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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: flint kemper on November 27, 2011, 07:05:00 PM
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Ok I am not a Bear authority but often see people wanting either of these risers. Can you tell me the difference between the 2,what years they were produced and if you have pictures as well of them, and the going cost if you can find them and also why people want them? Thanks Flint
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Originally posted by flint kemper:
Ok I am not a Bear authority but often see people wanting either of these risers. Can you tell me the difference between the 2,what years they were produced and if you have pictures as well of them, and the going cost if you can find them and also why people want them? Thanks Flint
Flint,
the Bear T/D is certainly not liked by all and it definitely does not shoot nearly as good as modern custom bows.......HOWEVER, the Bear T/D has a soul.
I cannot explain it. No one can.
You must dive in to the world of Fred Bear to understand it.
The Bear T/D was PapaBear's crowning achievement!
It is also the only bow he would use once it was completely developed and used it for the remainder of his life.
A brief answer to your question;
Offered first in the 1970 catalog and into the 73' catalog I think.
A, B or C riser with 1,2 or 3 limbs. All going from short to long offering many length and weight options.
Bear Archery pretty much never stopped making them. Magnesium handles were made by the ton and are indestructible.
Futurewood risers, although not advertised after 73', were being made still if ordered.
Bear Archery immediately started making wood risers as soon as they got settled in Gainsville after the move there. Only the B riser was offered with #1 limbs.
The early wood versions command the collector market and A risers seem to be the one being chased the most.
B risers come in second and was Fred's choice, as mine.
Bear Archery is making a TERRIFIC Take down today and offer both A and B wood risers and #1 and #3 limbs.
Hope I helped a little.
If you want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, try shooting a VINTAGE-BEAR KODIAK.
Talk about soul..... :help:
.........Philip
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Flint, here's a few examples showing some wood Bear T/D bows.
1st year type 1 A riser, green stripe B risers, Fred Bear signature bows......Take one hunting and you will be hooked.......
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/119-1.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/008.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/114.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbownot3.jpg) (http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/022.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbow3.jpg)
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I agree with everything you have stated , Philip, EXCEPT .....I feel the takedowns do shoot as well as most " modern" takedowns and better than many. They fit me .
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I will modify what kuch said... "shoot as well as most "modern" takedowns and better than MOST."
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I did not want to seem overly biased !! The search is over for me...
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Kuch...Blackhawk.....
I try and not ruffle feathers when I speak of how "vintage-bears" shoot. Obviously, we are fans of the Bear T/D.
They are my favorite and my go to bow.
In regards to modern bows and taking my emotion out of the equation, I must say that my Silvertip and Trails End bows out shoot my Bears any day of the week when comparing same length/draw weight with the same arrows. I also see the difference in penetration on animals.
The speed, balance and cast are amazing and do outperform the Bears.
But like I said earlier, they lack soul to me.
I have picked up some great Bear T/D bows that I want to photograph and share with you guy's.
Waiting for my daughter with the camera.
........Philip
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Oh, by the way.
I look forward to and anticipate you guys jumping in but what's with the NO PIC replies!
You know it's more fun with pics...... :goldtooth:
I think Flint had asked for some pics!!!!!
Let em have it boys!
........philip
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Chad
You probably recall my request to be added to your will regarding that A handle!
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When we are talking performance, are we talking how loud a bow is with regards to hunting? To me any bow that you can drive tacks with, is quiet and has the speed to kill is as good as it gets. Bear had all of that figured in! There are some great custom guys and they do a great job remaking the wheel. The engineering of some of the 60's bows / 70's takedowns still remain at the top, all things considered. :nono:
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I have to agree with Phil on this one.I'm sure there are many bows that "outperform" the old Bear take-downs,but no one can build one with as much soul or mojo as an original Bear take-down.If you appreciate Fred Bear and the influence he's had on so many of us,then you just gotta love the bow that was his favorite 'til the end.I loved Phil's pictures so I had to post one myself.It's raining here,ugly day,so what better thing to do than play around with some Bear stuff.Never noticed how well my rug matches the Grayling tuxedo jacket.I could wear that in the woods!
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/take-downbowsall.jpg)
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Nice pics,guys!
This is my opinion on the shooting specs of a Bear TD:
-the riser is for sure the best TD sistem ever developed,plus it is ,with its mass,very stable,because the design is very forgiving and accurate.
I rank the riser design among the best on the market.
-The limbs:well,the limbs are the weak point of this bow,they are quiet,but with stack after 28"
and for sure not speed demons.
-Using some aftermarket limbs,the only one I have trayed,like the Rose Oak Creations you boost the performances:speed and smoothness,mantaining the great features of the riser.This combo update a great project,transforming the bow in one of the best recurve on the market,along with the top customs.
You can improve some performances,as I did,using a skinny ff string on the green tip limbs;at your own risk! I did and I am been happy.
I wouldn't do that with some more rare white tip limbs,that are a no so bad shooters.
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(http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx293/dazzafelix/IMG_0179.jpg)
I really love them!
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No feathers ruffled , but in keeping with the idea of "most".....I feel almost all bows are capable of "outshooting " 90+% of trad shooters when properly tuned.And I don't feel I'm capable of shooting "The best performing wizbang recurve" any better than my Bear. That said , I feel it comes down to those intangible things like "feel",history,nostalgia, sentimental value, options.Obviously we are on the same page with these bows.
And I agree 100% with Felix
Tony , which one ? The Type 1 ?
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WOW guys great information. I am for sure a nostalgia guy. Currently shot a string follow David Miller bamboo bow, but due to a badly broken wrist earlier this year I am having a few problems shooting a longbow. Thinking of making the switch to a recurve to see if it helps or not. Can you tell me the riser lengths on some of these and are they hard to find in a reasonable price? I appreciate the photos and feedback. Flint
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John, Please tell me more about that bottom B handle.
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As far as prices....if you are not sure this is the bow....try a Magnesium riser ( almost another thread) Cheaper , same latch system, grip options . Whichever A, B, MAg or wood , these bows are easy to sell also , if you want. I'm a midget and draw 27" so I prefer the A's.
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hey Chad the idea with your idea about the mag handle ? it sucks and your not a midget just over 3 feet tall but not over 40 inches tall is not an actual midget by todays standards ask Tommy.
We talked about mags & midgets around the table that night you and I remember ? the problemo with trying a or a b mag handle before you try a wood handle ??? the mags actualy shoot way better then the wood handles do.Both my mag handles have been tuned.The screw behind the strike plate set to the spine of the arrows I been shooting out of both bows.....both handles are fairly well matched now.The same limbs(3# less on the B does not affect arrow spine) same grip same arrow same weight arrow bla bla bla.The mags are 100% you can tune-er-up and if you take a few minutes to get a or a b mag all set up for yourself they are super good shooting bows.What the heck all the adjustments of a fine target shooting bow built right into your favorite hunting bow what more would one need ? bd
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Chad
Yep! That's the "one"! Love the grain on that riser. That zebrawood riser ain't bad either!!
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We prefer vertically challenged . Yeah I know BD....I didn't want to spill all the beans out...maybe he wouldn't tune the mag ? ? ? And I expect my riser that your tinkering with to shoot better than that Mag !!!
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kuchie bud I swear to you it will be faster stronger and better then ever before.You know did I mention to you lately what a great customer you are ? no ? wow thats not like me bd
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That's what I wanted to hear ! I love my Mag....but it's not wood.
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
I have to agree with Phil on this one.I'm sure there are many bows that "outperform" the old Bear take-downs,but no one can build one with as much soul or mojo as an original Bear take-down.If you appreciate Fred Bear and the influence he's had on so many of us,then you just gotta love the bow that was his favorite 'til the end.I loved Phil's pictures so I had to post one myself.It's raining here,ugly day,so what better thing to do than play around with some Bear stuff.Never noticed how well my rug matches the Grayling tuxedo jacket.I could wear that in the woods!
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/take-downbowsall.jpg)
John, you loved my picture's!
This photo you posted is dynamite! :readit:
.........Philip
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Yes Phil,you're photos were outstanding.Who couldn't love photos of a beautiful Signature bow.And your signed green-striper.I love it!
I initally started out this bow season practicing relentlessly with my '62 Kodiak set-up but couldn't decide between that and one of the take-down bows.My green-striper hadn't been shot so I threw a set of #1,60# white-tippers on it and have been shooting it pretty good.Been to the woods with me a few times this fall with no luck yet but I'm not giving up yet.
I do love the '62 Kodiak alot,but then I love the green-striper.And a 1960 Kodiak,and my '64 Kodiak.Oh yes,and a really nice 48# 1959 Kodiak.So hard to decide which classic Bear to take to the woods.Oh yes,one more.I almost forgot about the old girl Nellie.I had hoped to take her out for a stroll in the woods this fall but I still need to make up some properly spined arrows and practice,practice,practice.I'm not used to shooting a longbow,especially one that is over 70 years old.Hopefully next year.Here she is again showing off those beautiful curves.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/BPGrumleyfulldraw.jpg)
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
Yes Phil,you're photos were outstanding.Who couldn't love photos of a beautiful Signature bow.And your signed green-striper.I love it!
I initally started out this bow season practicing relentlessly with my '62 Kodiak set-up but couldn't decide between that and one of the take-down bows.My green-striper hadn't been shot so I threw a set of #1,60# white-tippers on it and have been shooting it pretty good.Been to the woods with me a few times this fall with no luck yet but I'm not giving up yet.
I do love the '62 Kodiak alot,but then I love the green-striper.And a 1960 Kodiak,and my '64 Kodiak.Oh yes,and a really nice 48# 1959 Kodiak.So hard to decide which classic Bear to take to the woods.Oh yes,one more.I almost forgot about the old girl Nellie.I had hoped to take her out for a stroll in the woods this fall but I still need to make up some properly spined arrows and practice,practice,practice.I'm not used to shooting a longbow,especially one that is over 70 years old.Hopefully next year.Here she is again showing off those beautiful curves.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/BPGrumleyfulldraw.jpg)
I hear every word you say John.
How can anyone choose which Kodiak?
You gotta love them all! One you did'nt mention is the forgotten 63' Kodiak, myself included.
Each and every one has it's own personality.
Your a brave man to draw that magnificent historical bow! I get nervous just looking at you stretch her out!!!
Your Green stripe bow setup is sweet! That is my exact hunting setup. :readit:
...........Philip
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John,
Here's a series 2 green stripe riser I sold years ago.
Notice the space between "Happy Hunting" and PapaBear's signature. Curious... :knothead:
It once had a name between them.
You guessed it....Happy Hunting John, Fred Bear 1983.
.......Philip
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/P3190038.jpg)
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Oh man Phil,I had been looking for that green-striper papa Bear signed for me and wondered who had it.I should have known it was you all along.Dang!
The only reason I didn't mention the '63 Kodiak in my list is because I don't currently own one,I was only naming those years that I can currently choose from on my bowrack.But you're right,the '63 would be included.I also agree with what you said about the green-stripers gaining a new popularity.I often snubbed my nose up at them too many years ago.I was only interested in the type I and maybe the type II Grayling wood handles.Like you,I sold a beautiful,early green-striper with some of that real light maple coloring,beautifully signed by Fred Bear in 1983 too if I remember correctly,for a lot less than I should have.I still wish to this day I hadn't sold it.Also as you said,the green-stripers are well made,nice thin grip and a low shelf similar to Fred's own bow.That's why I chose to hunt with mine this year as I hadn't been shooting much the last couple of years and although I loved my '62 Kodiak set-up I figured I wanted to get that arrow a little closer to my bow hand for some tighter groups.It seemed to help as I've been shooting alright with it although I'm not nearly as fortunate as Sam is to have a brand new to him green-striper and rutting bucks running all around him begging to be shot.Guess I need to take my green-striper to Texas!
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I could talk about this all day long! :biglaugh:
I'm itchy to post some pics..........philip