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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: cacciatore on March 08, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
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$ 8900 for a Signature without the booklet! It looks the prices are coming back hight.What do you think?It was used too.
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I was a little surprised that it hit that price way over an hour before closing.
I sat and watched wondering if it was going to skyrocket more the last 3 seconds like so many do.
Not like we have many "past solds" to compare to on the fleabay. lol
Still a nice one, out of my league.....like so many others.
God Bless
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I'll post some better pics of it when it arrives.
Yeah right ! :laughing:
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Beautiful bow but unbelievable price !
Way out of my league too !
I actually thought 4500.00 and maybe I'd try for it .
Do you know if the signatures came in more than one type of presentation boxes ? a friend says he had the bow with the gold latches and clear glass but the way he described the box didn't match what I was looking at on fleabay . He said his had a small compartment on the lower left for the string :dunno:
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The 5 or 6 I have seen had all the same kind of box,included mine!
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What was it ?
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I saw the close and was floored. Also, Way Way Out of my league. Gold Plated Latches!!! Jeez, but what a piece of History.
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Chuck
it was the Bear signature Take down bow
exotic woods ,clear glass and gold latches in a presentation box
If you've never seen one,
THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL!!
Dean
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Yes, they are stunning!
The box was original and can be authenticated in many original Bear documents. All the Signature bows I have seen or owned that are in boxes are always in these wooden boxes with the liner.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/SignatureBow1982.jpg)
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Very Nice Mr Phillips
I should have known you would have one in your collection. Never ceases to amaze me the pictures of items you have down there. Enjoy your posts!!
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Looks like three(3) in that collection to me!!!
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Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
Yes, they are stunning!
The box was original and can be authenticated in many original Bear documents. All the Signature bows I have seen or owned that are in boxes are always in these wooden boxes with the liner.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/SignatureBow1982.jpg)
Hey Wade, I just picked up a LH 60 Kodiak with serial number BH667 to go with my RH BH376 and BH377. These three bows, along with the one Jack Shanks calls his Owl Bow, all have the sharply tapered limbs and small tips. I am increasingly of the opinion that BH was the initials of the bowyer and that they were a speed freak.
DDave
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The highest one I have ever seen sell went for $10000 so $8900 for SER# 30 I almost bid but dont totally have that much disposable funds right now. It was difficult but I held back. It sure was about the prettiest one I have seen. Jim
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Nice, Thanks for bring me up to speed on the pretty box set.
DAVE, I have a 60RH 50# BH745. This has very small tips and,although I have nothing to compare to, I thought they looked like pretty tiny tips. This bow has such a wonderful shape to it that I thought about reproducing it. Sweet looking bow.
Thanks for the pictures Wade.
Chuck
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I just remembered I have a '66 in the shop for a refinish job and the tips on that are about twice as wide as on the BH '60
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Originally posted by Two Tracks:
Nice, Thanks for bring me up to speed on the pretty box set.
DAVE, I have a 60RH 50# BH745. This has very small tips and,although I have nothing to compare to, I thought they looked like pretty tiny tips. This bow has such a wonderful shape to it that I thought about reproducing it. Sweet looking bow.
Thanks for the pictures Wade.
Chuck
There is another pattern developing here. We now have 5 bows in this series and they are all pretty much pristine. There was something about those bows that attracted archers who would look after them a little differently. We say it lightly some times, but these bows are FIFTY ONE YEARS OLD.
I am going to post a new thread for BH prefix bows and see just how far we can take this.
DDave
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I thought the fact that most of the bidders were new or had low feedback was suspicious.
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You could be correct with your suspicions. I pretty much take these auctions at face value, but shill bidding is always a possibility.
Time will tell if #30 resurfaces or if the seller lists other Signature bows.
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Not that interested in a boxed production bow but could see spending that kind of money on a documented bow owened and hunted by Howard Hill,Fred Bear, Bob Swienheart, Eroll Flynn, Paul Shafers buffalo bow, etc...... bows with some real history........but thats just me.
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hvyhitter I was thinking the same thing !
The friend I mentioned earlier ,I showed him the pic of the one that just sold .He said thats the one ! he was given the bow when he was in his mid 20's didnt really have any use for it so he sold it for $150.00.
He's heartbroken !!
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you don't have to think that since most people don't want to shoot that bow it is worthless.it is been designed by Fred with the intent to make the most beautiful bow ever produced a true masterpiece to last the years.He made that to promote the cheaper Custom Kodiak Td,that was reitroduced the same year.Most people don'tshoot their more priced 59-60 signed Kodiak too.This is a bow made to show how sophysticated and precious a bow can be.Not for nothing the biggest collectors own at least one:see Al Reader,Wade Philips and other.people with so much knowledge and taste don't buy a bow they don't find interesting and of some value.
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Hi..just to help clear the air I am the buyer of 030.
I felt this would get me a little closer to the great man who was such a big part of the worlds archery history. This beauty was fairley low in the series so I figured surley worth having. Along with a few other collectables it will be a keeper for my lifetime.
Appreciated reading the many comments.
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Stormer, Congrats!! Enjoy it. Sounds like you will appreciate it and that is were those bows belong.
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Stormer, Good for you :thumbsup: . Enjoy it in good health. :cool:
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Stormer -
Glad to see that you posted that you were the one who got the bow.
Hopefully your post will end the speculation.
I'm certain you will enjoy the bow as much as others enjoy owning theirs.
You have also taken the heat off of me a bit. A year ago I bought the only known 1959 56" Maple Sight Window Kodiak that had ever surfaced in the collecting circles. Many less experienced bowmen questioned the sanity of the person who paid $2,100+ for the bow.
I bet they have now forgotten that bow completely. Actually it seems like more of a bargain everyday when I see bows sell for more.
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congratulations stormer !
Beautiful bow , I'm just jealous, could not afford one of those on a mailcarriers pay!
Although I have my share of old Bears I dont really consider my self a collector but more a user and that is definately not a user .
I had previously thought the only bows that would command that price would have been the actual bows used by the archery greats. JMO
Bows like that belong in the hands of collectors some one who can care for them ,share them ,and pass them down so they remain a part of our history forever
Dean
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Insure it well !
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Stormer my only question would be Are you going to shoot it?
Congratulations on the purchase!!!
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That is one awesome bow, congrats
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Many thanks guys for the positive comments and kind advice.As a keen longbow shooter I could not claim to be a real collector as such but have always loved the lines and feel of fine Bows .I am no expert on the great man but have read enough to know how much this great sport owes him and of a life well lived and this buy gets me a little closer as I gather he did his own quality control.4406v 030 will not see to much time strung but a heck of a lot of time looked at.I am a big fan of Bill Foremans masterpieces and they are my main shooters.
Thanks again
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Personally since the bow has been shot some I couldn't resist the urge to string it up and shoot it.
It's like the big time collector who drives million dollar Hemi cars.They are cars afterall and meant to be driven.
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Before any body shoots a Signature bow, I would like to recommend that they find, read and study a thread by the late Bill Krenz. He wrote a very detailed account of the problems with the Signature bows and how to correct those problems.
Bill was a great guy and a had a storehouse of information that we will miss forever.
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There is a guy,member here, that uses regurlarly his signature riser,without the origional limbs!
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cacciatore -
What does he use that Signature riser without limbs for... a door handle ???
:scared: Just joking of course...
I've seen some pretty nice Bear bows used for door handles, but never a Signature riser.
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Wade....information re Bill Krenz appreciated will follow up.
Thanks
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Wade,this guy bought the riser Signature from Bill,the rest of the box was somehow missed.I know myself a lone riser.They were probably coming off from some Bear employees.
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The ultimate in bows. (2 more just came up)
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Last year at Denton Hill a gentleman was shooting one. I didnt know what they were at the time and thought that someone had just "pimped out" there bear takedown.
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I owned many signature bows thru the years and have sold them to fellow collectors....But I did keep one!
This particular signature bow handle was Frank Scott's and it was in his office for years until it came to me by accident really.
Long story short, I had Frank come to NY and bowhunt with me and I showed it to him and he was boggled to say the least!!
He said where did you get this? I told him I purchased it from a fellow while collecting Bear archery items and this fellow asked me if I wanted to buy a handle signed by Fred Bear. And I did.
Frank then told me that this handle was his and did not know how it came up for sale by "someone else".
Anyway,Frank later sent me the rest of the bow.....Limbs, case among other things, ect.....
It is my favorite Bear Archery bow and I shoot it once in a while in memory of my friend Frank Scott. I wrote an article in Traditional Bowhunter Magazine about this hunt with Frank Scott. He passed away 1 week later.....Thanks for the memories Frank
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Nice story Filippo!
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I own Frank Scott"s personal Signature bow presented him for 42 years of service at Bear Archery. The # number is 42 and along with the bow photo of the presentation and news paper article...........I also have a list of the original owners and what problems were encountered with certain bows. There is a # 500 and a # 777 out there some where.........moose
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Hey Moose.How ya doing.
I know about the sig. bow you speak of. I was in gainseville many times with Frank. He did treasure it and it looked great in that glass case. I have many photo's their with him.
This is a different bow with a great past.
I purchased the "handle" only from a fellow and showed it to Frank when he came up to NY.
This is where I learned of it's past by Frank. I'm gonna try and get the bow out and take some pics. I am not sure if it's #23 0r #28.
The rest is history.
Philip
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Stormer
Lets see some pics of that new bow!!!
Michael
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Sure will Michael.Just have to finalize my heave ho with Australian customs on import duty.The bow arrived in oz 18th from Gainesville USPS priority. Was hoping to get this weekend but as we know Govt' always have their hand out.Wish me luck.
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Sounds like the same kind of fun we deal with in the US....govermements!! Can't live with them can't live without them.
Michael
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Ok.
Here it is. This sig.bow was owned by Frank Scott for many years and I found the Handle thru my Bear Bow collecting years.Have documentation on it also by Frank.The grain in the limbs is amazing and count those limb tip overlays, interesting to say the least. Previous post explains a little better.We must meet at Denton Hill to have a few beers and laughs on how I came to purchase this (lunchbox special) as Al Reader explained it's existence to me.
I also found some take downs and some amazing Kodiaks that I thought I sold and I forgot I had, really no joke. One particular Bear T/D bow I have will be in a new topic I will create as soon as I can gather all the documents I have for it. Very historical bow and I know you collector types would enjoy it.
Anyway, heres the pics.......Enjoy
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/114.jpg)
The tips should have 4 layers of fiberglass ~ white,brown,white brown.Not 5! These mistakes happen at such a busy factory. I like the mistake!
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/115.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/123.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/113.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/116.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/117.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/119.jpg)
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The knife & file set signed by Frank scott was a gift and I also have it signed by Glenn St. Charles.
Always on my belt when bowhunting.
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Very nice limbs really unique! I have seen a Signature with the black latches,I think they were made during the lunch time hours.
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Thanks for sharing,Philip.
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Great stuff here! Thanks for sharing
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Thanks alot. I so love the signature bow!
I just bought another one and I wait patiently by the window for the mailman!!!!
I am a sucker for #66 and in general conversation with a fellow trad gang member who mentions the serial #.
HE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT! Always costs me money to be so anal....LOL
I am very grateful to cacciatore. He's a Good Man.......Philip
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Here's the Signature bow I just bought from cacciatore. He is a great guy and I thank him publicly......Philip
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbow3.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbow2.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbow1.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/sigbow6.jpg)
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Fellow Trad Gangers,
I have a unique Fred Bear Signature Bow for sale in the classifieds. Take a look if you get the chance.
Even if not shopping for one, they are beautiful to look at :notworthy: .......Philip
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Hello again Philip....apologies in my reply I had a brain fade. The Signature is 030 not 033.
Tony S.
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That last one is a beauty!