Post by: JC on December 22, 2007, 12:07:00 PM
Those are all difficult questions to answer...and you may be surprised by the final conclusion...or conclusions ;) I have come to. The testing sure has been an eye opener and more than a lot of fun. :readit:
The specs:
A&H ACS/CX , 62", Zebrawood/phenolic riser, 57#@27"
Morrison Shawnee/foam core/carbon back Dakota longbow limbs, 56", Zebrawood/midnight dymondwood riser, 59#@27"
Intro pics:
A&H
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture071.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture068.jpg)
Morrison
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Morrison/Picture062.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Morrison/Picture063.jpg)
Fit and finish on both bows was pretty much perfect. The A&H uses a finish reminescent of the blackwidow I once owned: very hard with a slight texture, a very slight but pleasing sheen. The Morrison has a flat clear finish, seemingly not as hard as the A&H. I could find no visible flaws in either bow.
Over the next few days, I'll post some updates, more pics, some subjective and objective data...sorry, not trying to stall, just a busy time of the year. :campfire:
Post by: vermonster13 on December 22, 2007, 12:18:00 PM
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Post by: JC on December 23, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
I hope to have the chrono #'s as soon as the weather clears...we've had rain (THANK GOD!) for the last 3 days off and on and not enough good sunshine for accurate readings.
More visual aspects:
I really like the trim A&H riser; it's width is as minimal as I think it can be made, gives the 62" bow a very "svelte" sexy profile from any angle. The riser has an unusual curve at the window, very unique look for a wood riser.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture073.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture077.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture074.jpg)
The grip is very good. Although it's a bit higher than I normally like on longbows, it is very easy to get consistent hand placement. My only complaint is a very slight ridge at the web area. Now, if you shoot high wrist, for some reason you don't feel it, but I like my whole hand pressure on a longbow and I'll take some sandpaper to it if it stays. Just a preference, not a design flaw or issue at all.
The tips of the A&H are a bit beefier than the previous Adcock built bows I've seen. One issue I personally have had with other ACS bows was the stability of the limb tips, I have a few friends on this board who own or have owned ACS bows that unstrung themselves if bumped hard on the limb tip, and some even if not layed down flat carefully. This is not the case with this A&H model I have. I don't think the bow would unstring unless you puprosefully meant to. I was really glad to see this change.
I wish my camera could capture the subtleties of the the Adcock Cross Section....again, very unique. Obviously an ingenious, effective design.
Post by: Bjorn on December 23, 2007, 10:54:00 AM
Post by: JC on December 23, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
Post by: robtattoo on December 23, 2007, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: Bjorn on December 23, 2007, 12:53:00 PM
Rob, I have both-no foam-of course; you have to spend some time with each. In my mind at this level it is purely subjective-a few fps aside-some prefer blondes and others redheads but then again it is still 'Raining in Georgia'.
Post by: JC on December 23, 2007, 06:28:00 PM
It cleared, but not before wrestling practice was over tonight, maybe tomorrow. And yes, I think most of the preferences folks have between these two bows, are just that....preferences.
Post by: rastaman on December 24, 2007, 10:49:00 AM
you are killing me...please,please, quit teasing us.
Randy
Post by: Bjorn on December 24, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
JC come out and play!! LOL!
Post by: foudarme on December 24, 2007, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: Bjorn on December 24, 2007, 03:47:00 PM
Very good test Joe, your detail is really well covered.
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 03:49:00 PM
A&H ACS really liked the 542gr arrow: Beman ICS Hunter 340's, 28 3/4" BOP, 50gr brass insert, 200gr head, 4x4" low profile nanners, no dip/crown. I need to do a bit more tuning to get this one perfect but it's real close. I still have difficulty with the bow shooting too the right, even with arrows that are slightly stiff. I'm sure I could cure that with a bit of grip sanding or simply shooting this bow exclusively for a while:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/AH%20ACS-CX/Picture053.jpg)
Shawnee/Dakota liked the 575gr arrow best: Carbon Express Terminator Hunter 60/75, 29 1/8 BOP, standard aluminum insert, 200gr head, 4x4" low profile nanners with small dip/crown. This one bareshafted perfectly out to....well...I'm not gonna tell you...but this one was a "fer poke" as my granpap would say:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Morrison/Picture059.jpg)
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 03:53:00 PM
Post by: robtattoo on December 24, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
Great speeds from both bows, you ain't making this any easier, are ya?! :D :D
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 04:02:00 PM
Oh yeah, and here's the special Eagle's Flight quiver Don & Karen Ward built for me just a few days ago; black leather, black stitching and black SHARKSKIN....ooooooh sooo coool lookin!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Morrison/Picture067.jpg)
Anyone notice anything unusual from this and the other pics about the mounting of this quiver? :saywhat:
Post by: Bjorn on December 24, 2007, 05:03:00 PM
How is that held on anyway? The riser is still completely flush to the limb, and I don't imagine you drilled the side of that gorgeous riser.
Post by: Shaun on December 24, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
Shaun, the bow is deserving of every word. And thank you for your insinuation, it means a lot coming from someone who is as seasoned as you.
I'm using limb bolts that are drilled and tapped internally, a-la habu for those of you who have owned one. The limb bolt screws in, then the bolt on quiver screws down into the recess of limb bolt. My only, and I do emphasize only, complaint about the shawnee is the limbs that screw in from the rear...not as easy to mount a quiver as the standard front riser mount bolts.
Post by: Tique on December 24, 2007, 06:40:00 PM
Post by: snag on December 24, 2007, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: JC on December 24, 2007, 07:49:00 PM
I prefer to think of these two as "speed angels" cause nothing this sweet and fine could be called a "demon" ;)
Post by: Guru on December 24, 2007, 08:35:00 PM
Merry Christmas!
Post by: Hooked on December 24, 2007, 09:45:00 PM
Post by: ronda on December 24, 2007, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: Seeking Trad Deer on December 24, 2007, 10:13:00 PM
Any idea how many fps you would pick up with the foam core limbs over the regular actionboo Cheyenne limbs? Any noise difference in the regular cheyenne limbs verses a foam coare limb?
Post by: mooseman76 on December 24, 2007, 10:36:00 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on December 24, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
Post by: Alex.B on December 24, 2007, 11:05:00 PM
Thanks, I love that chrono analysis stuff!
Post by: Rod Jenkins on December 24, 2007, 11:21:00 PM
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Post by: Tater on December 25, 2007, 08:35:00 AM
Thank's for the info, tic...tock...tic...tock now I just have to wait till my new Shawnee gets here.
Tater
Post by: JC on December 25, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
Mike, I'll post some more pics of the Morrison for you. The carbon is on the back, foam core, black fiberglass belly.
Thanks Rod, yep, already started fiddlin with the strike plate and a piece of leather lacing behind the velcro...but the rain has set in again so I can't tell if it was enough/too much.
Thanks for the compliments fellers...now I just gotta figure out how I'm gonna keep both of em!
Post by: Arrowslinger on December 25, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: beachbowhunter on December 25, 2007, 04:01:00 PM
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Please do me a favor and give old Cosmic Ray a hug. I think he could use one right now..
Post by: kawika b on December 25, 2007, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 25, 2007, 06:15:00 PM
Will I chrono it? Someday, maybe. I don't worry about 5 fps here or there. I can only say right now that the bow pulls smoothly, and packs a wallop for its weight. Hmm. I haven't put it on a scale to see if it pulls the same weight that is on the limbs. Aw, Bob wouldn't put an untruth on there, so I won't bother checking.
I am still wondering when/if I should tell Mockingbird about my new bow.. :rolleyes:
Killdeer
Post by: vermonster13 on December 25, 2007, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 25, 2007, 06:42:00 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/7218Cheyenne.jpg)
Or, do you mean you need a pic of the bareshaft in the target? I coulda faked that though.
Killdeer :bigsmyl:
Post by: Bjorn on December 25, 2007, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: The Whittler on December 25, 2007, 06:50:00 PM
Congrats on everyones new bow they got for Christmas.
Alan
Post by: DesertDude on December 25, 2007, 06:52:00 PM
Mark
Post by: Killdeer on December 25, 2007, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: mooseman76 on December 25, 2007, 10:31:00 PM
Post by: snag on December 25, 2007, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 25, 2007, 10:48:00 PM
Killdeer
Post by: vermonster13 on December 25, 2007, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 25, 2007, 10:50:00 PM
Killdeer
Post by: Seeking Trad Deer on December 26, 2007, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 26, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
I am going to have nightmares, I just know it.
Killdeer :help:
Post by: JC on December 27, 2007, 07:30:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Killdeer:Now that's funny right there... :biglaugh:
I can see it now...Panelling by Morrison. Bob waltzing out in a white coat and Panama hat, or a beret, with a sidekick carrying his portfolio. Pao ferro feng shui, Tex-Tite lava lamps...
I am going to have nightmares, I just know it.
Killdeer :help:
Post by: DEAN on December 27, 2007, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Doc Nock on December 27, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
!["[dntthnk]"]("graemlins/dntthnk.gif" "\"\"")
:rolleyes: Now it will be a show'n tell to make the rest of us turn a bilious shade of green! :D
Post by: Rick James on December 27, 2007, 09:46:00 AM
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Post by: Rod Jenkins on December 27, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: snag on December 27, 2007, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: Tater 2 on December 27, 2007, 01:40:00 PM
Yea that's what it is! Looks like it works whatever it is.
Post by: MountainTool21 on December 27, 2007, 07:30:00 PM
That morrison has to be THE cleanest looking bow I have seen yet from Bob. I just got my ACS CX last week 66" 57# @28" alum riser. It's a damn rocket, dead in the hand, and wisper quite too. My neighbors complimented me on it then asked what the hell it was! Happy New Year Andrew
Post by: Killdeer on December 27, 2007, 10:35:00 PM
Is that the MO used when doing something you shouldn't?
Here are today's pics;
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Img_5144_Edit.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Img_5149.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Img_5148.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Img_5141.jpg)
I really like this bow. :bigsmyl:
Killdeer
Post by: Rod Jenkins on December 27, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
Sweet looking bow, you have there Killy !
Post by: mooseman76 on December 28, 2007, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: Killdeer on December 28, 2007, 05:04:00 AM
Killdeer
Post by: snag on December 28, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: Killdeer on December 28, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
The limbs are just a plain satin black. The tab is an old one, I picked ip up from a vendor at Baltimore my first year out there. It is stretched-out and the sealskin has lost its hair in the critical parts, but it shoots like my bare fingers. I will replace the bit of sealskin shortly. It is built the same as a cheap calfskin tab with no spacer.
The quiver was made by our friend in archery, Mike G., of Mike's Archery Leather. I don't like back quivers...but I like this one.
:bigsmyl:
Killdeer
Post by: k. sisco on December 28, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
I also have the foam core limbs.
Mine are:53#@26"
My arrows were 528gr- 191fps.
I really like these limbs.
I will post pics.of this bow tommorrow.
Post by: tukudu on December 28, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
I don't know how you put all that information together from the last request but you hit the nail right on the head. tom
Post by: highcountry on December 28, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: Killdeer on December 29, 2007, 05:50:00 AM
Killdeer :bigsmyl:
Post by: snag on December 29, 2007, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: Randy Morin on December 29, 2007, 09:29:00 AM
Thanks Again...now if I could just shoot-em myself. :pray:
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