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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Migra Bill on April 24, 2013, 10:52:00 AM
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Out of every bow I have ever owned, this is my most precious. I remember the day I got it and the feeling that came over me that day at Denton Hill. But alas... it must go. Unfortunately Government Sequestration has taken a big bite out of my income, and that coupled with the divorce I am going thru - I must let my prized bow go. It is the one pictured in my avatar.
Wooden handle A1111 signed by Fred with the Stick Bow Man figure. Also signed by Glenn ST. Charles. It is featured on the poster that Rich Tiberio put together on the known Stickbowman bows.
Within the next couple days I will be getting pics together and listing in the classifieds. I just wanted to put a heads up on here to start saving your pennies because I would really like to see this one stay within our circle here rather than put it on the big site.
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Sorry to hear of your troubles Bill.
Bows are not priorities and can be had anytime.
Good Luck
.......Philip
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I remember that day too Bill. You came by the booth with the biggest smile ever.
Too bad the Dicktator in cheif can destroy so many lives and still continue life as usual.
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God willing my Stickbowman A handle will be with me forever. I don't see ever letting it go, even in Divorce
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Originally posted by Shane Reed:
God willing my Stickbowman A handle will be with me forever. I don't see ever letting it go, even in Divorce
Never say Never :saywhat:
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On my 3rd wife Bill, found a good one this time, sorry to hear about your bow, I know what its like to start over, good luck .
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Rich. Worked to hard to get it. I will say never. ;-)
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Never say never.. i have sold my bow collection(s) 3 times over the last 35 years..life happens.
Good luck Bill, sorry our govt. gave it to you without a reach around.
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Hey guys - I have had 16 people contact me about this bow. I am emailing pics to the first guy on Monday (I am out of town for the weekend). If he doesnt like what he sees, I will then give the next guy a chance.
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Good luck Bill. Sorry you are in a rough patch.
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Migra...didn't you use to have an avatar of you holding up a little fish?
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:laughing:
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Just taking notes.....about the bow deal that went sour.
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I would like to see pics of the other handle. This is all degrees of mine.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2742.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2742.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2741.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2741.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2740.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2740.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2739.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2739.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2738.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2738.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2737.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2737.jpg.html)
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Yeah and it's a very stincky FISH !!!!!!!!!!!
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Buyer beware !!!
Any bow should not be considered "sold" until the buyer responds with "I'm pleased".
This shady deal was a real eye opener and not to be forgotten.
I still can't believe it.
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Phil, you are correct. I always include, 'if it doesn't meet your approval, you may return it'. There should be no harm whether you are dealing with
friends or hopeful friends.
Shick
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x2 as I posted in the topic that was deleted. This is the largest dollar deal I have ever seen go wrong besides a used subaru GT Legacy lemon money pit; I bought some 5 years ago for $6000 ;o) Did my best to aid in making this deal right; to no avail.
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That was a stunner for sure when I sell stuff here or on the auction site I offer a full refund-only way to go.
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I have no dog in this fight however I remember a year or so back when a well known refinisher and respected members name was drug through the mud kinda similar to this. Nothing good came of that and I can't see anything better happening with this. The only two people that know exactly what happened are the two parties involved. Care if we drop this one fellas?
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Nick,no ones dragging anyones name thru the mud. The facts are out there and known.If you don't know feel free to ask. This sucks and to think people call certain folks their friend and others try to brush it aside shows either ignorance or arrogance. You earn respect when you act like a MAN!
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Yeah, never can understand standing by and defending bad behavior and liars. Just like the last guy that was spoken about in this thread. Dozens of folks couldn't get a call or email for over 6 months. Doesn't sound very respectful to me. Especially since he was making post here daily and not even answering folks here that were asking.
The one in question on this thread stood by him too. Birds of a feather they say.
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I am confused. Did Bill sell the bow or did someone stiff him?????? Someone pm me please.
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This topic should NEVER be dropped.
"Collecting forum" simply informing other fellow collectors.
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Iam with Danny on this, curious as to what happened and what to watch out for. PM please.
Up to speed now thanks for the PM. Not suprised.
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Originally posted by charles m:
Yeah, never can understand standing by and defending bad behavior and liars. Just like the last guy that was spoken about in this thread. Dozens of folks couldn't get a call or email for over 6 months. Doesn't sound very respectful to me. Especially since he was making post here daily and not even answering folks here that were asking.
The one in question on this thread stood by him too. Birds of a feather they say.
:clapper:
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Yeah that really P----s me off with the Rodney King " can't we all just get along comment" from Nick.
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This is not pocket change. Very glad I was invited to pick mine up, and given lunch. I was treated like family. The best buying experience I ever had, and one I will never forget! Thank you to my sellers again. Can't wait until our next meeting.
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Very confused about this thread. PM please.
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Is this the facts?????:
1) Migra Bill offered for sale his signed A riser as noted in the first part of this thread for $3,000 or$3,500.
2) Migra must have had multiple offers and posted this:
"Hey guys - I have had 16 people contact me about this bow. I am emailing pics to the first guy on Monday (I am out of town for the weekend). If he doesnt like what he sees, I will then give the next guy a chance. "
3) Transaction happens and buyer finds out there's filled holes on riser and wants his money back.
4) Migra had already spent money and can't refund money.
5) Try's to resell riser to others that had contacted him, but no one bites now.
Did original buyer still have riser or did he send riser back and was expecting refund that never came? Was it represented that there were no holes during e-mails between them? Was there an offer for a refund if not satisfied with original deal or was it offered as a final sale?
I know I offer a full refund if not satisfied on any of my deals that I do here, but I don't ever want anyone to be disappointed-I've been here since the beginning. From a buyers standpoint, this should always be asked up front because it's not like the big auction site where it lists if you can return an item or not. On this site it's up to the seller to offer that and if concerned about that possibility, you should ask if that's available.
All that said, it's too bad this deal happened on a cool piece of history.
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Papabear if you read my post I said that the issue was between the buyer and seller and I suppose the TG admin. All I was saying was that everyone else should keep their .02 to themselves and let you guys work it out without forming a lynch mob. But hey what the he77 do I know.......
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I think you have it right Ray and I am guessing since Migra quit he did not refund the money and the buyer still has the riser. I cannot imagine selling the piece here or on **** without discussing the filled holes if that is indeed how that happened. :campfire:
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Had this been an **** / PayPal transaction money would have been pulled back out of the account with a third party qualified appraisal.
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Nick I respect you and know you as a very responsible member of this forum; and it is true this deal is between the buyer and seller however it is likely one of the highest dollar transactions we have seen here this year, and it does not appear to have ended well. Anything I can learn from it will be of value going forward, and I promise to be civil. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by Bjorn:
I think you have it right Ray and I am guessing since Migra quit he did not refund the money and the buyer still has the riser. I cannot imagine selling the piece here or on **** without discussing the filled holes if that is indeed how that happened. :campfire:
No, he did not refund Gary a dime.
I'm still trying to grasp the concept of "NO HOLES".
I guess if they are "filled already", it does not have any holes? Right?
Buyer beware! Have all details of any purchase in writing!
I must say, I've never met MigraBill or Papabear.
They are considered, to me anyway, as ALL of you, fellow enthusiasts with a common "friendship".
What Migra has done is very unfortunate. Not only for him but all of us here. The circle is smaller than you think.
Honesty goes a LONG way.
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Yes Philip and I have never met but we have talked on the phone on a few occasions and I must say the guy is classy and as seen by his responses on this topic looks out for other folks and demands honesty. Which is what impressed me about this site and others as everyone seemed to be going for the betterment of all. I have read somewhere else that someone considered this slander and bashing but the truth ain't slander but lies are lies. Also that I should have tryed to work it out. Beleive me I tryed for over a week with no movemaent on the other end.I would also like to say "Thanks" to Terry for letting this run and get aired out. As Vintage Bears said this is a small circle and friendship and honest trading should prevail. I have collected Archery items since the late 80s got out of it for several years but got the bug again a little over a year ago. Maybe I should have not got back in?? Anyway if this helps someone else avoid a mishap like this it's all worth it and remember buisness is buisness as Phil said getting it in writing probably is a good idea.
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Where are the 15 other people with $3500 on the wait list for this bow?
Hope the signatures and stickbowman are real.
If they are turn out to be forgeries, this creeps me out.
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I gotta believe there never were 15, it was hyperbole. I'm beggining to think this feller had me in his sights-WHACK!!!!!!!!! You guys in Maryland know how to Tar & Feather ???
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Given the issues that have now been made known. You are not going to have those 15 or 19 people surface. It's very unfortunate.
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keep your anger at one person ........not a state! now i am offended and you dont want to piss me off without justification. I am now taking that comment personal. Be careful where you point your finger..there's teeth in this direction. Now this thread is going the wrong direction!
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I understand the MD comment now. Thanks for clarifying.
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I have an honest question, what is the price difference in value between a perfect "A" riser that's been signed (obviously somewhere around $3500)and one that has been repaired or restored??
I have no brand in this fire, most of you know I can't afford an A or B wood riser regardless of condition... unless I sell off everything else and I like having a wide variety of vintage bows so that's not happening
I am only curious, so if no one wants to answer here please PM me
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Hi Kurt.
My opinion here.
A signed riser is NOT worth $3500 or $2500 for that matter.
A really nice original A or B riser will sell between $1500-$2000. I recently sold a magnificent original A riser for $1500.
I could of got a couple hundred more if I shopped it but was happy to let a fellow collector have it.
The notion of these crazy prices recently being the norm is insane.
I paid $2500 for a signed original B riser recently. Thats alot of money but I wanted it because it was not only completely original but knew the signature was genuine.
It was on **** in 2 seperate auctions for $3500 with no bids at all.
.....Philip
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Thank You Phillip for answering with your personal experience.
Allowing others to see what one of the better known collectors actually pays or charges is always a valuable lesson.
I guess I was trying to put a $ amount on the difference.
There always seems to be a "hot" collectable bow sometimes you can watch the ups and downs like the 59K or the 64/65K's and now A and B handles seems like some of those prices might of been a touch over inflated looking back...
I have never been lucky enough to sell a bow at the high $ mark
I have been lucky in buying some great bows at their low though lol
This more about misrepresentation than buying high or low though......
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I posted this on May 31 -Very confused about this thread. PM please.
I hoped to get an explanation from the buyer or seller or both. This is why I asked for a PM publicly instead of sending 2 PMs.
Guess what? To date it looks like somebody got out of Dodge faster than a New York minute. I got a bunch of PMs, but they only came from one side.
I am not confused, but I now have a migraine. (And I didn't even lose a mortgage payment!)
Still open to a good explanation from the seller or his legal staff ....
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Kurt,
A Stickbowman is a bit of a different animal given how rare they are on handles. Only 20-30 have beed said to exhist by the late Al Reader. For this reason prices are a bit more than the average signature. One of few bows that I was willing to pay a price for a good one. If I came across a bow that was owned, and shot by Fred himself it may be on my top dollar list. Prices are up on handles. Plain Jane type 1 are bringing $2000+ and don't trip my trigger as a collector, but do for others. Recently a well known collector paid almost $3500 for a signed type 2 on the big site. Comes down to willing seller/willing buyer. It's an old business philosophy. On the big site, all it takes is 2 people who want the item bad enough to drive prices up. A bow with holes, or filled holes tend to drop prices drasticly for collectors.
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Never had anything to do with the other guy, But did have a great buying experience with Papabear recently. Good people. Hang in there Gary
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Come on Rich,at this point its all tongne in cheek lets not get into politically correct crap. I'm not angry and was trying to lighten it up.Deals done my butt is sore but will heal-LESSON learned. The refrence was just what folks did to rascals at one time. Heck some places they took body parts off of fellers for certain unsavory deeds.
P.S. Now some of the politicions out their that's something else !!
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Rich, a couple people pointed out that you didn't get was I was trying to say which is understandable. It was not an indictment of your great State or you guys but a joke about policing one of your own.
GS
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in that regard.. i am not a fan of the written word in delicate sensative situations..i am guilty of writing lots of stuff that goes totally misunderstood. only being politically correct here cause ya never know when you'll get "that notice". I will leave you guys to your dilemma. good luck in what ever you can get worked out.
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No problem Rich, for me the deals over.In fact it was over about a week and a half after. I new that and that there would be no solution. Sometime somewhere I'll sell the bow take the hit and go out for steak and lobster. As for now I have it on the rack in plain view as a reminder of how things can go south. Don't wish the guy ill will and hope the cash did him some good.
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No problem Rich, for me the deals over.In fact it was over about a week and a half after. I new that and that there would be no solution. Sometime somewhere I'll sell the bow take the hit and go out for steak and lobster. As for now I have it on the rack in plain view as a reminder of how things can go south. Don't wish the guy ill will and hope the cash did him some good. I'm 61 and to old to worry about this S--t.
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I have no idea how I got two out of this ????
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Hmmmm....somebody is pissed...I hear tell there's talk of legal action.
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Gary,
I will take that handle off your hands some day, and get your steak (fillet mignoin) and lobster dinner. Maybe I will visit WI to pick it up even. It won't be soon, but rest assure I will do my best to obtain the handle some day; if it's not gone. Hope your doing well.
Shane
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Well I have a possible solution to lessen the blow. I went to my accountant yesterday and if I sell the bow at a loss I can deduct the difference on my taxes as long as I have the proof of what I payed which I do in the form of the canceled endorssed check from seller.
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That's great news Gary. You will have to sell this year though.
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How much are you looking to deduct? Maybe I could help you out.
Trap
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Originally posted by TRAP:
How much are you looking to deduct? Maybe I could help you out.
Trap
Trap's willing to take a bullet for you I see :readit:
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Lmao
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Lmao
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Rich......its NOT about being PC....you are confusing that with respect.
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Exactly!
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I guess it best for us to tend to our own forums our own way.