I have tried quite a few different brands of bows and I have not found a "short" recurve that doesn't stack at my draw. Is there a recurve out there at 58" or less that I could shoot without any stack at all?
thanks, chris
How long is your draw?
Stacking is caused by the string angle approaching 90 degrees to the limb. If you have a long draw, you are going to get to the 90 degree mark and stack. The only way to beat it is to go to a longer bow.
Mike
Chris,
Try a Saluki, I have had guy's with 30+ inch draws pull back my 52" Scythian with no problems.
What Tony said :0)
Check out Morrison's new recurve. Heck if I can remember it's name.
homebru
Morrison Cheyene. Duh.
homebru
RER Arroyo at 54"s and 58"s will get ya there with no pinch or stack and what Tony said. Shawn
The Morrison will not do that, look at Bob's site. He tells ya what length bow to get with your draw and a 30" draw gets at least a 60" bow but more likely a 62"er. Shawn
The Black Mountain Obsidian can handle your draw. It handles mine just fine.
I love short bows. We see a ton of them come thru our shop, both new and used.
I have checked dozens and dozens of short bows on scales. Very few actually stack unless they go over 30". I measure beginning at 26". Most have an increase of 2-3 lbs. Most go to 31" before you see the pounds increase to about 4 lbs.
I think many people confuse the finger pinch and the extra 5-6 pounds between 28 and 30" as stack.
Some of the short bows pull about the same at 29 as they do at 28", there is a flat spot there on some bows. The next time you think your bow stacks, put it on a scale, you might be surprised at what you see. Example" I just checked a 54" PSR . It pulls all the way to 31 before it stacks an extra 1.5-2 pounds!
With a draw length that long, I'd worry more about pinch than stacking...
QuoteOriginally posted by SRTA:
I think many people confuse the finger pinch and the extra 5-6 pounds between 28 and 30" as stack.
I agree!
I pull 29-1/2" and can hear squeaking in my glove when pulling my 60" bow. I've got a 62" bow that shouldn't pinch as badly -- but it's a 10# heavier draw weight and is hell on my fingers.
I can readily shoot bows as short as 54" as long as the draw weight stays below 60#. Over 70#, though, and finger pinch takes it's toll when you shoot lots of arrows and don't like thick gloves or tabs.
Stack isn't the only thing to worry about when you're pulling 30 inches...
Shrew's
I have felt the difference between finger pinch and stacking. I appreciate the input about finger pinch but I am aware that some bows handle long draw lengths better than others and I am just looking for opinions from others who have tried short bows. I would love to be aable to shot a shrot bow, but I have not been able to find a bow that doesn't stack.
finger pinch is very much an issue dont get me wrong. I didn't mean to come across like I did in my above post.....I just re read it and realized I might have come across defensive and I did not mean to.
I have a Saluki bow that will go out to 30". It also will pull out smoothly. They are pretty darn fast too. Most horsebows don't have a shelf and that can be a problem. Lucas at Saluki will make them either way.
The Arroyo has the static tips like the Obsidian vermonster mentions and they do not pinch or stack due to the limb design. Shawn
I just received a 54" Saluki Turk in a trade. The draw force curve is as follows -
26" - 42 lb
27" - 44 lb
28" - 46 lb
29" - 48 lb
30" - 50.5 lb
That's a pretty smooth draw force curve. But the most interesting thing is the string angle at full draw, quite low for a short bow.
and btw, thanks Tony... for ordering this Turk from Lukas about 4 years ago. :-)
My personal experience with a Black Mountain bow that I owned about 3 years ago... not good after the 26" mark, as it increased 3 lbs/inch to 28" and 3.5 lbs/inch from the 29-30" mark. I think it was 48 @ 28. Could have been just THAT particular bow, as it was the only one I owned. And that may not be considered true "stacking", but it is quite common on some of the really short bows (54" amo and shorter).
- Dave
My 58" BigJim Thunderchild handles my 30" draw just fine.
The string angle, and the location of the working limb, (where the limb is bending) is what determines the stacking point.
There are some really great shorter bows being built today by a number of different bowyer's that draw smooth out to 30".
here is a 60" Sasquatch hybrid long bow drawn to 30". check out the string angle on this one. I build this bow in a 58" too.
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bow%20building/Tiller%20Tree%20stuff/CIMG0146.jpg)
Just curious, why are you looking for such a short bow for that draw length?
So, short risered bows with longer working limbs, static tip limb bows, horse bows would be a great grouping of bows to investigate. I loved my Saluki, short and fast, but stringing it was at times scary. I had a 54" Windstorm that fit the short riser-longer working limb category that shot great and had no noticeable stack or finger pinch. Chuck Deshler's 50" Ambush has had great reviews from 30+ draw lengths as has the Hoots/Aneewakee bows. Good luck.
What's wrong with the old faithful Kodiak Mag if finger pinch isn't an issue? I see guys here and on other sites that shoot the mag at 30 inches. Never been a smoother drawing bow than the bear recurves in MHO.
If a custom job is your hankering give Mike Mecredy of Maddog a holler. I have a 60 and 65 longbow that I don't draw nearly that far, but I have several friends that own 58 and 60 inch ones that draw 30 and they love theirs.
Saluki, Big Jim Thunderchild, Hoots, Schrew, Bamabows Expedition, and without a doubt....... Jack Kempf Kwyk!
Matt
Shot a Hoots last year at K-Zoo, and was very impresses by the bow. Very comfortable to shoot. I draw 29.5 inches. This year I have been hunting with a Grayling era Kodiak Magnum. It kind of bottoms out just a bit past my draw length, but I have grown use to the feel of it and have grown to like it a lot. It almost functions somewhat like a cllicker I think. I know when I feel that little bit extra tension, that I am truly at full draw.
I have a '64 Kodiak Magnum (52"). It is only 40 @ 28, so the following statement has nothing to do with a draw weight limitation on my part....
The limbs feel like they bottom-out at around 30". They don't feel like they can go much further without a risk of delamination. Like Chuck said, kind of like a draw stop of sorts.
- Dave
Hey 2Fletch how does that Black Creek Banshee you beat me to at the Hill shoot last year draw to 30"? I know it did just fine @ 29"
No
shrew
Yep, Shrew. I think Bob drew his to 31"
I have a 29 1/2" draw and love my 52" Cascade Nigh Hawk and 56" Cascade Brush Hawk.
Chris Hill wrote about short bows in the latest Trad Archer's World Mag.
I can build you a 56 inch Static tip Eaglewing top mount that will not stack at 30 inches./
I have a 56" shrew classic hunter that is my pride and joy....No finger pinch, or stack at my 29 1/2" draw. After hunting with it the past couple years, cant imagine hunting with anything longer now.
My "Tornado"will fit you.I also have a long draw (31") i built it to be stack free for me.
I have seen my Two Tracks Ambush 50" recurve drawn to 30 1/2" repeatedly (not by me, I draw 28" on the money) and it keeps on performing and performing. An no, the string wont pull off like one guy asked.
Shrew, Lost Creek, Black Mt and RER come to mind.
I have a few short bows that stack. I draw around 30".
The bow pulls back to a point that it just wants to stop. I look at it as ok if the bow still shoots even at this extreme point in the draw. 52 ", 58" and some 60" bows all stack for me. I own some really light weight bows and you can still have the issue.
Both the Kempf Raven and Kwyk Styk at 56" with Static limb tips will pull smooth to 30".
I've been pulling a 54" Shakespeare Super Necedah to 30 1/2" for forty years. No stack, no negative results of any kind, if you ignore my accuracy!
Last year at Kazoo my friend was drawing a 54" Hoots recurve to 31" without any stacking or pinch. Very impresive bows with great looks and cast. On my list to own.
I have a Wes Wallace B-model Mentor. 15" riser as well as the main stay Mentor at 19". I have both risers and can use any of my limbs for either riser. My draw is about 271/2". I had a friend shoot my bow with a slightly longer draw at just over 29". He told me at his draw length it was stacking. I picked up the bow and over drew to about 29" and felt what he was saying. What I'm eluding to is I believe Wes's 58" setup would work well for you if it started to stack at 30" as it would be like having a silent clicker to let you know your at full draw, a consistent anchor? This has helped me shoot mine with very pleasing results. You need Wes's 62" limbs with his b-model riser. The working limbs of a 62" bow in a small package. My 56" is wicked fast!! The specs of my B-model Mentor are 56" 61#@28", Carbon Express Heritage 250, 625 gr.. Very smooth and confidence inspiring. I think it may work for you and worth a try. I love mine so much that if I were asked if I could have only one bow, this one would be it, does everything about as good as anything. I know the 56" would be too short for you though.
Centaur, Big Jim Thunderchild, Shrew, Dwyer Endeaver and lots more just keep asking and looking.
OH yea Big Jim is about 6'5 300lbs and his arms are as long as i have ever seen and he shoots his Thunderchild with no problem.
Joe Van
I shoot a new Bear Super Grizzly. It is 55@28 and I too have a 30" draw. Does not stack for me at all. Overall it is a great production bow.
I've shot a few Ambush recurves (including Mike's) and they do perform. I'm more of a longbow guy, but I release at 31.25" so I know what it's like to shop for a short bow with a long draw.
If I were looking for a really short recurve, the Ambush would be the first bow I'd be looking at.
Thom
Sounds like there are tons of bows with no stack at 30 inches that are 56 and under. Its a testiment to the great bowyers we have today.
Well brutha Steve... you think i should pull "Flipper" off the wall and build more limbs for it?
That's a 48" RC desin.... Stringing it wasn't a problem. KEEPING a string on it was.... :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
That bow has been hanging on the wall for over 3 years now, and I've never laid up a second set of limbs for it. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
flipper would work but He's an icon that reminds one of another day. You probably couldn't build Flipper today if you wanted too.
God bless you all, Steve
Oh... Flipper sounds like a very bad name for a recurve. The string end up on the wrong side of the bow after the shot?
Thom