Just got my 160 snuffers from 3rivers. WOW,these look sick! I've been shooting WW's for the past 4 years and I thought they looked big until I saw these.By the way can you fit 4 of these in a selway? Anybody else shoot these?
Yes, I am shooting them out of a 64# Thunderstick Longbow. I can get 4 into a Great Northern so I would imagine you could get them into a Selway.
Panzer...How do you like the snuffers. Tell me your experiences with them.
Richie
been shooting 160grn Snuffers for 2 years now... Makes a great big hole, resharpen them nice & easy, They fly like My field points...I get them from 3 rivers too....
My Set-up
Shrew 54" (1990's)
52#@26" (My Draw)
27"BOP Ash 60-65# 3-5.5" Nana's / 4-5.5" Nana's
Self nocks
I Use a 16" Mill Bastard File, a gerber wet stone & finish with a leather stropping w/ jewelers rough. Same way as Mr. Lamb's How-to.
You can see the entry hole from a 160grn Snuffer 3-Blade.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/mysticguido/1stbuck.jpg)
Mysticguido,
Mind if I ask what poundage of bow did you shoot for that buck?
I see it now in a previous post. Good deer.
Lin
It's a great little bow...I got it used and fit me like it was made just for me... I took off the leather handle wrap and wrapped it with artificial sinew.
I can fit 4 inside of my selway with no problem. I have the 6 arrow holder and I can layer them in fine along with a judo point for roaming.
George,
Those Snuffers look like they make great big holes in things. I bet the wind blowing through one of thoes holes might sound like one of those flour orange bear whistles.....LOL
Hey man whatever shoots good and quiet from your bow and makes ya happy is what counts.
Larry
That is my next question....What about the noise whistleing through the broadhead? Any noise?
Also what about penetration? Does the wide three blades slow it down enough to stay with tow blade grizzlys?
And... has anyone shot a bull elk with a snuffer? What happened?
Thanks
Larry,can't wait to try them at Wildcat Ridge in winter bow.
Richie,
Two elk with Snuffers, pass thru on one, the other hit the off-side shoulder.
Two elk with WW, both pass thrus. Knock off the tips a bit.
No noise that I can hear...but my hearing is less than great!
60#s, 2018 or 250 Heritage, 550 grains.
Bob
I believe the broadhead was named because of what it did to elk...
Geez Richie--64#@29"--you could shoot anything thru anything with that setup!
160 snuffers my favorite,Big hole lots of blood short trail Big smile. :goldtooth:
Yep, I use snuffers. They weren't messing around when they designed that head! Awesome broadhead for smaller game! I love them! :bigsmyl:
Nigel
My favorite......yes you can get them it a Selway quiver...just need to get them oriented right to keep the blades and fletching apart.
Check out the 2004-2007 highlights forums to see how much I like these heads. All the critters I've killed with the exception of the "left handed story bow buck" were killed with big 'ol Snuffer 160's.
Noise is not a factor as long as they're mounted to spin true. Just like any other bh, tuned right,they fly just like a field pt.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b58/Hallstead/IMG_0519.jpg)
This was my first kill with a big Snuffer. The shot was straight down out of a treestand. It left a huge hole & bloodtrail. The deer did not go 50 yards. Shot with a 54lb longbow. I am sold on `em.
I have used them for a number of years, they will put big holes in any game you hit!
I'll be using my WW's out of my 45# bow and the snuffers out of my 51#.I can't wait for the January season!
I was thinking about the WW but they are too stinkin light. That is why I am interested in maybe trying snuffers..they are a little heavier. I am currently using 190 grizzlys which I really like. I guess I am just curious what I can do with a snuffer.
My arrow set up is 26" 1916's with 3-5 1/2" nanners with 250 grain WW's and now 260 grain snuffers.
Bucky if you move up to 2016's cut 27"BOP would be a better choice in arrows,plus it will give you more mass weight harder hitting... just My $.02
Sal ,tried it, to stiff because the bow is cut before center.
Bucky, Your only 1# lighter I shoot 52# no center cut riser. Don't know why they wont work... O well..
George,
I can't wait to hunt with ya again next month.
Larry
Well I put on the 160 snuffers and boy they are VERY loud....why isn't everyone hearing noise from the snuffers.
I am shooting them out of a 66# widow.
I was really looking forward to seeing the damage I could create but I just can't stand the loud whistle all the way down range.
file down the inside edges of the vents.... I have never gotten any noise from mine..
A slight hiss maybe...but if you're hearing a loud whistle...they're not on right......
a loud hiss may be better said. I am comparing to the grizzly which of course makes no noise.
I shot a four blade zwickey with an adapter. The adapter is short enough to leave daylight showing through the broadhead. It has the same loud hiss. Of course I am not using them in that fashion any longer.
I have got the snuffs working right...guys
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/huff_photos/DSCF2361.jpg)
(http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o236/huff_photos/DSCF2360.jpg)
Snuffers...don't leave home without them :jumper:
"I have got the snuffs working right...guys"
whoops...
I have got to get the snuffs working right
Ok need some help getting these snuffers quite.
The arrow spins perfectly, I have filed the inside edges best I can. Still loud hiss as it heads down range.
what is going on?
Help Help
what kine of arrow wood/alum/carbon if you can turn you nock just a little. Your arrow is making the noise from going though paradox... By turning the nock you change the amount of feather hitting the window or shelf, helping to bring it out of paradox....
I don't believe that is the noise. I am shooting aluminum arrows. I have been for a long time with grizzlies with ZERO noise.
It has to be air going in and out of the spinning snuffer.
Richie,
Are you hitting what you want with them? Good groups? If so, it is "the hiss of death"; go kill something ;)
yeah, Grizzly's dont have vents...cut some holes in them and see how they sound :D
That is my point.....surely all snuffers are loud. How does anyone use them efficiently?
I shoot great with them. I just can't stand the noise. I still feel like I am missing something here regarding these blades.
I have killed 5 deer in the last 2 years with these heads. If you can get them scary sharp, they make for a short recovery. Never had problems with the hissing sound and deer jumping the string. I think it's kinda cool!
Been shooting 160 grain Snuffers, and the prototype Biscuit Cutters, since 1970 when Roger took two of them off his own arrows and gave them to me to use. Killed my first Mule Deer with one two days later.
Incredible damage the 160gr Snuffer does to a critter !!
Richie, try make your arrows heavyer, they'll slow down and lose the noise.
Richie- the noise might be due to a burr in one of the vents if it is that loud. If it bothers you try one of these fixes-either take a stone or a small file and work around the vents, smoothing the edges, this could be from a very small burr. Otherwise I know of lots of guys that put a small piece of scotch tape across the big back vents to cut the air flow. I've used 'em since I started hunting 22 years ago and I've never worried about the noise, last sound the animal will ever hear. Last year I shot completely through a bull moose's chest with a big Snuffer. Back when we manufactured the heads people sent in kill pic's and I'm sure there were at least 50 elk and 15-20 bull Alaskan moose in those albums....and that was years ago. My bull elk went approx 30 yards after I shot through a rib going in and broke through the offside front leg coming out.
R
I only got to the offside ribs on this guy (twice). One of the few animals I've not had pass through penetration on with big Snuffers. Shooting 66lbs@29 inches, 680 gr arrow.
Ryan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/bull.jpg)
Nice to hear it from the "horse's" mouth. I am shooting a 730 grain arrow with the snuffers and adapters. Also, I am pulling 66# at 30 inches similiar to yourself.
I will keep tinkering with it to make it work.
Thanks
You got no worries with that setup and the big heads....except shooting through the critter you are aiming at and then shooting through another one behind him!
Any imperfections in the paint job on the head could create some noise as well....are you getting similar levels of noise from several heads or have you only tried one?
2 years ago I shot an old long nosed doe at about 20 yards with a "noisy" snuffer. She was so old and wise she should have been wearing support hose. Anyway, she busted me drawing on her and she was already on high alert (I don't think those old does are ever not on high alert) She was staring me down at 20 yards when I let the string slip and she never moved a muscle until the arrow was on the way out her off side shoulder. That was all the proof I'll ever need.
Get them scary sharp and go kill something!
Richie: Try this, smear a little vaseline on one or two of your heads being sure to hit the edges of the vents. You need very little...just enough to leave a light film. Let us know how that works for you.
I have been using big snuffers for 20 years tryed diffrent heads never have been satisfied.Nothing has worked any better than snuffers NOISE thats the sound of DEATH.
Ryan...I have setup two out of the package and they both sound the same. I did put tape over the vents and it was perfectly quite. However the tape doesn't stay on long when shooting a targer. But hunting shouldn't matter at all when only needing one shot.
I will also try the vaseline.....Thanks for the help.
I am really, really wanting to see the damage it will do.
You might be suprised how much noise even a field tips make! speically aluminum shafts unfilled. Position youself ("safely" with adeqate protection-like a big tree or a building) 10 yards down range on a twenty yard shot.Have a friend shoot a few for you. It's a big eye, err, hear opener!!Other shafts wood/carbons are usually quieter (all fletchings being equal)
3 under....I am well aware of the noise the fletching makes. My brother and I have done exactly what you speak of and the quitest arrow is not as quiet when standing down range.
It is hearing the arrow when up range that bothers me and surely the deer.
Here is a 1 1/2 yr old doe I shot a while back, pretty steep quartering away angle, 10-15 yd shot.
Entry through front of large muscle on ham:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/entry.jpg)
Exit back of off shoulder:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/exit.jpg)
The arrow was half way out the off side...she didn't go very far-no blood trail needed on this one. I'm always amazed at how much people worry about penetration with big heads....I've never found it to be an issue.
Good luck with getting your heads dialed in, Richie!
Ryan
Finally glued up a snuffer today.I was going to glue them as 260 grain (160 head 100 insert) but glued them as 285(160 head 125 insert).Not only did they fly great out of my 51# bow but they flew great out of my 45# bow! How is it that these arrows flew the same as my 250 grain heads? The 35 grains had no effect on my arrow flight.How many grains does it take to make a differance?
are You sure????
You said they fly great out of the 51# & 45# bows..You most likely got them to come out of paradox faster, but just not seeing it...Your in the bell curve
I am thinking about buying some.
Sal,I couldn't believe it either but to my eyes at 18 yards they flew perfect.Tomorrow I might try them with the 2016's out of the 51#.
I used 2016's cut 29"BOP w/125grn Snuffers out of me Shrew 52#@26" Darts...about 7yards bullet holes in paper tune. Now I just shoot Ash 60-65# 27"BOP topped w/160grn Snuffers....They bring meat Home :readit:
I have also found that 3 or 4 fletching works great with them, I Use 5.5" nana's.
I've been shooting snuffers for more than twenty years.No need for me to change. :campfire:
Roger Rotharr shot a big bull moose that quite far away and cut off a rib going in and a rib going out.Complete pass through.
Consider this.If the head is making noise,it's behind the head.The noise does not occur until the head cuts the air. By the time the noise is at the animal,the head is in.
If you don't believe it,stand in a safe place,a few feet away from the bale,but exactly beside the bale.See when you hear the arrow.I've done this,the outcome will surprise you.
One more thing,I've only used wooden shafts with the snuffer,so I can't say what they do with other materials. :campfire:
It doesn't matter where the sound comes from, it still travels at about 761 miles per hour.
Correct Mr. Magoo, no arrow is faster than the speed of sound.
It would be nice to have a solid snuffer. No vents and another 40 grains added.
Big Bad Mama Jamma Stealth 200.
For the record that name is copyrighted 2007,
The arrow on the left is a 26" 1916 with a 250 grain WW head. The arrow on the right is a 26" 1916 with a 285 grain snuffer. These arrows were shot out of my 45 lb. and 51 lb. bow. As you can see there is a small drop on the heavier arrow at 22 yards.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a242/shortstuff5186/000_0891.jpg)
Sal, tried the 2016's today,WAY to stiff.Even with 285 the 1916's are perfect.