I am having some shoulder problems again. the doc sez if I want to keep doing this I better drop down in lbs. I got a 50lb`er now and its still bothering me but not as bad. I`m gonna find something 45lb and stick with it. The problem is not in being able to draw the bow but in the after effects.If you shoot 45lbs are less let me know your set up. I need some confidence builders. Kinda crazy but my buddy John bookhart shoots a 45lb longbow and kills tons of critters but shoots 650 grains in arrow weight and limits himself to 15 yards. I would like to keep my 25 yard range if possible. Thanks,RC.
I shoot 45# red Wing Hunter using an arrow/BH combination of 570 gr. No worries.
Been hunting with bows between 45 and 50#@28", and I draw 26.5. (27" if I am really excited, LOL!) Just got a bow that is 46 at my draw, and I don't feel a bit handicapped. Game animals in VA range from squirrels to black bear, unless you are lucky enough to stumble over a wayward elk.
Killdeer
RC, you probably got that shoulder problem from dragging all those pigs out of the woods! You know I don't have tons of experience and I still keep my shots under 20, but my bows are between 45-50 at about 29" and penetration hasn't been a problem. I've been really pleased with the 570 grain or so wood arrows I've been shooting this year. I was amazed that I blew through the shoulder of my buck last week and still buried the head deep enough into the spine to drop it. I did okay with 425 grain carbons out of my ChekMate including one through the shoulder blade and still poked out the brisket. The 2016's out of my Bear got a pass through. I think you would do well with carbons at about 500 grains. Enough punch will keeping a little speed. Good luck with that shoulder. Steve
One of my older MAII Widows is 42#s at 28". Shooting 530 grain arrows with Zwickey Eskimos at the business end will kill a dear deader than dead in very short order. Expect pass through shots with this set up at distances less than sixteen yards.
yup i shoot 45 at 26.5 and the same as killie 27 if i get excited. and it kills fallow deer no problem at 20 yards. i use 3555 trad carbons with 125grn 2blade stingers up front. :thumbsup: :archer:
45 lb Black Widow recurve, 29" draw, 30.5" 580 grain arrow with three blade snuffer.
No problems
43-49#'s here. Arthritic shoulders brought me down from shooting 60#'s, where I was very comfortable for years . It took me a year to realize I can be happy at this weight. Now I wonder why I didn't do it a long time ago. My shooting has improved. Consequently my confidence has gone up. Nock on wood, I haven't had a failure on game yet. My newest recurve should be between 46-48 lbs.
A lot of folks will preach against it but don't let them get you down. The proof is all there. Of course, so no one gets the wrong idea, if I could shoot more I would. No harm in that.
Your buddy John has it figured out. Leland
I shoot a 45# GMII easton legacy 2117 arrows with 5.5" sheild cut feathers magnus stinger broadheads. I'm accurate out to forty yards(can hit a pie plate 8/10) but wont shoot past 25 yards for hunting. I decided to go for forgiveness instead of speed and I'm happy with the results.-Scott
64" 42# PLX does the trick for me on hogs and whitetails with a 500 grain arrow and STOS broadhead.
I can pull heavier bows but feel the after effects more in the neck and shoulder.
As you well know SHOT PLACEMENT is normally the deciding factor and 40-45 bows shoot plenty hard for deer and hogs.
Todays higher performance bows allow an archer to shoot less weight, with more speed with the same arrow weight than ever before...If a 55 pound draw selfbow can shoot a 500 grain arrow moving at 150-160 f.p.s. through a whitetail, than a 45 pound "Modern" design bow shooting that same arrow at 170-180 f.p.s should be better..I know a fella that shoots Osage/Sinew bows, keeps His shots under 20 yards, and kills deer dead consistantly.. His bows pull about 45#, and His draw length is about 26"..His arrows are heavy, over 500 grains, and He told Me that they chrono in the mid 140 f.p.s. range...He does well with His gear..Get Yerself a good 45# bow, and good arrows, and have fun...Harperman
I would also experiment with how you draw. if you watch videos of Hill you will see that his bow comes up without his drawing arm doing much until the bow is leveled off. Kind of the same leverage difference of picking up a water pail at arms length or right alongside the body. Less motion will also create less inflamation.
I agree with Harpman, With deer size game no problem with a 40 lb bow at all. Especially as fast as the bows are today., A well made bow with boo and carbon will shoot like a 55 lb bow a few years ago. Why hurt yourself?
I think that the 150s would suit your set up well though as some have said if you wish to go for big FOC you could with 250's , I shoot 250's from a 60lb 62" Robertson Montana falcon with 100g brass inserts and 200g broad heads for 300 up front with three 5 inch shields all I see is nock.
The effect big FOC has with Carbons has to be experienced to be believed , I know there are a lot of believers here.
Dr Ashby says of FOC fewer things have shown a greater impact on penetration than heavy FOC and he has seen some amazing results on Buffalo with light bows.
Enjoy finding out
I shot a 45# Grizly for years with a 500grn. arrow. with 2 blade heads. Killed everthing form Quails to Pigs. biggest pig was 225 lbs. Don't Worry.
I rarely shoot over 50 at my draw, and most times I shoot between 43 and 47#. Heavy , high foc arrows is all I hunt with.
if I am allowed to say ;
I hunt with 43 # but I don't know if someone will think I can't say that .
Pastor Carl
I've taken three deer that i can recal with 46#s, and thats if i came to full draw. All were pass throughs. I shot a buck this year from 5yds on the ground and didn't make it to full draw at all, the arrow still came out the other side.
450grn arrows.
You should have no trouble at all. :thumbsup:
My paternal grandfather hunted with a recurve pulling 42# @ 26" and cut-on-impact 3-blade heads. He blew through a lot of deer with that setup, and this was back when Dacron was high-tech.
RC, 2 pass throughs now with my 40# recurve and one with my 43# longbow. I wanted both to be 48-50# but I ain't no bowyer so I ended up lighter than I wanted. Both actually shoot very good. Believe it or not, 2016's out of my recurve with 3 blade razorcaps. 1916's out of the longbow (not center shot) with 2 blade Ribteks. Both arrows at 485 - 500 grains. My shoulders love em.
I normally shoot 50 - 55 lbs but this year shot most of my 3D's with a 44# Crow Creek 3 piece longbow, mainly because I can't shoot a lot of arrows comfortably with my heavier bows - and decided to pig hunt with it. I shot one pig, about 80 - 90 lbs. with it this year. I used the CE Heritage 150's, cut 29" with a 160 grain STOS. Those arrows weighed around 540 grains. The arrow zipped through the pig and shattered the leg bone on the opposite side. I was impressed with that performance.
One thing I've found is the lower weight bows don't come off the fingers as good as the 50 - 55 pounders, but once you get used to them its no problem.
RC - sounds like your buddy John has proven how effective a 45 lb. bow can be....I don't think you'll have any problem shooting out to 25 yards with the lighter weight...I have found that beyond 30 yards or so my arrows drop a lot - because I'm shooting over 12 grains per pound with the CE 150's, but for hunting ranges that's not a problem. By the way - what broadhead does your buddy John shoot?
Longbowwally, John shoots the 220 grain phantom with the bleeder. He also shoots Simmons landsharks without the bleeders. Last year he killed five deer and 23 pigs on public land. this year he`s killed one deer and 9 pigs. All with the same setup.RC
Robert as much experience as you have and as good a hunter as you are,I doubt you'll skip a beat bud.....you'll just keep putting critters down :thumbsup: :notworthy:
You mentioned the aftereffects bothering you. Not sure just what you meant. With me, I was feeling the vibrations in my upper spine and lower neck. Much shooting and It would tighten me up and get pretty uncomfortable. To alleviate this I now shoot a couple of aluminum riser Warfs. They soak up or eliminate? most of the vibration before it gets to me and I can shoot alot more comfortably. The DAS and Daala bows would do the same thing for you. My favorite for hunting and 3d has been an old Hoyt TD-3 riser that Bob Gordon warfed which makes for a light 62 or 63" recurve since it is a magnesium riser. It shoots the same arrows at the same speed as a 44# Fedora Jr Big East I have and the Warf is set at 42# max and can be backed off from there. Took two does with it this year and one with an old 41# Bear Grizzly with 1816's and Ace 125gr heads. Complete pass through. The Warf uses light weight carbons, full length, Ace or Magnus II at about 145 gr for about a 400 gr arrow. At 42# it's close to point on at 30 yards, giving a nice, natural sight picture up close.
The Big East at 44# likes 1916 for 3d and 2016 or even 2018's carry the 145 gr 2 blade broadheads nicely. My draw is a little over 28".
Most people on this thread have been very reasonable and hunting the game you should be hunting with the bows you are shooting. Thanks for not advocating elephant with 35 lbs and heavy arrows. I know the pygmies prolly do it butttttttttttt . I think they use poison and track them for days. Anyway good thread. Keep em sharp and heavy. Happy New Year , Steve
All I know is I have a 45# laminated osage longbow coming from Solstice Longbows. I have every intention of using it for these big south hills muleys. And when it proves itself there, I will go for elk with it. A well-tuned arrow and a sharp broadhead should be more than adequate.
Robert, some of us old farts shot 40-45# recurves for years (late sixties, early seventies) with arrows that sometimes weren't all that heavy. Best of my memory we got pass-thrus most of the time if we waited for broadsides and shot true. now that was all deer, didn't have any hogs around my neck of the woods in those days.
Ken Beck of Black Widow bows killed a big 6x6 bull elk a couple years back with a 51# recurve
I dunno.....sounds like you're setting us up for some excuses....
I probably killed the 1st 100 or so deer with a 45# Pearson Colt. I'm sure it will work for you too :-)If you need ome more lessons...come on up.
Biggie, That settles it. If you can do it I should`nt have a problem .No worries,RC