Does anyone have a bow made by Shaefer himself.Id love to see pics and Im sure everyone else would.I was just wondering how many are out there as Ive never seen anyone post a pic or even mention one.
Thanks Izzy
waiting for bbassi to chime in.... oh Brent, you there?
:wavey: :thumbsup:
Takedown is 53@28 (old strike plate removed, and new one put on after the picture was taken).
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/992life/Silvertips/IMG_0460.jpg)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/992life/Silvertips/IMG_0455.jpg)
One piece is 60" marked 56@27 3/4
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Here is one of mine that I have images on this machine anyway.
I have all the original documentation on this one including the original bill of sale and a hand signed letter from Paul indicating why he was going to be the one building this bow.
I think this is the most quiet bow I have ever shot too. It is just like new..............
62" 65 @ 28"
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bbassi got out of work early and is going hunting! :bigsmyl:
I don't have pics anyway. Maxwell might if he's around.
I have wondered why the risers on the takedowns are shaped slightly different?
Was that an earlier style?
I might be wrong, but Tim's takedown looks identical to what Dave W. is turning out these days, but that one peice seems different?
Anyone know if Paul fine tuned his design as he went along? It would only make sense that his workmanship and style evolved. Just wondering.
don't get me wrong: those are all beautiful!!
All of Paul's bows were a little wider in the riser section.
Dave has even slimmed his bows down in the riser area. My most recent riser that I just got back from Dave last week is thinner and more sculpted yet.
Daves bows are slimmer than the Original in the photo if that helps.
It is just amazing on how well they all shoot.........................
Tim, I agree, they are works of art, but made to be used.
I only wish Paul was around to share his thoughts with us.
Nice bow Tim....really nice. Just my draw weight too :D
My original is in pieces. The riser broke back in 96 and the limbs went in 2002:-( Still have the limbs. Was a very sweet bow but I think Dave makes a better bow now. That old bow accounted for my first gator and a very nice Florida 8pt as well as many other deer in the few years it was whole. I now have 3 Windauer Tips in my stable
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Nice bow Tim....really nice. Just my draw weight too :D
Thanks Terry.........
They are all special. This one just has that little something extra.
And I always walk away shaking my head when I shoot it. It is very fast.
Sweet, sweet bows.I like the 1 piece.
Did Paul make very many bows with snake skin?
just emailed some original Silvertip Bow pics to Tim to post for me when he gets some time.
I am posting these for Sergio Venneri
58" 65# Original schafe built . Circa 1984
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Original Schafer 60" 65# , 1985
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original Schafe built this for his father in 1984 , I couldn't talk him out of it. beautiful 60" 60# purpleheart one piece.
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Original Schafer Silvertip, 62" 65#, last Bow Paul built for me in 1992.
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Great pics guys, I love the originals. Dave makes some beautiful bows but theres something about dropping the string on something Paul built.
My one piece still has the elevated rest. It was put on by the previous (original) owner and he used titebond or some other heavy duty glue and I'm wary of removing it with anything that could mess up the finish. It shoots nice off the flipper just fine, so it can stay on for a little while longer.
After seeing these other originals I'm gonna have to start gathering up my spare change for another one.
Guru has one as well, he won the Muzzy with it a few years back. Shawn
I LOVE these Schafer threads! Thanks for those photos, Sergio, any more with Paul??
Wow really nice.Sergio, what is on the back of the gray diamondwood in the pic under the one of Paul?
QuoteOriginally posted by Rich LaBombard:
I LOVE these Schafer threads! Thanks for those photos, Sergio, any more with Paul??
uh oh, you asked for it now! :)
I've got one of Paul's Takedowns. It's 75# @29" and I used it for many years. I went to one of Dave's bows about 4 years ago. I also bought a set of limbs from Dave that were glued up by Paul and finished by Dave. I don't have any pictures of Paul's bow, but can get some one of these days. I still shoot Pauls bow on occasion, and it's killed a lot of animals. I think I had Paul make my bow about 21 years ago. Dave said that it's a different setup. It's a 64" bow that was made with a long riser, and a set of limbs that were normally for a 62"bow.
hi israel; that's just a kind of snake pattern skin eeze type material, that I installed, those limbs are black glass.
Brent, I hae loads of pics of Paul, too many to possibly post! Have a set of 3 sequential pics of Paul shooting his Bow that i could e mailto Tim to post for me. I believe i've shown them before. Also a couple more bows that i can take pics of and post.
Is it just me or does that one piece look just like a Howatt Hi-speed? Beautiful bows though.
Apex, It's not just you. When I first saw that pick of the one piece, my first thought was "Hey, that looks just like a Martin/Howatt Hunter"
Sergio's shots of Paul shooting in front of his home in Kalispell
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Great shots. Thank you. anymore? (hey, if you don't ask...)
;)
Tim,
Any chance you'd sell me that bow??
Just asking...
Peter
QuoteOriginally posted by peter c iacavazzi:
Tim,
Any chance you'd sell me that bow??
Just asking...
Peter
Sorry Brother..........
That ones not for sale :)
I have an open checkbook readily avaiable for any of Pauls originals ..............
And also Daves stuff too if it peaks my interest........
Nice try Pete.I was afraid to ask but Im glad you did.Your story on Paul and Jay was moving and it really made me wish they were still with us.Seems to me Paul was one in a trillion and Ive only learned of him in the last year or so.And Tim since your probably the man to ask are they priced comparably to new ones or are they like a Babe Ruth bat?
I don't have a Schaefer (by Paul or David) but I once had that same surf shirt. :)
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In those other pics he's wearing a Hang Ten shirt. A Montana surfer?
Also, wouldn't his elbow be considered too high by most people these days? Just wondering, from what I heard he had no problem with accuracy but it seems to break some of the "rules" of good form.
QuoteOriginally posted by herkimerhunter:
Nice try Pete.I was afraid to ask but Im glad you did.Your story on Paul and Jay was moving and it really made me wish they were still with us.Seems to me Paul was one in a trillion and Ive only learned of him in the last year or so.And Tim since your probably the man to ask are they priced comparably to new ones or are they like a Babe Ruth bat?
It really depends on the bow............
I like the heavy ones and am always willing to step up and pay for any heavy Tip unless it is just a messed up bow. I think the best analogy would be it's worth what someone is willing to pay.
Some of the bows Sergio has posted are worth quite a bit. I for one would really step up on one of those in the cash dept. They are very nice bows. And the fact they are over 65lbs really gets my attention.
Tim
I would also like to add since this thread really pertains to Silvertips on not only what awesome people Dave and Beth are to deal with.
The fact that it is my opinion that Dave is currently making the finest bow money can buy. His level of talent and improvement in Pauls original design is nothing less than amazing.
That is "MY Opinion".
I just recieved a new 60" 82lb @ 28 TD Silvertip. I can shoot a 685 grain arrow out of that bow that is 31 1/2" Grizzystik Alaskan. Roughly 8.35 Grains per pound.
I am awaiting arrival of a Chronograph as we speak. I will reserve my thoughts on what I think this bow is doing in the feet per second dept until I Chrono it myself.
I anticipate some results that will maybe raise some eyebrows.
Daves bows are tremendous bottomline.
Thought I would just share that is all...............
i totally concur with Tim's Educated opinion on Daves bows!! Paul designed an awesme hunting weapon and Daves hands of a sculptor have brought them to another level, one that Paul would be proud of!
ttt
Paul built this bow for me in the summer of 1991. It is a 62" Silvertip, 65# @ 28".
Limbs are marked: # 1893
Is that the number of the bow? You would think he would have marked the riser if it was the bow number.
(http://members.cox.net/rockfisherman/public/SchaeferBow1.jpg)
(http://members.cox.net/rockfisherman/public/SchaeferBow2.jpg)
My bad. Don't know what I was thinking, black limbs on a black background. :confused: Here's a couple pics of the bow strung.
(http://members.cox.net/rockfisherman/public/SchaeferBow3.jpg)
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the Man is a Legend!, and the main reason i got into traditional archery to start with!
the bows are amazing, i think if i ever had a chance at a Cape Buff or Grizz id have to have one of his bows in my hand!
some great bows you guy's have got there!
Chuck; his elbow is high and his Bow arm slightly low because we were shooting down hill at 30 yds that Day. His form and release were absolutely flawless. Trust me after 30 yds he left me in his dust! LOL
I've been asked several times what my bow is worth, but have no idea. Not that I would sell mine, but what are they worth now? Mine is a 64" takedown and it's 75# @29". The number on the limbs is 770. Does anyone have a guess?
Treeghost
In the pics of Paul shooting it looks like he is shooting split finger I had aways thought he shot 3 under did he change at some point?
Paul always shot split finger with a high anchor point.
By the way nice bow rockfisherman!
I to must say that I have been inspired by the stories of paul and wish that I could have met him. I just got my first silvertip back in october and I just love it. Dave and beth are the nicest people to deal with. The bow was every thing I asked for and more. Thanks for all the great pic and stories.
The bowyer in me noticed that the shelf of his bows is in the middle of the riser. Anybody else do this? I always put the middle of the riser in the deepest part of the grip, which puts the shelf 1 1/2" above the middle. Chad
Mike; don't really recall what type of glove he used, but i think it was a deerskin damascus type glove. You would think that with the draw weight he used that he would have prefered a type with the inserts in the finger stalls.His strength was incredible. One time when I stayed at his plce for a couple of Days , he had his barbell loaded with weights on the floor of the upstairs level of his home. The barbell ( loaded ) was blocking the door way to the bedroom and i proceeded to try and roll it out of the way , Paul watched me struggle for a few seconds then came over picked it up and moved it!! I was much younger and stronger then, and was using a 70# Silvertip !!???
Another time we were in his shop retillering my bows for 3 fingers under, after respraying the sanded areas and we were standing about just chatting Bowhunting, he found that his telephone cable was broken, so he stripped the outside sheathing off with his thumbnail, while he was talking away.Just classic schafe! I can still hear his chuckle.
I sold mine. :knothead:
It had Relentless Pursuit on the riser.
Does anyone know where it is now? I sold it through Jeff Massie.
Paul made the third one down from the top...
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NICE Slim!
What is the one on the top?
Is that a PBS Medallion on the one towards the bottom?
wow nice set of Silvertips you got there! :clapper: :clapper:
Don; I believe that wood in the 3rd bow from the top is what paul called Arizona Mesquite, I have 2 built from that wood. Wish i knew what it is now called and if its still available. beautiful stable of 'Tips
Gorgeous bows guys...
One day...
Looks familiar.......... :)
Here is one of my racks.........
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Thank you...
Steve O, the top one is the wave option and the one with the medallion is the first comemrative bow Dave made in memorence of Paul Schafer. The medallion is a head of a grizzly.
Sergio, the bow Paul made is Dymondwood in a walnut finish.
Nice looking bows Tim...
Good to see them together for riser comparison.
QuoteOriginally posted by Stykbowslim:
Thank you...
Steve O, the top one is the wave option and the one with the medallion is the first comemrative bow Dave made in memorence of Paul Schafer. The medallion is a head of a grizzly.
Sergio, the bow Paul made is Dymondwood in a walnut finish.
Nice looking bows Tim...
Thanks Don you too!
Great thread and great pics. I regularly show these type threads to my wife to prove that i am not the only obsessed archer.
Keep em coming, Jack
Here is a picture that Beth took the time to send to me along with a very nice explanation of the bows and the timeframe involved.
They go left to right...........
1) This red bow is a 56" Savage Deathmaster made by Bob Savage for Paul in Aug of 1974. He made it prior to his BC hunt that year and went on hunting with this 67# bow for a couple more years to come. I believe he took a moose, sheep and goat with this bow and other animals in that time frame. Paul at this time was learning from Bob and I believe helping out in his shop. This bow had glass running the whole length of the target side.
2)This green bow was built by Paul most likely in that same time frame. Had history on this bow and have misplaced it. A friend of Paul gave this to us so I will get with him and get that information again. I do know that it is 56" like the red one but does not have glass down the front. The riser is built out of phenolic.
3) The is a very early 60", 87# Silvertip most likely made from Paul's shop on his farm. It has a maple riser and again no glass down the front.
4) This is another early Silvetip built by Paul probably in 76' or 77'. As you can see it has a flared contour so to speak in the upper part of the riser. If you look ahead you see he eventually got rid of that contour. This bow is slightly longer than a 60" but not quite a 62". It has a shedua riser and a very narrow thumb rest overlay.
5) This bow #431 was built in 1982 sometime and made out of bubinga. Most of Paul's one-pieces you see of that era were built out of bubinga with black glass.
6) This bow #1119 was built in the beginning of 1986 and you can see he has switched to using laminated wood in the riser and was offering clear glass in the limbs in addition to the black glass.
7) This is a current 60" Silvertip made by Dave.
8) This is #9 TD recurve which would have been probably built in 80 or earlier. Our records go back only to the #400 and on so can't confirm that for sure. Here again he was using laminated wood. Rarely did Paul build his take-downs with exotics.
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Don; I believe that Bow #2 on your rack was once mine??? does ot have moose horn caps on the limb butts, with bear paw carvings??
Sergio, it was your's, however I had Dave remove the horn caps and refinish the bow.
Sergio once told me that the Deathmaster was just a copy of the Shakespeare Neceda. I disagreed, as mine was quite different. Now, I look at bow #2, Sergio's old bow, and I can see his point. It does strongly resemble the Neceda.
Joe
Impressive photos. Thanks for posting them.
Those are some great bows guys! I'd love to own one of his original bows! Thanks for sharing all! :bigsmyl:
Thank You Beth! and Tim for posting this walk thru memory lane! Nice way to show the evolutin of the Silvertip!!
Im gonna get to shoot one this Thursday for the first time.Ill be ordering a new bow this spring.Itll be my second brand new bow.I have 2 very different bows in mind, either a Shrew or a 1 piece Schafer.That swoop option looks mighty fine.
Here's mine that Paul built for me in '86...my first custom bow and still the bow I compare all others to!
First two critters killed with it in '87....
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And the last 2 I killed with it last year on it's trip home to Montana......
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QuoteOriginally posted by Holm-Made:
The bowyer in me noticed that the shelf of his bows is in the middle of the riser. Anybody else do this? I always put the middle of the riser in the deepest part of the grip, which puts the shelf 1 1/2" above the middle. Chad
okay,,, someone please answer this question as it has caught my attention too.
Here are 2 I picked up at a garage sale. Once I got the camo paint off and the fabric limb covers removed I think they look
pretty nice.
60" 65#
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z143/TimSchoenborn/Tip1.jpg)
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60" 77#
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:biglaugh:
Great thread.
Wow Tim!!! Those are nice.
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One of Schafe's orginals!
First time posting pic, if this is to large let me know.
just out of curiosity, how many schafer bows do you guys have in your collection.
Silvertip's at a yard sale? wow.
Any one ever run across the Bear Take Down risers and limbs Paul built????? bowdoc
QuoteOriginally posted by Rich LaBombard:
Silvertip's at a yard sale? wow.
I think Tim is pulling your leg.
there's got to be other schafers out there. hope to see a few more.
Great pics guys!
I ask Tim to keep an eye out for one in my specs and whad'ya know,,, very next day he finds me one! My luck I was committed to a few bills at that exact time. :banghead:
finally find an original on **** and the seller refuses to ship to canada. oh well, gonna keep searchin.
hey robhood23, lets see a pic of your latest acquisition, you lucked out and found an original. congrats
I will try and post some pics for ya buddy when I get the bow!!
TTT I love going through this thread. Thought it needed to be brought back for others.
Snakebit, I remember this great thread and it was the reason I bought my tip. Great bows, great tradition! Wish some of the photos were still here.
What a cool thread. A tip is next on my wish list for sure!
Great thread,I really would like to find a lefty original!
Cacciatore, pm sent!
Pm answered,thanks.
A friends father has four or five from early on, I will see if he will take pics!!!
:campfire: :coffee:
Nice pics
Very nice pics
Very nice pics
TTT
I had one for a while...an original made by Paul that I purchased off Craigslist. Bow was a 62" recurve with two sets of limbs - both camo. One set was the original set that was purchased with the bow and the second set was from a duplicate "backup" bow that the original owner had purchased, but he had since lost the second riser.
I tried and tried to adjust to the bow, but the grip just did not fit me and I couldn't become consistent with it. I eventually sold it to another tradgang member with both sets of limbs.
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Great Thread!!
Love those oldies. Paul was ahead of his time for sure.
Glad to see this thread brought back up!
What is it about those camo limbs that speaks to me? Got my 1st Tip coming in the mail this week and I am getting antsy. :banghead:
I had an old school tip with camo limbs. It got away :banghead:
QuoteOriginally posted by Izzy:
What is it about those camo limbs that speaks to me? Got my 1st Tip coming in the mail this week and I am getting antsy. :banghead:
We will need pictures and a full report :campfire: :archer:
F-Manny
Resurrecting this one from the grave! Lets see some more originals. Here is my early made one, #135. Very excited to own it!
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I talked to a guy in NV I bought a Windauer Silvertip from who has several of Pauls bows in boxes never put together!!
Very cool piece of history.
One day I'd love to get a bow made by Paul!
Based on the info I received from Beth (bless her heart for putting up with all of my questions), Paul probably made anywhere from 80-100 bows per year. So based on this, I'm guessing he put up about 2500 bows...Just a rough estimate.I believe one of the last serial numbers from Paul was around 2024.
I have and hunt exclusively with a Paul Shafer original. 62" 63# at my 27 1/2 draw length. Fell in love with this bow the first time I ever hit full draw with it. I have never shot any smoother of a bow, it likes heavy arrows and hits with authority. Dead in the hand and I would put it up against any other in terms of quietness! Paul Shafer was way ahead of his time! Dave makes a beautiful bow but I personally like Paul's form much more. I have big hands and the grip just fits. Sure wish he was still around, but I can't imagine how he could ever make improvements on my bow, of course I am sure he would have tried! Rest in peace brother. Gary.
QuoteOriginally posted by SERGIO VENNERI:
i totally concur with Tim's Educated opinion on Daves bows!! Paul designed an awesme hunting weapon and Daves hands of a sculptor have brought them to another level, one that Paul would be proud of!
I agree with Tim and Sergio. I like Dave's newest risers the best.
I was in Montana a few years ago with my son and we stopped by the shop. Dave and Beth welcomed us into their home and we hung out for a while. Great people!
Here are my Silvertips, the picture with the single bow was built by Paul:
http://s46.photobucket.com/user/dunleav1/media/IMG_4735.jpg.html
http://s46.photobucket.com/user/dunleav1/media/IMG_4734.jpg.html
http://s46.photobucket.com/user/dunleav1/media/IMG_4733.jpg.html
QuoteOriginally posted by SERGIO VENNERI:
i totally concur with Tim's Educated opinion on Daves bows!! Paul designed an awesme hunting weapon and Daves hands of a sculptor have brought them to another level, one that Paul would be proud of!
I agree with Tim and Sergio. I like Dave's newest risers the best.
I was in Montana a few years ago with my son and we stopped by the shop. Dave and Beth welcomed us into their home and we hung out for a while. Great people!