Guys, sorry I haven't been on in a while, work and the boy's wrestling schedule have had me just short of drowning lately, hope to be back in the saddle here by the end of the week.
Anyway....Bob and I have been talking for some time while he's been testing his new longbow limb design. I'm sure there have been other threads posting about them but for recap, these new Dakota longbow limbs for his Shawnee riser incorporate a foam core, fiberglass belly and carbon fiber back. Bob's tests on the final prototype showed 197fps with 9gr/# @ 28" with smoother feeling draw and less noise than previous designs.
Well, they finally came in this weekend and I've been able to wring a few arrows through them. Bob delivered in spades! I liked my Shawnee before...but now, with these new limbs...it is the best longbow I've ever shot.
Now that may not sound like a big claim...but for me, it surely is. I've shot a lot of bows looking for the perfect 3pc longbow, bought/ordered a bunch that were close. But none of them have done what this Shawnee/Dakota genII limbed model I have now.
The limbs are considerably lighter than their previous conventional counterparts, though of equal length and heavier # than the old ones. I'm sure this has increased the performance some.
What is more amazing than the blistering speed though, is the pure silk, greased ball bearing draw. I mean, it's so smooth I just can't believe they are 4#'s heavier than the older limbs. And though the older limbs were quiet, the new ones are deadly silent. I've had issue with many carbon limbed bows, and honestly every one but the newer A&H ACS/CX wood riser models had a harmonic I found objectionable...a "pong" like a tightly strung tennis racket. These limbs are completely void of that irritating sound. I also had the slightest shock with the old limbs....these new ones have completely eliminated that vibration. In short, this new design simply made this Shawnee.
I've got a new A&H that should be ready shortly and I'm thrilled to be able to test this bow side by side with the A&H, my previous "best of the best" longbows. You fellers at A&H better send me a good one....this one is going to be nearly impossible to beat!
If you haven't shot these new longbow limbs of Bob's, do so when you can, and see for yourself.
Sounds like a sweetheart of a bow buddy! Good to see you... I was starting to worry about ya.
Now if you can talk Bob into sending a couple of those new broadheads my way, we'll both be tickled. ;)
wow! thats movin. wonder if he will incorporate this new foam core design into the recurve limbs...might need to call him and break the bank
just checked the website...Bob says the carbon doesnt do as well in the recurve limbs. those dakota speeds are amazing. most 3pc longbows will be at least 10fps slower all else the same. the only bows that will touch this performance would be the swan, acs and if centaur made a 3pc i bet he'd be up there too.
JC, how close do you live to Winder. I've heard alot of good about those Morrison bows and sure would like to see and shoot one. I'd like to meet a few of the Tradgang in my area as well. Thanks in advance.
JC, I glad to hear your report cause Bob's making me up a set right now. Be taking them to Texas in Jan & Feb. Heck I might even get to try them with you down in Aiken! Doc
That's where ya been...Sittin by the MAIL BOX :wavey: I'll take the SHREW :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :jumper: :jumper:
I have to second what JC says about the new limbs. Mine came in on Saturday and they are, by far, faster and smoother than my 'boo Dakota limbs. My old limbs are 59@29 and my new ones are 61@29 and the new ones shot consistantly 9-11 fps faster than the old ones. They are indeed smoother (which I never thought possible). Oh, and did I mention lighter??? My shawnee with the 'boo limbs was lighter than most one piece longbows that I have handled and the new ones are even lighter! Bob, you have outdone yourself this time, my friend :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Must.......not.......order.......'nother........
bow........ :help: :help: :help:
Nice to see you again Bob! Howzit going?
Lonley, poor, broke down, slow moving,simple minded fella seeking new employment. Anyone have a job for me? I'm wondering how you guys afford all these new bows? :confused:
Sounds like a winner! Can't wait to shoot the bow! CK
Curtis Bob was looking for a bow builder while back! One way to get more Morrison's :biglaugh:
You wouldn't like that white stuff all over his lawn though.
Charlie, as the old saying goes "Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated" ;)
Curtis, only reason I can afford it is I've been workin my tail off. I hunted thanksgiving but haven't been in the woods since then...and all I got to do is walk out the back door! Oh well, after Christmas things will settle down a bit for Jan and I'll catch the tail end of AL deer season hopefully. Hope to catch up with you sometime in '08....I'll bring the Shawnee so you can have a dance.
Jeff, you let me know about Aiken...we'll sho nuff get together and chase something.
Pete, Bob is still testing the recurve limbs. Right now his foam core and fiberglass recurve limbs are matching these newest Dakota foam/carbon limbs. He's getting a few more fps with the new carbon matrix in the recurve limb but he's not sure if it's really gonna be worth the hassle and $ in the end. Soon as he decides either way though, my new ones will be built. Bob says he'll never use boo cores again on his limbs, both longbow and recurve...they are that much better in all aspects. After shooting these, I agree totally. Dang but it's a great time to be a trad bow-a-holic!
Hatch, no easy way to get from Ranger to Winder...about 90 miles from each other if you take 53. But, you are right around the corner from North Georgia Traditional Archery Club in Gainesville. We have a trad only shoot the first Sun of every month Jan-Aug. Check the trad events forum for more details. We also have a great shoot at my place in June for Traditional Bowhunters of Ga, as well as other hunts and shoots throughout GA for the same club. PM or email me for more details on both, happy to help connect you with other trad folks.
Vance, brother, you already got one of my shrews...least you can do is let me keep one! :p When you shoot this Shawnee/Dakota next fall (or sooner) I don't know if you'll be hankerin for another Shrew anymore.
Bob makes top shelf equipment.. Glad to here these new limbs are working out as expected.
PB
I was talking with Bob about them as well when I ordered a bow recently. He said he hasn't been able to apply a wood veneer to the new limbs. So for 9-11 fps slower I went with the actionboo with matching honduras rosewood veneer. I can live with a little slower for more beauty. Just me. I have the Cheyenne on order so it wouldn't have been a issue with the recurve limbs anyway it sounds.
good for ya buddy!!! :thumbsup: :goldtooth:
Nice pair of Snake Skins over that Carbon glass might look pretty sharp.
But, Dead is Dead and I dought the Critter is going to know if that arrow was going 187fps or 197fps.
Have mine on order too! Can't hardly wait!
Brant
Tater 2, I agree Dead is Dead. My last bear was shot with a selfbow & stone point, but I sure love a nice quiet fast longbow too! Still lookin' for that Grail...just maybe :D Doc
So the foam takes up what was once core and fadeout? Too cool, can I see a pic?
-Mike
Mike, I'll take some pics and post them.
The foam does not replace the fadeout, which on my limbs is charcoal dymondwood I believe. Just the core is foam.
OK OK OK!! As long as we got blistering speed and there purty! That's the only way I let you shoot dang SISSY foam in your limbs. I ain't never! I just can't do nothing with him! %^&*%%* :banghead:
JC, We use only Phenolic on wedges or fade outs Now. The foam only replaces the ActionBoo.
I have a set of these these new recurve limbs for my Morrison ILF riser. They are the Cheyenne recurve version, foam core with black fiberglass back and front. Unbelievably smooth and quiet and fast. From the first arrow I shot, "wow" is all I can say. Can't wait to really "field test" them. Late season starts next Monday.
Normally, I like longer bows(62" minimum and 64" preferred) but these were shorter(makes 60" bow) and I was skeptical at first. Even my 30" draw and they are still very smooth. So much so that it is really easy to draw farther, if one wants. Increasing ones draw length is always desirable and an advantage from a performance standpoint.
Still looking for a medium grip B Cheyenne riser on the medium to thicker side if anyone wants to part with one. :pray:
Wheres the pics of the limbs?
Holy Smokes! These things are awesome! :readit: Ok, so everybody knows I think the Morrison Cheyenne is the best recurve bow made. I can hit with it without thinking in all scenarios. Until now, Bob's Shawnee was his "stepchild" in my opinion: beautiful bow but just not the bow the Cheyenne is, imho.
These new limbs have changed that. I have said before the A&H wood riser ACS is the best 3pc longbow I've shot to date (for everything but pure looks), but these new limbs on the Shawnee....unbelievable. My ACS should be here by the weekend and I can spend some time side by side, exciting to say the least.
But for now, this is the best 3pc longbow I've ever had in my hands. I'm not just saying that cause it's Bob's...I really believe it. The foam/carbon limbs changed the shooting charicteristics completly. Smooth, quiet, ridiculous speed, but I discovered something new tonight. I shot 4 different carbon spines out of it tonight with excellent bareshafting characteristics for all of them. Doesn't make sense compared to my conventional knowledge, this riser had 1 arrow that worked to my satisfaction previously with the conventional limbs. Now, there's 2 arrows with different spines that fly perfectly and 2 more pretty darn close. Whooooowheeeee this is fun again!
Mitchum, these ain't gettin nuthin on em...skins, veneers....I ain't fixin what ain't broke! And NO, it ain't fer sale but I will let you have a dance when you come over to help me kill a turkey in the spring with it. Did I mention I need a "call unit" :rolleyes:
Sorry bout the pics guys....work ya know?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v701/recurvhuntr/Morrison/Picture022.jpg)
This was the best one I could get of the foam. I can't capture the nuance of the carbon with my cheap camera. At first glance, it looks like black glass....but under good light at the right angle you can really see the longitudinal carbon fibers.
In a few months, my Thunderhorn 3pc should be due, lookin forward to wringin that one out too...did I mention THIS is the Golden Age for bow-a-holics? :goldtooth:
But JC, Do you like it??????? :biglaugh: We can't wait to see it, as we can't shoot it, because Bob built the shelf on the wrong side!!!! Don and Sky
Don, I'll see if he's got a left riser and bring it with me...we'll bolt these limbs on you can see for yerself.
I dare ya :eek:
Check out the "sweet memories post" comin up
JC, check out our post on Terry's '2nd RUT' thread and I'll try to send you some trail cam pics....Maybe we can break that new bow in right!!!! D and S
"Conan has shot a couple of does this week..." now that jest ain't right....course, it ain't wrong neither :p
Jc, whats the riser made of? zebrawood/ebony????NICE!!!
Thanks Pete, it's Zebrawood/midnight dymondwood.
Good News: Bob is making his new limb design for his DAKOTA 1 PIECE LONGBOW FOR ALL YOU 1 PIECE LONGBOW SHOOTERS OUT THERE!!!!!Now if i can find some more money or to convince myself I HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER BOW!!!!
I have a new Cheyenne on order with Bob. I happened to call him a few days ago to change the snake skins that I am getting. He mentioned these new foam limbs, said they are the cats meow. I jumped at the chance to get them! It had only been 5 weeks since I placed my order with him and he is already started my riser! I can't wait to get it.
You guys are such a bad influence. I called Bob this morning to discuss the new foam carbon limbs, Yeah.. Yeah.. you know the rest I wound up ordering a set of limbs. Well I got to thinking about it and what the heck I called Bob back and told him we might as well make it a complete bow.. he just laughed.
It's all your guys fault, that's my story and I'm stickin'to it.
Thanks, Tater
You're hanging out with the wrong crowd Tater! lol
Sounds like someone else didn't take their medication this week, Tater!!!! LOL
JC Brother, yeah, you don't have to put no skins on them, I'll bring the spray paint , can't have no shiney bow hunting turkeys!!!! I'll fix it right up for you!