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Title: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 12, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
I traded for this Kodiak last week,it was advertised as a 1958. It is a good little shooter.
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Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Blackhawk on February 12, 2015, 06:36:00 PM
OK, give us a little class please.     :readit:  

You can't tease us without telling us why it's a '57.   :D
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 12, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
The 1958 has the "beerbelly". lol
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: TonyW on February 12, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
Hey, it was advertised as a 1958.

More words related to "as advertised" are:

nominal  supposed theoretical   alleged  ostensible  pretended  professed  purported seeming  self-styled    so-called   suggested
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Bjorn on February 12, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Nice bow. There was more than one riser shape in 1958 but none were as small as the 1957's with the white glass, which I believe yours to be.
I have one in 60" and 52#. There are examples of 64" white glass '57 Kodiaks as well but they are exceedingly rare. And the 60" bows are certainly not common.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Bjorn on February 12, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
Tony you crack me up!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: yeager on February 12, 2015, 10:08:00 PM
It was my understanding that the early '58s were made, using the same forms, like the '57 except with the white glass. The later '58s then were made with the wider, "sow belly" riser. If I'm wrong I apologize.

Great looking bow......is that original or has it been refinished? I own a sow belly, 60"/57# and love the way it shoots.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: papabear08 on February 13, 2015, 02:59:00 AM
It has a '58 serial number
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 13, 2015, 10:18:00 AM
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Originally posted by yeager:
It was my understanding that the early '58s were made, using the same forms, like the '57 except with the white glass. The later '58s then were made with the wider, "sow belly" riser. If I'm wrong I apologize.

Great looking bow......is that original or has it been refinished? I own a sow belly, 60"/57# and love the way it shoots.
It looks like its had to have been cleaned up at some point, but Im not for sure. It is a pepe little shooter.   :archer:
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 13, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
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Originally posted by papabear08:
It has a '58 serial number
Well now, that is even cooler in my book. I wish Mr. Wade would let us know what he thinks.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: warpedarrow on February 14, 2015, 05:38:00 AM
I am seeing indentations in the glass that appear to me to indicate work being done on the bow.  What rather alarms me is that they are across the grain of the glass.  I suspect that the glass has a thin coat of paint on it.  If it were mine I would be asking if there were cracks in the finish that someone scraped on or if there was any damage to the glass.

That is a good looking bow.  it would be welcome on my wall anyday.  Nice find.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: picapica on February 15, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
I bought a 64"/52# version of what looks like the same bow - my # is EC511 with an "A" over it. The leather grip and sidewall seem to be original. It has a red 5 feather rest.
Does the white glass make it a '58 or does the shape make it a '57? If the # is the actual indicator of year, how does it do this?

Thanks! I learn something every time I follow these exchanges.  (http://imgur.com/nZoFSYm)
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: picapica on February 15, 2015, 02:49:00 PM
(http:// [url=http://imgur.com/nZoFSYm] [img]http://i.imgur.com/nZoFSYm.jpg?1)[/url] [/IMG]
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: picapica on February 15, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
There was another one of these on the local CL recently; it too was 64"/52#, the # was ED804 with an "A" over the #. (http:// [url=http://imgur.com/TGefEzR] [img]http://i.imgur.com/TGefEzR.jpg?1)[/url] [/IMG]
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: copicasso on February 16, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
The bow was refinished at one point as I used to be in possession of that bow. It was loaned to my son for a year by a very good friend of mine. I didn't know he was getting rid of it or I'd be the owner. If you ever decide to get rid of it please put me on your list . I have some fond memories of my son and I walking the woods during hunting season while he carried that bow.
Todd
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: tippit on February 16, 2015, 10:22:00 PM
Todd,
That white glass 58 you traded me has become my favorite.  It's helped my back recovery being so smooth.  Shoot it almost every day, course helps not having any snow here in SC  :)
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: copicasso on February 16, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
Tippit, glad you enjoy it. There's no snow where I live in Colorado either. We've been having 60 degree weather until today.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Wade Phillips on February 16, 2015, 11:49:00 PM
The "White Glass 1957 Kodiak" is a term I coined many years ago to make it easy to identify this style of bow that was made in three lengths, 56", 60" 64", as shown below.

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The term "White Glass 1957 Kodiak" is self explanatory and eliminates all the BS "sow belly", "indented belly" and associated confusion.

There are three variations in the form used to make the 1958 Kodiak sow belly and actually the most common variation of the "sow belly" is not even shown in 1958 Bear catalog... go figure...

There are many inconsistencies in the Bear Catalogs and many transition bows such as the White Glass 1957 Kodiak.

Compare what you see in the 1957 and 1958 Bear Catalogs to actual 1957 and 1958 Bear bows and you will find an incredible number of variations...
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: TonyW on February 17, 2015, 12:25:00 AM
Wade - Takes you back to the days when everything wasn't made by CNC robots. Every 50s bow still has the spirit of the people who made them hanging on.

Makes it hard for me to refinish anything.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 17, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
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Originally posted by copicasso:
The bow was refinished at one point as I used to be in possession of that bow. It was loaned to my son for a year by a very good friend of mine. I didn't know he was getting rid of it or I'd be the owner. If you ever decide to get rid of it please put me on your list . I have some fond memories of my son and I walking the woods during hunting season while he carried that bow.
Todd
You will be first on the list.
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 17, 2015, 09:22:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
The "White Glass 1957 Kodiak" is a term I coined many years ago to make it easy to identify this style of bow that was made in three lengths, 56", 60" 64", as shown below.

        (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/IMG_32921.jpg) (http://s386.photobucket.com/user/WadePhillips/media/IMG_32921.jpg.html)

The term "White Glass 1957 Kodiak" is self explanatory and eliminates all the BS "sow belly", "indented belly" and associated confusion.

There are three variations in the form used to make the 1958 Kodiak sow belly and actually the most common variation of the "sow belly" is not even shown in 1958 Bear catalog... go figure...

There are many inconsistencies in the Bear Catalogs and many transition bows such as the White Glass 1957 Kodiak.

Compare what you see in the 1957 and 1958 Bear Catalogs to actual 1957 and 1958 Bear bows and you will find an incredible number of variations...
Thanks Mr. Phillips, your knowledge is always helpful. I always look to your Kodiak and Grizzly I.D. post for info. Thanks, Robert
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: Coondawg on February 17, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
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Originally posted by warpedarrow:
I am seeing indentations in the glass that appear to me to indicate work being done on the bow.  What rather alarms me is that they are across the grain of the glass.  I suspect that the glass has a thin coat of paint on it.  If it were mine I would be asking if there were cracks in the finish that someone scraped on or if there was any damage to the glass.

That is a good looking bow.  it would be welcome on my wall anyday.  Nice find.
It does have some horizontal stress lines in the clear coat. Thanks, Robert
Title: Re: 1957 Kodiak white glass
Post by: picapica on February 17, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
Thank you Wade!

Once I learn how to replace a missing tip overlay, mine will be back in use.

Mark