently. I am going to get a tetanus shot this afternoon and let the doctor decide if I need stitches. :( He got me across my thumb and ripped the webbing between thumb and first finger (maybe I should have started him on that blood trail). It won't seal up, so I may have to get a stitch or two. We will be working this week on who is the alpha dog, and who is submissive. Apparantly that lesson needs to be reinforced.
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Hope you dont mind thought id share this,
If you wanta cheap and fuctional kids/youth quiver they are simple to make all you need is: ducktape,Popsicle sticks, Materal, Cardboard tube(such as from wrapping paper), spare peiace of cardboad for bottom.
ok first cut out a round peiace from your cardboard(spare peice) slightly bigger then your hole, using the ducktape tape to bottom(Dont be stingy on it:) ). Then cut the "quiver' to lenght, an exacto knife works good for this.
Next take the popsicle sticks about 5 or 6 and a peice of duck tpae and lay them on the sticky side evenly space (you can use more but dont use any less of the sticks), id suggest using a solid row for the top and bottom as i find they take the most wear. Now wrap them around the cardboard tube, do this the whole lenght of the quiver, this is your "support" for the quiver.
Next take matearl and make it so it fits around with a lil over hang. I usaly ducktapes it on(cusi loove duck tape :D ) or if you more adventeruse you can glue it on, i like to use 3 strands of ducktape top middle and bottom, if you want to you can sew the bottom up and "sleeave" it first. also place some tape on the top rim to cover both inside and outside of the rim to help protect the cardboard there.
Attach rope or straps as you like ive done it from lakta style-cat quiver to even a hip. If you want you can coever the showing ducktape with apiece of materrl glued onn, though i havint tried that personaly. anywho just acheap quiver, i have used them many times and you can add lotsto them in cludinga pocket if diesered(sew onto the amtrail before you tape it in place0. Ok sorry for any typos i missed here, and GL!
BunneyHunter
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