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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Wade Phillips on December 07, 2011, 02:51:00 AM
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Do you recognize who it is?
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/T-Shirt.jpg)
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No. Not a shirt I have seen around. Drab colors work better in these parts. So who is the great one?
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He looks familiar. But I say that 10 times a day and am usually wrong. lol
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Gotta be Knick Knickerbocker.If I'm right do I win that over-sized Bear Razorhead?
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Congratulations John -
You are correct, well technically only half correct in that you have his last name correct. "Knick" was his nickname short for "Knickerbocker". His given first name wasn't "Knick"...
I was positive that you would know who he was and thought about eliminating you from this question.
If you want to win the Bear Giant Razorhead, you will have to be the first person to correctly answer each of the next 99 questions... :saywhat:
I have changed the name of this thread to...
Historical Archery Quiz - 100 Questions for JohnnyRazorhead or Anyone Else
I'll try to stay a couple questions ahead of the correct answers to give everyone more than one subject to think about..
We'll post everyone's score after every correct answer.
This should be a lot of fun for everyone.
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OK John, here we go...
Question #2:
What given names do the initials K.K. represent in K.K. Knickerbocker?
John, for Question 1 you get 1/2 point. If you are first to correctly answer this, you will the other 1/2 point Question #1 in addition to the full point for Question #2.
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Question #3
What is the most historically significant thing that K.K. Knickerbocker did for the advancement of Traditional Archery.
Naturally Knickerbocker did this well before the term Traditional Archery was coined.
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Question #4
Name two of the most significant things about the case and/or Grumley 3-Lam Hunter shown in this photograph...
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/Bow.jpg)
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Question #5
Who was Fred Bear's hunting companion on the trip when Fred Bear took his first (earliest) World Record Animal with the bow and arrow?
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Here are my guesses
Answer #3- One of the original purchasers of bear stocks.
Answer #5- Charles (Charlie) Quock with fred's stone sheep?
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tuscarawasbowman:
Your quesses...
Answer #2-Ken Knickerbocker
Kenneth was KKK's first name. We'll give you 1/2 of question #2 as the middle initial of KKK is still unsolved
You also get 1/2 of Question #1 for your almost complete "Ken" answer.
Answer #3- One of the original purchasers of bear stocks.
Congratulations, you are on the ball. You get 1 point for Question #3.
Answer #5- Charles (Charlie) Quock with fred's stone sheep?
Sorry, your answer is incorrect for Question #5
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 unsolved
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - unsolved
Quesiton #5 - unsolved
Totals
1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2 - tuscarawasbowman
Question 5 is an easy one, just figure out which of Fred Bear's one time World Records was the first one, then figure out who was his hunting companion on that trip...
Question #5
Who was Fred Bear's hunting companion on the trip when Fred Bear took his first (earliest) World Record Animal with the bow and arrow?
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Alright,#1)I do know Knickerbockers first name and agree with tuskarawasbowman,it was Ken,not sure of the 2nd "K" in the name.How about Kurt?
#3)Also agree that he was one of the original stockholders in Bear Archery.
#4)The Grumley has the fish-tail splice showing from underneath the grip and,the case is like none I have ever seen and both belonged to K.K. Knickerbocker.That is very significant.
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I thought Charles Quock was correct for #5 too.There was an earlier world record shot by Fred?
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
I thought Charles Quock was correct for #5 too.There was an earlier world record shot by Fred?
Yes, there was...
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John,
You get credit for #4,
The splice is showing under the grip, however it is a very unusual splice.
Yes, both the unusual case and the Grumley bow were personal belongs of KKK and both are stamped with his name and city.
Question #2 - 1/2 is unanswered correctly
Question #5 - still unanswered correctly
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Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear
Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
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Question #6-Would that be Bob Munger?His name popped into my brain when I read that question so I'll go with it before researching if I'm wrong.
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Question #5-Is the answer Jim Henderson?
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you got me on 5 wade. Even Dick Lattimers book lists the stone sheep before others. Looks like I have some learning to do...lol.
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John - Results of your answers...
Answer #6 Wrong
Answer #5 Wrong
Try again
Question #2 - 1/2 is unanswered correctly
Question #5 - still unanswered correctly
Question #6 - still unanswered correctly
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Hey Wade,
Is #6 Dick Mauch
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Hink
Sorry your answer for #6 is wrong.
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Kenneth Kermit Knickerbocker
This is fun.
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tuscarawasbowman
So much for these off the top of your head answers...
You are beginning to look in books for these answers....
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - unsolved
Question #6 - unsolved
Totals
1-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
Question #5
Who was Fred Bear's hunting companion on the trip when Fred Bear took his first (earliest) World Record Animal with the bow and arrow?
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear
Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
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My bad wade I didn't know you wanted off the top of your head. Please deduct my points for answers 1 and 2. Again sorry was just enjoying research didn't mean to ruin the game.
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tuscarawasbowman
By all means you should use reference books to look up the answers.
I was just joking as the wrong answers are either just off the top of your head or the result of incomplete research...
Keep digging for those answers. That's what you should be doing.
As you dig, you will learn a lot more that is not being asked....
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So much for things that pop into my brain.Time to go research.
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#5-Charlie Kroll?
Ed Bilderback?
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John -
#5 Sorry both answers are incorrect.
You were closer with an earlier answer...
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - unsolved
Question #6 - unsolved
Totals
1-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
Question #5
Who was Fred Bear's hunting companion on the trip when Fred Bear took his first (earliest) World Record Animal with the bow and arrow?
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear
Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
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Question #7
Who was Fred's hunting companion when he made his second movie?
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Question #8
Who were Fred's hunting companions on the trip when he killed his first Cape Buffalo?
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Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
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I believe the answer to #5 is Lon Imeson, when Fred shot his world record elk in Wyoming in 1954. Charlie Kroll was also in camp.
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#8 I believe was Wally Johnson, along with Bob Halmi and Zoli Vidor, the two New York photographers.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
I believe the answer to #5 is Lon Imeson, when Fred shot his world record elk in Wyoming in 1954. Charlie Kroll was also in camp.
bowhawk archer -
Before he ever killed an elk, Fred took an animal that was later formally recognized as the P&Y World Record animal ...
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
#8 I believe was Wally Johnson, along with Bob Halmi and Zoli Vidor, the two New York photographers.
bowhawk archer -
Your answer is accurate in that Wally Johnson was Fred's PH and Bob Halmi and Zoli Vidor were the photographers...
However, Question #8 is
Who were Fred's hunting companions on the trip when he killed his first Cape Buffalo?
Meaning, who were the other hunters who went with Fred on this trip. Sorry that I wasn't more clear on the meaning of Hunting Companions in the question...
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Really enjoying this Wade....thanks for posting the questions. I will make my best effort on one of them:
Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words) but never published a photograph of with the kill
African lion
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Will take a stab at #7. Fred's first film was at Blaney Park, where he shot the Friday the 13th buck. I believe his second film was a moose hunt with Knickerbocker in 1945. My fingers are crossed.
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Try #8 again. His hunting companions were Bill Wright,Dick Mauch, K.K.Knickerbocker, andBob Munger.
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Originally posted by jcar315:
Really enjoying this Wade....thanks for posting the questions. I will make my best effort on one of them:
Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words) but never published a photograph of with the kill
African lion [/b]
Sorry, the answer is incorrect. There is more than one photograph of Fred with his Lion.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
Will take a stab at #7. Fred's first film was at Blaney Park, where he shot the Friday the 13th buck. I believe his second film was a moose hunt with Knickerbocker in 1945. My fingers are crossed.
bowhawk archer -
#7 You are correct, Knick (Fred's nickname for Knickerbocker), was Fred's hunting partner on the hunt when Fred finished up Fred's second film.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
Try #8 again. His hunting companions were Bill Wright,Dick Mauch, K.K.Knickerbocker, andBob Munger.
bowhawk archer -
#8 Again correct.
You are on a roll....
Let's do a follow up question so we cover all the men in Fred's party who made the trip...
Question #10
In addition to the men mentioned, who was the other man who traveled to Africa on this trip, but was not a hunter on the trip, nor employed by Bear Archery...
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - unsolved
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - unsolved
Totals
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
2 - - - bowhawk archer
1-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5
Who was Fred Bear's hunting companion on the trip when Fred Bear took his first (earliest) World Record Animal with the bow and arrow?
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #10
In addition to the men mentioned, who was the other man who traveled to Africa on this trip, but was not a hunter on the trip, nor employed by Bear Archery... but yet was employed by the company he worked for to make the trip (sounds like the job to have.)
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
you got me on 5 wade. Even Dick Lattimers book lists the stone sheep before others. Looks like I have some learning to do...lol.
If Dick's book lists the date for Fred's Stone Sheep, before two other World Record Animals that Fred took there is one or more typos on the dates in Dick's book.
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Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y because another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, the other bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
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#5-Knickerbocker?
#6-Glenn St. Charles
Sheep
#9-Rhino
#10-Jim Crowe
Detroit News writer
#11-moose
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
#5-Knickerbocker?
#6-Glenn St. Charles
Sheep
#9-Rhino
#10-Jim Crowe
Detroit News writer
#11-moose
John -
#5 Knickerbocker? - Correct, why the question mark
#6 Incorrect, Glenn never killed a sheep
#9 Incorrect
#10 Jim Crowe Detroit News writer - Correct
#11 Incorrect but your answer was close
Congratulations John, you have just taken over the lead...
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
2 - - - bowhawk archer
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y because another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, the other bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
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Reworded Question #9 a bit to be clearer
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good griff man I can't remember what I did 10 minutes ago how the heck do you expect me to know all this ? bd
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Question #11 - Caribou
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Gonna take a stab at the other 2
6- Dr. Judd Grindell - 2 caribou
9- One of freds polar bears.
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The ? for Knickerbocker was because I wasn't quite sure if it was him or not but since my Jim Henderson answer was "close" I figured it had to be one of Fred's early hunting companions and Knick seemed to be the most logical as I don't recall Grumley or any other of Fred's hunting companions hunting with him other than around Michigan for white-tail deer and I don't believe Fred ever shot a world record white-tail.So I was pretty sure it was Knick but not 100% positive.
#11- How about an elk
#6- I seem to remember reading about the one arrow-two kill shot but I can't recall who it was or where I read it.I need to do some more looking.
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Bud Gray ? OK I don't know I was just tossing that one around.And nope Wade is correct Glenn never did kill a sheep.Mountian goat yes sheep nope bd
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Question #9: What about a Polar bear?
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Question #11 - Caribou
Sorry, Incorrect answer.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Gonna take a stab at the other 2
6- Dr. Judd Grindell - 2 caribou
9- One of freds polar bears.
Sorry Answer #6 is incorrect. Judd shot two arrows, a long shot and the second closer, they dropped within 15 yards of each other. Great photograph of Judd with the two caribou on the 1959 Little Delta Hunt.
Sorry Answer #9 is incorrect. Fred never recovered the Polar Bear he hit that went under the ice. That story is not in his Field Notes, but is on an unpublished video tape.
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
The ? for Knickerbocker was because I wasn't quite sure if it was him or not but since my Jim Henderson answer was "close" I figured it had to be one of Fred's early hunting companions and Knick seemed to be the most logical as I don't recall Grumley or any other of Fred's hunting companions hunting with him other than around Michigan for white-tail deer and I don't believe Fred ever shot a world record white-tail.So I was pretty sure it was Knick but not 100% positive.
#11- How about an elk
#6- I seem to remember reading about the one arrow-two kill shot but I can't recall who it was or where I read it.I need to do some more looking.
John, Sorry both answers are incorrect
#11 - is not an elk
#6 - you will recognize the bowhunter's name when you see it. Keep reading and enjoying yourself.
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Originally posted by Pack animal:
Question #9: What about a Polar bear?
Question #9 Sorry Polar Bear is not correct.
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Question still unanswered correctly
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y because another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, the other bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
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Question #12
What distinctive & unique characteristic can be used to identify Fred Bear's first Cape Buffalo.
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Question #13
Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
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#12 The buffalo had green paint ground into his horns from slamming the vehicle Fred anf the hunting party were in.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
#12 The buffalo had green paint ground into his horns from slamming the vehicle Fred anf the hunting party were in.
bowhawk archer
Answer #12 You are correct and move up to second place... only 1/2 point behind the leader, JohhnyRazorhead
Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
We still have 4 unsolved questions...
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#6-Bob Munger
deer
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Mastrangle killed the P&Y Record Grizzly a week after Bear's.
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If I remember correctly, Fred Bear did claim his grizzly to be the first taken with bow since Art Young's.
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Originally posted by Liquid Amber:
If I remember correctly, Fred Bear did claim his grizzly to be the first taken with bow since Art Young's.
Cliff - I'm sorry, your answer to Question #11 is incorrect.
Question #11 was...
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y because another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, the other bowmen received the award.
Fred's 1956 Grizzly (score 17-10/16) was not a World Record at the time it was killed as these two previous animals were both larger...
1920 - 24-14/16 - Art Young
1920 - 20-00/16 - Saxton Pope
Mastrangel's 1956 Grizzly scored between Pope's & Young's
1956 - 24-9/16 - Bob Mastrangel
Even Fred's second Grizzly in the Record Book was not as large as Young's, nor Mastrangel's.
1961 - 20-1/16 - Fred Bear
I'm certain you will figure out the correct answer to Question #11...
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
#6-Bob Munger
deer
John - I'm not aware that Bob Munger killed two deer with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear.
Was this a guess, or do you know of such an event? If so please cite the year and the publication where the event was documented (unless of course you were there and this is just an eyewitness testimony you have never mentioned before). :eek:
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Wade- My answer to #6 was a guess.I seem to remember reading about the two animals with one arrow I just can't recall where I read it.I thought maybe it was in Munger's book.I looked through it a bit last night trying to find it but didn't.I will need to keep trying evidently.
These quiz's make my head hurt!! LOL :banghead:
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Wade, Isn't 1/2 of #2 still unsolved?
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spirit lead- No, I had the answer and deleted my post due to me misunderstanding one of wade's posts. I'll repost it.
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Wade- You were 100% right about finding other stuff that is not being asked. I've learned a lot more already. Still digging.
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I'll play, is #11 Canada Moose?
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1920 - 24-14/16 - Art Young
1920 - 20-00/16 - Saxton Pope
I wasn't counting them. They weren't taken on a hunt meeting P&Y's "fair chase" clause, they were killed under a special collection permit in a Federal Park for habituated bears and didn't meet "In complete compliance with the controlling state/provincial hunting regulations." The permit allowed them to operate outside the hunting regulations enforced upon everyone else.
Fred Bear and Mastrangle's grizzlies meet P&Y entry standards.
Do you believe Pope and Young's grizzlies meet the Club Standards?
Why is it this subject is such a taboo to discuss in public?
I don't believe correcting the information in any way "tarnishes" the image of Pope and Young, but do believe it an injustice to continue to perpetuate inaccuracies.
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Originally posted by Liquid Amber:
Do you believe Pope and Young's grizzlies meet the Club Standards?
Cliff -
I'm smart enough not to bite on that subject. The P&Y Club can decide what meets their standards and what doesn't.
I generally try to deal in facts, not political discussions.
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Originally posted by Lucas K:
I'll play, is #11 Canada Moose?
Lucas - Sorry your answer is not correct.
Fred's 1945 Canada Moose was the World Record from the inception of the P&Y Club until 1965 when a larger animal of this species was recorded.
Check the entries in the 1975, First Edition P&Y Record Book for a grasp on the earliest entries that were recorded.
Knowing what we know today, your answer is an excellent one when one considers later Record Books and the fact that a later entry sheds a different light on this matter.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
We still have 4 Questions to answer...
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y because another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, the other bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
Question #13
Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
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#9- African lion
#11-Polar bear
#13-Bass Pro Shop in Missouri
Still can't think of who might be the answer to #6.It's driving me crazy!! :banghead:
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Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Wade, would like to try again on the quiz: Capt. Ed Bilderback and the animal(s) were crows
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is # 11 Mountain Caribou?
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Point taken. :)
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
#9- African lion
#11-Polar bear
#13-Bass Pro Shop in Missouri
Still can't think of who might be the answer to #6.It's driving me crazy!! :banghead:
John -
Sorry all three answers are incorrect...
Try again
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Originally posted by jcar315:
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Wade, would like to try again on the quiz: Capt. Ed Bilderback and the animal(s) were crows
John - Sorry your answer is not correct. We are looking for two animals, rather then birds.
I don't remember hearing about Ed Bilderback killing two crows with a single arrow. Is that a fact recorded in a publication or was that a guess?
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Originally posted by Lucas K:
is # 11 Mountain Caribou?
Lucas - Sorry, your answer is not correct. Fred's Mountain Caribou was the World Record from the time it was killed in 1957 until 1968 when a larger one was taken.
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Wade, I have watched my Fred Bear DVDs too many times to count and Capt. Ed and Bob Munger hunt crows in one of the Kodiak hunts.
Wasn't a "wild guess" but more of an "educated guess" from my memory. I will make a point of paying closer attention next time.
Really enjoying the quiz. Thanks again.
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Question #14 -
What is this item?
Who is the historical archery person connected to this item.
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Number 11- Freds Dall sheep from the 1958 little Delta Hunt. Bud Gray killed a larger sheep during the same hunt. The Picture of the 1960 awards shows Bud's sheep. A very shortlived world record if this is the right answer.
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Question 13- In wade Phillips collection :laughing:
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y. Another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, another bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
Question #13
Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #14 -
What is this item?
Who is the historical archery person connected to this item.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Number 11- Freds Dall sheep from the 1958 little Delta Hunt. Bud Gray killed a larger sheep during the same hunt. The Picture of the 1960 awards shows Bud's sheep. A very shortlived world record if this is the right answer.
tuscarawasbowman - Pretty good guess, but sorry your answer is not correct.
In 1923, Art Young killed a larger Dall Sheep than Fred's. And in 1957 Martin Hanson killed a larger one too. So Fred's Dall Sheep was never a record as two larger rams were already killed when Fred took his in 1958.
Bud Gray's 1958 Ram exceeded both Young's and Hanson's rams.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Question 13- In wade Phillips collection :laughing:
tuscarawasbowman: Funny answer, I wish it were correct, but unfortunately your answer is incorrect.
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Dang I thought I had 11 in the bag. Back to the books.
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I just came across this thread. I am not with my books, so I won't throw out any guesses on most questions.
I do believe that number 14 is a bracelet made from the hair on an elephants tail, taken after the kill. As far as whose it is, that is a question I would have to guess on because I do not know what each successful hunters bracelet looked like.
My first guess would be Bill Negley.
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Number 11 is bothering me. I do not have the records book with me, but I have read through the entries a few times, and I know that many of Fred's entries do not even meet the current minimums. I have eliminated most species, but do not want to guess for fear of being wrong.
Earlier you said someone's answer Moose was close, so I do not know what that means. Someone said Caribou and that was wrong (I am assuming this means all species). Unless I missed something, the only entry for any moose by Fred Bear was his Canada Moose. Some of his Alaska-Yukon Moose look large, but I did not see any entries in the book.
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Am I correct that the animal in question for #11 was shot after 1961? For it to be a P&Y award.
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Missaukee- I don't believe so. Bud gray's Dall sheep was shot in 1958 and was listed as the World Record at the first awards.
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
I just came across this thread. I am not with my books, so I won't throw out any guesses on most questions.
I do believe that number 14 is a bracelet made from the hair on an elephants tail, taken after the kill. As far as whose it is, that is a question I would have to guess on because I do not know what each successful hunters bracelet looked like.
My first guess would be Bill Negley.
You are correct for 1/2 of #14 is a bracelet made from the hair on an elephants tail.
However, you are incorrect for the other 1/2 in that Bill Negley is not connected to the bracelet.
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
Am I correct that the animal in question for #11 was shot after 1961? For it to be a P&Y award.
Re-read the question, I clarified the sentences a bit...
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y. Another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, another bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
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Mr.Phillips, Your PM box is full.
Chuck
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Wade, I believe I understand more clearly now. I will wait until I get to the P&Y book tonight to find the answer, no more guesses.
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#6, Maybe Raymond "Hap" Fling shooting two pheasants.
#11 the alaskan Brown Bear on Kodiak Island in 1960
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#13 with Ted Nugent?
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other 1/2 of #14 Fred Bear
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#14 Art Young
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Swinehart had a good luck bracelet made from hair taken from the tail of an elephant he killed. He is shown wearing it on his left wrist in several photos.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1/2 Missaukee
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6
Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9
What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11
Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y. Another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, another bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
Question #13
Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #14 -
What is this item?
Who is the historical archery person connected to this item.
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Question #15
Dec 15, 2011 is the 100th Birthday of this archery legend.
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Originally posted by Liquid Amber:
Swinehart had a good luck bracelet made from hair taken from the tail of an elephant he killed. He is shown wearing it on his left wrist in several photos.
The other 1/2 of Question #15 is not Bob Swinehart.
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Wow! Tough questions Wade-you realize it has taken 8 pages so far to get about as many correct answers!
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#15 is Glenn St. Charles
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I initially thought Barren Ground Caribou, but someone answered caribou and that was incorrect, so I second guessed my self. I double checked the book when I returned home last night and I am going with it. Fred shot his in 1959, Bill Brown had a larger one in 1960 before the first P&Y awards ceremony.
Of note is that Fred's 1956 Rocky Mountain Goat was the largest in the book as of 1956, I am not sure the order of entry with NFAA entries but technically as of 1956 Fred had sort of a World Record for this species.
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
I initially thought Barren Ground Caribou, but someone answered caribou and that was incorrect, so I second guessed my self. I double checked the book when I returned home last night and I am going with it. Fred shot his in 1959, Bill Brown had a larger one in 1960 before the first P&Y awards ceremony.
Of note is that Fred's 1956 Rocky Mountain Goat was the largest in the book as of 1956, I am not sure the order of entry with NFAA entries but technically as of 1956 Fred had sort of a World Record for this species.
Missaukee -
Not sure which edition of the P&Y record book you are referencing, but check the First Edition, 1975 for Rocky Mountain Goat...
Note...
42-2/8 - Wm Mastrangel - 1956
39-2/8 - Fred Bear - - - 1956
And your final answer is.... ???
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Originally posted by wadde:
#15 is Glenn St. Charles
Steve - Correct Answer
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=005189
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Originally posted by Jon Stewart:
#14 Art Young
Sorry, Incorrect
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Originally posted by spirit lead:
other 1/2 of #14 Fred Bear
spirit lead - Correct Answer for Question #14
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Originally posted by Jon Stewart:
#13 with Ted Nugent?
Sorry Incorrect
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Originally posted by Liquid Amber:
Swinehart had a good luck bracelet made from hair taken from the tail of an elephant he killed. He is shown wearing it on his left wrist in several photos.
Sorry, Not Swinehart
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Question #16
Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - unsolved
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 spirit lead
Question #15 - 1 wadde
Question #16 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1 - - - wadde
1/2 - - Missaukee
1/2 - - spirit lead
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6 - Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9 - What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill
Question #11 - Name the animal that Fred Killed that was a World Record at the time he killed it, but was never recognized as a World Record by P&Y. Another bowmen killed a larger animal later the same year and when P&Y gave the World Record awards, another bowmen received the award.
Fred being the true gentleman that he always was, never mentioned this fact nor claimed this animal to be a short lived World Record, even though it truly was.
Question #13 - Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #14 - What is this item?
Who is the historical archery person connected to this item.
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Question #16 - Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
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#15- Glenn St. Charles
#6-Keith Clemmons-caribou
#16-Floyd Eccleston
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
#15- Glenn St. Charles
#6-Keith Clemmons-caribou
#16-Floyd Eccleston
John - Sorry#15 was already answered correctly by wadde
#6, Sorry incorrect
#16 Sorry incorrect
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I noted that Swinehart had an elephant tail hair bracelet, not that the one shown was his. Looking at the photo you provided and photos of Swinehart's bracelet, I couldn't see any difference. I figured the answer you was wanting was Bear, but decided to mention there was another historical archery person with a very similar bracelet.
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Wally Johnson. Freds Professional hunter in Africa when he took his elephant,lion and buff.
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#11-Stone Sheep
#13-Bear Mountain Ski Park or in Storage Ocala Fl.
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#16 Mrs. Bear
#9 Turkey ??
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Sorry - All four of the answers above from today, Dec 15, are incorrect.
We still have 5 unanswered questions...
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#11-antelope
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#13-Detroit Archers clubhouse
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I must have missed the other 1956 Goat. My final answer was Barren Ground Caribou, but now I am changing it to Rocky Mountain Goat given the information you presented.
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Originally posted by wadde:
#11-antelope
Sorry, Incorrect
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Originally posted by wadde:
#13-Detroit Archers clubhouse
Sorry, Incorrect
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
I must have missed the other 1956 Goat. My final answer was Barren Ground Caribou, but now I am changing it to Rocky Mountain Goat given the information you presented.
Your revised or second Final Answer is Correct, Rocky Mountain Goat. Shall I give you the full one point for your answer? :) Just joking of course. I'm just pleased that someone cares about it and is still awake.
It took some research to come up with this unpublished fact...
In one of many conversations with Dick Lattimer after his books were published, I mentioned this apparently unknown fact to him, and he was dumbfounded that he had completely missed it and have never known about it.
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Question #17 - Name a married bowhunting couple who have each in their own right, killed a big game animal that was the #1 animal for its species in the B&A killed records. You must name the hunters, and the animal that each took, and the year the animals were taken. Dig out those record books.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - 1 Missaukee
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 spirit lead
Question #15 - 1 wadde
Question #16 - unsolved
Question #17 - unsolved
Totals
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3 - - - bowhawk archer
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1-1/2 - Missaukee
1 - - - wadde
1/2 - - spirit lead
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6 - Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9 - What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill.
Question #13 - Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #14 - What is this item?
Who is the historical archery person connected to this item.
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Question #16 - Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
Question #17 - Name a married bowhunting couple who have each in their own right, killed a big game animal that was the #1 animal for its species in the B&A killed records. You must name the hunters, and the animal that each took, and the year the animals were taken. Dig out those record books.
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Thanks for this quiz Wade! Lot of fun. I only wish I had internet at my house, and the time to look for all the answers. I am very disappointed in the Rocky Mountain Goat mistake. I only glanced at it twice and darned if I missed the other 1956 entry, I should have known better than to answer Barren Ground Caribou when you said the animals were killed in the same year. Keep the questions coming.
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The worst thing, is that all the questions have answers that I have heard or read or seen, but to locate them I have to look back through all the books, magazines, videos, etc. Lots of fun!
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#17-Dick and Carol Mauch-
Dick- Mule deer
Carol-White-tail
Now there's a guess!!
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#17 is:
Dick Mauch - Wyoming Moose
Carol Mauch - Pronghorn
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Question #17 - Name a married bowhunting couple who have each in their own right, killed a big game animal that was the #1 animal for its species in the B&A killed records. You must name the hunters, and the animal that each took, and the year the animals were taken. Dig out those record books.
I don't see any years on either of the above posts...
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#17 Dick Mauch- Wyoming Moose in 1959
Carol Mauch- Quebec-Labrador Caribou-1984
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Hello Wade,
I read your question from the post dated:
18-12-2011 12:03 PM
There you do not ask for the year in #17. I see your original question asked for the year. Oh well.
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I did the same as Missaukee,didn't see where the year was asked for in the question.Guessded the Mauch's but had different game animals than the other two contestants.I said it was a guess!If it is the Mauch's that should be 1/2 point for JR.
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Oops... I got Carol Mauch confused with Judd Cooney...I was wrong anyway
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Missaukee- Regarding the Mountain goat question I give you a big :thumbsup: . Way to go man!
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
#17 Dick Mauch- Wyoming Moose in 1959
Carol Mauch- Quebec-Labrador Caribou-1984
bowhawk archer -
#17 - Correct Answer
Tell us how you arrived at your correct answer...
I really thought that this one would be a pretty difficult one for anyone to answer correctly.
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
Oops... I got Carol Mauch confused with Judd Cooney...I was wrong anyway
Missaukee: I won't tell Carol that you confused her with Judd Cooney... :biglaugh: On second thought, maybe I will tell her, she has a great sense of humor.
No points will be deducted from your score for that incorrect answer.
Sorry I left out the last part of the question when I copied it, as you mentioned, the answer was wrong anyway.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Missaukee- Regarding the Mountain goat question I give you a big :thumbsup: . Way to go man!
tuscarawasbowman: - Thanks.
We all should say...
Way to go Fred Bear, 7 World Records...
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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OK you gotta tell us what year for #6 PhD Phillips you did not say we had to answer that part so gotta give it up.
#9 half eaten bear two days later canada or mich ?
and you all see why bowdoc did not do so well in school huh ? yeah all this week I was still praticing on printing my name and the date correctly and neatly on my paper for the good doctor PhD Phillips and the friggen test is almost over.Keep em comen big daddy ....... hey maybe just maybe we should have a handicap section you know member the kids who always had to set in the special area of the class room or at the very front cause he was a knucklehead ? yeah I know that kid well bd
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Wade, I figured it was Dick and Carol. Located Dick's name in the record book on the moose, and I actually found Carol's name with the caribou on the internet. I've been beating what brains I have on trying to locate the unanswered questions, but so far I have come up with nothing.
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OK Doc -
I'll think of an easy one for the handicapped section...
Question #18 - This is a hands on (no not that kind of hands on Doc)
Post a photograph of Fred Bear with a prototype Super Kodiak and tell us what makes it different than the production model that year.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - 1 Missaukee
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 spirit lead
Question #15 - 1 wadde
Question #16 - unsolved
Question #17 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #18 - unsolved
Totals
4 - - - bowhawk archer
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1-1/2 - Missaukee
1 - - - wadde
1/2 - - spirit lead
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6 - Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9 - What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill.
Question #13 - Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #14 - .. (http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/Question.png)
Question #16 - Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
Question #18 - Post a photograph of Fred Bear with a prototype Super Kodiak and tell us what makes it different than the production model that year.
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#18 This Super Kodiak is much blockier, especially when viewed from the back side where the overlays really square off when they meet the limbs. I guess this may be a proto for the 67 Super K and is somewhat reminiscent of a 66 Kodiak in overall riser contours. Don
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Missaukee - #18 Correct Answer.
That was almost too easy for you....
Question #19 - Is a blood relative of Fred Bear's pictured in "The Archers Bible"? If so what page and how are they related?
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Question #20 - Name another document and year that also has a cover photo of Fred with a Prototype Super Kodiak and describe the differences between that bow and production Super Kodiak...
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Question #21 - "The Archers Bible" page 157, identify the person (position in the group and name) in the photograph whose name appears on a patent as the inventor of one of the most commonly known Bear Archery products every made...
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Once again, I am trying to answer these questions without the aide of my books as I am away. I would love to collect on these questions but need my books, aww what the heck...
Freebie for someone else to collect on if they have the book:
#19 - Yes. Page #? Father.
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Page 62
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#19 Page 62, Fred Bear's father.
#21 Ed Henkel, Bear Broadhead.
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#20 "Fred Bear Hunts Nebraska" magazine. Bow has a more scooped out look to front of the riser, and limbs are wider.
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I am impressed.You guys are really on the ball.
Everyone is answering correctly tonight.
A record, four posts in a row above with no incorrect answers (although some are incomplete). I'm having a trouble coming up with the proper scoring credit for #19, but will get to that tomorrow.
Question #21 - Name yet another (third) document and year that also has a cover photo of Fred with a Prototype Super Kodiak and describe the differences between that bow and a production Super Kodiak...
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Question #22 - Post a photograph of Fred Bear with a prototype Take Down and one of his North American animals.
You must post the photograph and state the correct year the animal was taken and explain how the bow differs from a production take down.
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ah crap #22 is to easy for me......man I got way to baked last night at a frat party PhD.may I be excused yeahawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww bd
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I was just finishing Missaukees answer that did not have the page number. He answered Father but did not have the page #.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - 1 Missaukee
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 spirit lead
Question #15 - 1 wadde
Question #16 - unsolved
Question #17 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #18 - 1 Missaukee
Question #19 - 1 Missaukee
Question #20 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #21 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #22 - 1 Missaukee
Totals
6 - - - - bowhawk archer
4-1/2 - Missaukee
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
2-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1 - - - wadde
1/2 - - spirit lead
We still have 5 Questions to answer...
Question #6 - Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9 - What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill.
Question #13 - Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #16 - Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
Question #23 - Is Fred Bear pictured anywhere with a dog? If so, name the owner, the dog and two places where the picture appears in printed documents. You need all the answers to be correct to get credit.
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#22
1968 - This T/D I believe employs basically the final latch design, however the sockets are simpler. I have never seen one in person, but they appear to be more handmade and not nearly as strong as the production model. I am not positive, but most of these protos do not have the typical V-accent in the riser, and I believe many or most or all are Black Walnut. This proto is before the Walnut with V accent that Fred was using in the 1969 ads. It is akin to the handle Dick Mauch used to shoot a Leopard, I think. Wade, I believe you have either the handle Dick used or one very similar in your collection?
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As far as my involvement in #19, I am frustrated that I am away from home and books, and just had to answer what I could for 19, expecting no points.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
#20 "Fred Bear Hunts Nebraska" magazine. Bow has a more scooped out look to front of the riser, and limbs are wider.
bowhawk archer - You go to the head of the class.
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
#22
1968 - This T/D I believe employs basically the final latch design, however the sockets are simpler. I have never seen one in person, but they appear to be more handmade and not nearly as strong as the production model. I am not positive, but most of these protos do not have the typical V-accent in the riser, and I believe many or most or all are Black Walnut. This proto is before the Walnut with V accent that Fred was using in the 1969 ads. It is akin to the handle Dick Mauch used to shoot a Leopard, I think. Wade, I believe you have either the handle Dick used or one very similar in your collection?
Missaukee - Your answers are impressive especially considering you do not have access to your books. You should probably get extra credit for all of your additional text, which is amazing accurate.
You can go to the head of the class right behind bowhawk archer.
You two guys are really on a roll.
Great work.
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Hopefully the Udpated results above is accurate.
There are still 5 unsolved questions...
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Misaukee- You need to resize your pic. Would hate to see such a nice pic get pulled.
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I tried resizing the pic, actually I made it nearly microscopic in photobucket. But, it still is large when I copy the IMG code. And yes it is the code for the newly resized pic. Oh well, I deleted so I do not get in trouble.
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Try a shot at #21. The third document was the 1967 1/2 Bear catalog. The difference was that in 1968, the Super Kodiak had a phenolic handle with Rosewood caps.
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I should get a half point for question 19 as I added the year.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
Try a shot at #21. The third document was the 1967 1/2 Bear catalog. The difference was that in 1968, the Super Kodiak had a phenolic handle with Rosewood caps.
bowhawk archer: #21 Correct again.
You are beginning to pull away from the pack...
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Originally posted by wadde:
I should get a half point for question 19 as I added the year.
I'll let you and Missaukee come to an agreement and decide how the point for #19 should be credited, split or whatever.
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Question #23 - Is Fred Bear pictured anywhere with a dog? If so, name the owner, the dog and two places where the picture appears in printed documents. You need all the answers to be correct to get any credit. This point will not be split up.
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#23 The dogs name is Scot. Owner is Fred Bear. Appears in "Fred Bear Biography" page 8, and in "Hunt With Fred Bear" page 3.
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Question #24 - Name the bowman, the day, month, year, the bow, the type of arrow material, the broadhead and where this buck ranks today in Traditional Records. An 8 part question... 7 correct parts gets only a 1/2 point, the last 1/2 goes to the final part answered correctly.
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Updated Results
Question #1 - 1/2 JohnnyRazorhead - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #2 - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman - 1/2 tuscarawasbowman
Question #3 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #4 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #5 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #6 - unsolved
Question #7 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #8 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #9 - unsolved
Question #10 - 1 JohnnyRazorhead
Question #11 - 1 Missaukee
Question #12 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #13 - unsolved
Question #14 - 1/2 Missaukee, 1/2 spirit lead
Question #15 - 1 wadde
Question #16 - unsolved
Question #17 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #18 - 1 Missaukee
Question #19 - 1 Missaukee
Question #20 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #21 - 1 bowhawk archer
Question #22 - 1 Missaukee
Question #23 - 1 tuscarawasbowman
Question #23B- 1 bowhawk archer
Question #24 - unsolved
Totals
7 - - - - bowhawk archer
4-1/2 - Missaukee
3-1/2 - JohnnyRazorhead
3-1/2 - tuscarawasbowman
1 - - - wadde
1/2 - - spirit lead
We still have 7 Questions to answer...
Question #6 - Name a person who took two animals with a single arrow while on a hunt with Fred Bear, Name the person and the animals taken with a single arrow...
Question #9 - What big game animal did Fred kill (according to his own words, not recover the same day) and never published a photograph of himself with the kill.
Question #13 - Where are the horns of Fred Bear's First Cape Buffalo today?
Question #16 - Who received the elephant tail bracelet shown in Question #14, as a gift from Fred Bear?
Question #24 - Name the bowman, the day, month, year, the bow, the type of arrow material, the broadhead used to take the buck and where this buck ranks today in Traditional Records. An 8 part question... 7 correct parts gets only a 1/2 point, the last 1/2 goes to the final part answered correctly.
Question #25 - What make of tree stand was Del Austin using in 1962, when he took Mossy Horns?
Question #26 - Was Del Austin using any scent the night he took Mossy Horns, if answer is yes, you must state the full name of maker?
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I don't need any points for 19, I just had to answer something. It might be best to only give points for complete answers, and my intent for 19 was to partly answer it and then someone would finish it off as wadde did (and get a point).
My ability to answer any more questions is definately getting more difficult without books (think 23 and 24).
This is fun!
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Question 24- Del austin, October 31st 1962, Sanders recurve 45#@28", Bear razorhead, ranks #2 currently with a score of 279 7/8. Don't know for sure on the arrow, gonna guess wood or fiberglass.
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All I can say is you guys are awesome, very impressive that you can nail these questions so quickly.
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Question 23- Dick and Carol Mauchs Dog Mouton a Hungarian Visula. Appears on page 94 of "I remember Papa Bear and page 11 of the 92 Bear archery Catalog.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Question 24- Del austin, October 31st 1962, Sanders recurve 45#@28", Bear razorhead, ranks #2 currently with a score of 279 7/8. Don't know for sure on the arrow, gonna guess wood or fiberglass.
tuscarawasbowman: You are getting close to 7 on this one. Re-read the question carefully.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Question 23- Dick and Carol Mauchs Dog Mouton a Hungarian Visula. Appears on page 94 of "I remember Papa Bear and page 11 of the 92 Bear archery Catalog.
Who was the original owner of the dog?
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Im not sure, one source lists it as carols the other as dicks? I'll go with carol.
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Wade- Regarding 24 I know what you're looking for now. Unfortunately I don't have that material. So i'll go with above info and aluminum arrow and hope for the half point... :(
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Im not sure, one source lists it as carols the other as dicks? I'll go with carol.
Yes, it was Carol's dog before they were married. Dick has a great sense of humor and jokingly claims that he had to marry Carol to get the dog... :bigsmyl:
tuscarawasbowman: Congratulations on another point...
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Wade- Regarding 24 I know what you're looking for now. Unfortunately I don't have that material. So i'll go with above info and aluminum arrow and hope for the half point... :(
You are close but still don't have 7 for a 1/2 point...
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Hey Wade, I actually gave an answer to #23 on the previous page, don't know if you missed it or not. And I gave a different answer than tuscarawasbowman.
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Originally posted by bowhawk archer:
Hey Wade, I actually gave an answer to #23 on the previous page, don't know if you missed it or not. And I gave a different answer than tuscarawasbowman.
bowhawk archer: Sorry I missed your post at the bottom of the previous page. Yes you are correct. Sorry not to acknowledge your answer at the first correct answer posted for this question.
Because credit was already given to tuscarawasbowman, we'll just have to backup and create a Question #23 B so you both get a full point for each answering the question correctly with different answers...
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Question #25 - What make of tree stand was Del Austin using in 1962, when he took Mossy Horns?
Question #26 - Was Del Austin using any scent the night he took Mossy Horns, if answer is yes, you must state the full name of maker?
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Question #26; Yes, Pete Rickards Buck Lure
Shick
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I am just going to guess since I am getting rare internet access... #25 - Baker Mfg.
and #26 - No.
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#25 Del was hunting from the ground.
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#25 I take that back, he was using a portable stand and I am going to guess a Baker. #26 was Pete Rickards Buck Lure
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#24 - Del Austin, October 31st, 1962, Sanders Recurve, Bear Razorhead, Cedar Arrow, Ranks #1 in Traditional Records-By a long shot.
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Originally posted by shick:
Question #26; Yes, Pete Rickards Buck Lure
Shick
Shick - Correct.
Can you name the full name of his scent?
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
I am just going to guess since I am getting rare internet access... #25 - Baker Mfg.
and #26 - No.
Sorry incorrect for both answers.
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Originally posted by wadde:
#25 I take that back, he was using a portable stand and I am going to guess a Baker. #26 was Pete Rickards Buck Lure
#25 Incorrect. I never saw a Baker stand until the 1970s. Were they made in 1962?
#26 Already answered.
Can you name the full name of his scent?
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Originally posted by Missaukee:
#24 - Del Austin, October 31st, 1962, Sanders Recurve, Bear Razorhead, Cedar Arrow, Ranks #1 in Traditional Records-By a long shot.
Can you give us the model of the bow?
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PhD Phillips may I ask ? is there a quiver bushing in said bow at the top of this page ? triple K also used those very light green bear long zipper bow cases he stored his Kodiaks in ? marked with felt pen KKK And where in the heck does Bud Gray ? come into play ????????? and was Gray a stock holder in bear archery ? was #9 the half eaten black bear in the late 1950's FB shot ? bd
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Wade, I believe it was Pete Rickards' Original Indian Buck Lure;
The bow was an Oneida model.
Shick
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Originally posted by shick:
.....The bow was an Oneida model.
Shick
Daggonit I saw that in an article but I thought it was a typo and they were listing oneida as the manf. not the model. Like I said before I got lots to learn lol
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Originally posted by shick:
Wade, I believe it was Pete Rickards' Original Indian Buck Lure;
The bow was an Oneida model.
Shick
Shick - You are on the ball, congratulations.
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Originally posted by tuscarawasbowman:
Originally posted by shick:
.....The bow was an Oneida model.
Shick
Daggonit I saw that in an article but I thought it was a typo and they were listing oneida as the manf. not the model. Like I said before I got lots to learn lol [/b]
Yes, lots to learn and so little time left to learn it...
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Doc - No quiver bushing in the KKK Grumley. It is actually ink stamped with his name on the upper limb above the Grumley Signature and on the lower limb ?
The only two of KKKs bow cases that I have seen were like the one here with his name and address ink stamped on them. I have seen one place that KKK inscribed his initials with a marker.
Bud Gray was one of Fred's hunting pals on the Little Delta and other trips.
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Question #27 - Name the man who made this, the year, and his name for the bow.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/IMG_2937.jpg)
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Question #28 - What year did Michigan issue its first Bow & Arrow Deer License?
Question #29 - In order of kills, name each of the bowmen who took a deer in Michigan's first Bow & Arrow season.
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#28-1937
#29- William Van Vorst,Leo Lang,Nels Grumley
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#29- I believe the order was William Van Vorst, Nelson Grumley, then Leo Lang.
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Chuck had eather one or two of triple K's bow cases and they were I believe also ink stamped with one of those rubber type stamps you would use on an envolope ? had K's name and addie ? bd
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where the hell is everyone ? class over or are we on winter break like my grandkids ? Hey maybe everybody got hosed over the holiday and can't get out of bed ahh Johnyboy ? still yakken ? Come on man I was ah getten smarter.Did you notice my spelling is even getting better I hardly misspell anythin now.Come on PhD Phillips what the hey huh bd
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I dont know bd I was waiting on him to chime in on the thunderbird thread?
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Calling Doctor Phillips calling Doctor Phillips where are you PhD ??????? if your out hunting man that sucks big time.No hunting during school hours.This is my last week on the night shift and I'll be able to play regular hours like the rest of you guy's next week bd
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Sorry for the delay.
Here is a multiple part question to get your minds thinking back in time...
1) 30 Years ago today, March 7, what memorable archery event took place.
2) Name the location of the event.
3) Was there weapon involved?
4) If so describe it.
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Fred Bear's 80th Birthday party in Gainesville, FL.
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I know this thread is dead but hey I found the answer to number 27
Taken from one of Wade Phillips posts
"This uniquely constructed E.F. Enos Jr., Steel Spring Bow was patented in 1915."
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Does anyone know exactly where William Van Vorst killed that first buck? I mean EXACTLY. My land has a Bitely, Michigan address and that's where the 1st buck was killed. It's a small mailing address.
Before my dad started bowhunting in the late 1960's, he said bowhunters had been hunting our land for many years, but nobody ever paid attention to them, back then, since there were so few of them.
In fact, there were only 2 counties open to that first archery season, with Newaygo county being one.
The Bitely zip code only has 1800 people falling under the address and that's in todays population. There's only 114 sq miles in the zip code. So the odds are very good that I may have hunted the very same section as with that very first buck.
My property is about 3 miles east of Bitely, which is basically a bar and a gas station. Anyone have access to any journal or notes from that first buck?