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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Cody Roiter on October 10, 2009, 09:38:00 PM
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Hello Guys, I would like to see some pics of some heavyweight bows made by Bear.. I was all ways thinking that really anything over 55 pounds would sell better then the same Bear bow in 45 pounds.. Is it true that heavyweight Bear's sell better then lowweigth bows ?..
Anyways I just would like to see some pics any heavyweight Bear bows...
Thanks Guys,
Cody
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lefty 1959 Kodiak, 97#
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The pics are next to a 48# kodiak by the way.
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Got a nice 1966, 100# Kodiak in LH. If I can ever figure out to post a pic, I will. Maybe I can email pics to someone that can post them?
-Joe-
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Joe,
send em to [email protected].
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i have some heavyweight bears...ill take some pics today! joe, that 62 kodiak you just sold me is mighty sweet!
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Jeff do you shoot that 97# Kodiak ?... That is a great looking bow.. Thanks Guys for the info,
Cody
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No, I don't shoot it Cody. I doubt if I could. But I would try if I could get it strung. I'm afraid it might break during the stringing process.
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This Gaggle of Wedgie 70# to 100# Bears are marked with years and weights.... A couple of TrandGangers helped me out with these... Thanks to Doc for selling me the 1953-1/2 Kodiak on 8Bay (actaully I stole it as I don't think anybody else knew what the heck it was). Thanks to John for selling me the 1961 and trading the 1960 Kodiak Deluxe... I'm always looking to buy or trade for heavy weight Wedgie Kodiaks...
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Here's a 75# 1959 Bear Kodiak. Superb bow.
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Cody- My bows are all over the 60# line but these bows are the real deal when it comes to heavyweights. I'm negotiating now for a 74# 1967 Super Kodiak but that is as heavy as I want to shoot. Maybe as heavy as I can shoot unless just pulling it back and launching an arrow counts, lol. Great looking stuff guys. When men were men, right? Grant
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Bill - boy, that is a nice 64" 75# 1959 Kodiak. I have its 64" 75# younger brother, a 1960 Kodiak. Took a couple of bows with me to Florida during the late 1990s and had Frank Scott sign them. He signed this one in the sight window but signature is pretty light... Frank said it was far more bow than he ever thought of shooting.
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Here's a couple of mine I have left(before Wade gets them!)
One is a 1959 Kodiak,64" and 123#.The other is a beautiful 1960 Kodiak,no coin,64" and 90#.Both wedge sight windows.Wish I knew who the 123# '59 was made for.
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Last pic shows the limb comparison of the 123# Kodiak to a 35# Kodiak.
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Very nice bows. Bet there is some interesting stuff written under that leather! :bigsmyl:
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youre killing me!
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hey Johnnyboy once again I know the answer to your quest or question.Not who but whom was the owner of the 123# 1959 Kodiak ???? from the looks of your pic I would say its a lefthander weddie ? yes ? nope it was not Fred's.Fred would have crapped his pants stringing that beast.Glenn's ? not gonna happen.
However I do know a man whom would string it like no tomorrow and snatch her back to 28 and hold it for the 8 second ride.But I would bet you I do know who's or whom's(is whoms a word?) it was...but its gonna cost ya this time.Or better yet post a pic of just that bow and see if anyone knows who or whoms it was or was built for. ? bd
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Nice, very nice. I remember seeing a 75# LH bow that belonged to Fred Bear,I wonder where it is today?
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Doc, would that be the same fella from Texas that went to Africa? Initials BN.
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Hud- I actually thought the same thing when I got the bow so I called Texas and personally spoke to Bill Negley.He told me it was NOT his bow,he didn't shoot quite that heavy.
Bowdoc- I will post a pic of just the bow and see if anyone knows who,or whom it was made for.I know Bill Wright shot heavy bows but I'm not sure if it was his.Was he a lefty?
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it may have never been delivered to the atcual customer.
Yes Bill was one for sure but he choose to use the 1957-1958 Kodiak Special coming in at about 100#-107# somewhere in there on his Elephant.I also know who or whom has the 100# 65-66 Kodiak.bd
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Awesome pics guys ... thanks for posting.
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no Bill was not a lefty.I was just asking ? bd
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You guys are killing me.I wish I had all those 100# yes that 123# bow is a sweet easy bow to shoot.I'm very sad. I'm geting a 120# sun bear yes.
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great pic Cody.There were a lot of the old guy's who shot 90+ #ers.I can't even string a 90# recurve.bd
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Cody - Negley used a 102# 1957 Bear Kodiak to take his first elephant. This is the 100# little brother to Negley's elephant bow... He normally shot much lighter bows. Negley's book gives a great insight into the man and his hunts...
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Nice Bow Wade, Thanks for posting.. I still have not got to read Mr. Negley's book.. I am sure I will read it one day....
Cody
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Wade, I wonder if the bow you have.. Is the same as the bow in the news paper print?? (http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu197/TradBowKid/BillN2082.jpg)
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Cody - Nice articles.
Don't known what I was thinking when I posted that first photograph, but just replaced it with one that also has Negley's arrow...
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Hey Cody the bow Bill used on the elephant is on display in Texas.Bob Burton checked it out while his was down there hog hunting a few years back.bd
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That bow is in the Buckhorn Saloon in San Antonio as well as a few other pieces from Negley including some mounts I believe. Pretty neat, Grant
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Grant - Not sure which bow you were referring to when you said "That bow".
The last time I saw Negley's 102# 1957 Kodiak it was in the Bear Museum. It was inscribed by Fred to Negley. That was about the year 2000.
Negley had five of the 1957 Kodiaks in incremental weights as he worked up to the 102#. He also had a lot of other bows. We may not be talking about the same bow.
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I think but I'am not positive Bob told me the bow Bill killed the elephant with was the one in the saloon ??? bd
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That bow at Negley's feet sure isn't a 1957 Kodiak with a wedge sight window...
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Doc - Negley killed more than one Elephant...
This is Negley with his 1957 Elephant taken with a 1957 Kodiak, which is clearly visible... this is a small elephant (if there is such a create) Photo on page 65 "Archer in Africa".
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Below is Negley with his 1973 Elephant with the bow you show... this is a large elephant with much longer ivory... Negley wanted to get a large elephant on this trip... Photo on page 190 "Archer in Africa".
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Would the the other bow be the one that Ben Pearson Archery made for him ??....
Nice stuff guys,
Cody
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great pics.
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Buckhorn Museum/ San Antonio
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virgil.v, Nice photographs of the wall in the saloon. I am assuming that Fred's 10 to 1 inscription on the bow is the one on the wall.
If so that bow does not appear to be a wedge sight window when I blew up the photograph 500% but it is very grainy...
Just reduced the enlargement to 200% and it does appear to be a wedge sight window...
Did you turn the bow over to take a photograph of the other side with the markings on it?
Fred made 5 1957 Kodiaks for Negley. One broke.
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Hello Wade I am not the person who took the pictures at the museum, so i'm going to ask my freind if is got some more pics of the bow.
One question for you Wade do you Recognize the man on the far left ?
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While we look back nostalgically at Negley's accomplisments, they were not without their controversy in their day from his fellow bowhunters.....
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This editorial appeared in The National Bowhunter magazine, July 1957 issue. Carl Hulbert was the editor.
Yule
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Good article ... I personally think that hunting an elephant with a bow or any other type of weapon is ... well, lets just say, Its not for me.
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virgil.v - The distinguished looking gentleman on the left looks a lot like a very nice fellow I met at Compton this year.. However, I do not remember his name, shame on me. Is that fellow in the middle the famous Englishman/Bowman/Author?
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Back to the mystery of figuring out which bow Negley used to kill his 1957 elephant...
Everything after this paragraph is from "An Archer in Africa", beginning with the last paragraph on page 31 and continuing through to the first second paragraph of page 33, Bill Negley wrote...
“ … the hundred-pounder was on order and arrived about mid-January.
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In fact it was a double package. Two bows- one was a ninety-six pounder, and the second was a one-hundred-two-pounder.
I promptly tested the one-hundred-two pounder and found it even more exciting than the ninety-pounder had been. One hundred pounds had a reassuring ring to it. And this one carried two extra pounds for good measure. This was like going through the sound barrier. All the articles by the archery editors and assorted sages that I had studied seemed to hint that the new worlds begin at one hundred pounds.
The brightly varnished limbs on this bow were visibly thicker than its forerunners: the twenty-four-strand darcon string smelled of fresh beeswax and again was much thicker than anything I have worked with up till today. Arch and I recalled how appalled we had been seven months or so ago when we first strung and tried to draw the old hundred-pounder from the back closet.
This beautiful thing had a fresh, clean leather wrapping on the perfectly-formed grip, and on the broad surface just above the grip, in black india ink, and electric message: “To Bill Negley-Made especially to kill an elephant-Fred Bear”. At this moment, the whole prospect seemed much more reasonable than at any moment up to now."
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Page 79 “Archer in Africa” printed - 1989
What appears to be a photograph taken with the ivory still attached to the elephant, shows a 1957 Kodiak with no inscription above the grip and opposite the shelf…
The five 1957 Kodiaks that Fred made for Negley were...
73#
78# broken while shooting, and went into the trash
90#
96#
102# inscribed “To Bill Negley-Made especially to kill an elephant-Fred Bear”
Which of the other three bows, 73#, 90# or 96# is inscribed “I’m betting 10 to 1 that you will kill Tembo - Fred Bear” ???
From this photograph, the implication is that Negely used a bow that was not inscribed ...
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wow now thats a trip wonder how many of those bows there really are ?????? bd
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Who knows only a few. Who can draw and shoot bows in 100# and above.in the uk huge bows are making a big come back.
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Doc, There were 5 Negley 1957 Kodiaks, but one was broken and thrown in the trash, leaving 4.
From the book, I haven't positively figured out which weight bow he actaully used to kill the 1957 elephant.
Remember, he killed the first elephant in 1957, and the book was published 32 years later in 1989...
Would be interesting to find out the weight of the bow inscribed “I’m betting 10 to 1 that you will kill Tembo - Fred Bear”. Obviously from the words on the inscription, Fred inscribed the text before Negley killed the first elephant. Logically, Fred inscribed bow before it was mailed to Negley.
If I were guessing, I'd guess the 96# has the “I’m betting 10 to 1" inscription, simply because Negley said the 96# and 102# were shipped together. One would logically assume Fred would not inscribe the 102# and leave the 96# without some type of inscription.
I saw the 102# in the Bear Museum. In the 1999-2001 period, I twice saw either the 73#, 90# or 96#, but can not remember which one. I never took any photographs. It is in the collection of a collector and I don't remember it being inscribed.
73#
78# broken while shooting, and went into the trash
90#
96#
102# inscribed “To Bill Negley-Made especially to kill an elephant-Fred Bear”
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Who knows only a few. Who can draw and shoot bows in 100# and above.in the uk huge bows are making a big come back.
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Who knows only a few. Who can draw and shoot bows in 100# and above.in the uk huge bows are making a big come back.
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now its getting iteresting.bd
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Here are pics from Joe (azdriheat).
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Yes that bow is a burry. Bow doc did a very nice job.
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Great pictures - great stories!
Here is my own little strongbow, whom I call Moskito - as its tiny and stings. An 80# Super Magnum 48
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Moskito_0601_600)
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Moskito_0604_600)
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Moskito_5117_600)
Shot it for some time but the deep grip is not well suited for my style. An other problem is that even my 2317s are to weak in spine.
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Falk, Would you happen to have any photo's of you drawing that bow ?.. Very nice bow by the the way...
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Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
virgil.v - The distinguished looking gentleman on the left looks a lot like a very nice fellow I met at Compton this year.. However, I do not remember his name, shame on me. Is that fellow in the middle the famous Englishman/Bowman/Author?
Wade, the man on the left is François d’Elbée the PH who guide William Negley on is last(?) elephant hunt in 1985 in Tanzania.
The man in the middle is a special man for me and a lot of use back in France.
Is name wath Michel Deramond, Michel wath one of the first French bowhunter and the one how create with fews other the first french bowhunting association back in 1969.
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Virgil - I hope there is some way that you can find to forgive my ignorance in mistaking a Frenchman for an Englishman. I do sincerely apologize for my incompetence. The building in your photograph, looked European to me, and my thoughts immediately turned to England.
Yes, François d’Elbée, is pictured in chapter 15 of Negley's book. Frankly, from the photographs in the book of him in field hunting clothing, I would have never recognized him as being the same person in your photograph, but the resemblance is easily recognized after comparing the images.
I understand now, your keen interest in Negley and the connection to your countryman, François d’Elbée.
Has François d’Elbée ever wrote of his experiences as a PH, or of guiding Negley?
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Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
Virgil - "I hope there is some way that you can find to forgive my ignorance in mistaking a Frenchman for an Englishman. I do sincerely apologize for my incompetence. The building in your photograph, looked European to me, and my thoughts immediately turned to England. "
"Has François d’Elbée ever wrote of his experiences as a PH, or of guiding Negley?"
Confuse an Englishman and Frenchman is not really serious but confused an Englishman and a Scotsman and is the drama. :biglaugh:
I'm searching the article for you and post it here and to your mail if you want a high res copy.
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Cody, there is no pic with me shooting that SuperMag. In fact, there are almost no pictures with me shooting or drawing any bow! Thats because I usually do the camera and/or am shooting for myself ...
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if you want a high-resolution copies of the article give me your mail
1957 bet:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080133/1/index.htm
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Virgil - I'm pleased that my mistake in Nationalities did not offend you.
You posted a very nice article about Negley's last elephant hunt. Guess I should say, nice photographs, because I sure can't read a single word in the French language (actually I can't read all that many in the English language either).
I watched the footage of Negley's elephant hunts several times over the past few days. Boy, Negley is sure pictured with several different bows in all that footage and the book. Hard to keep track of it all but I am trying to get it documented properly between the book and the film footage. Challenging for sure.
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Originally posted by Wade Phillips:
"(actually I can't read all that many in the English language either). "
I do not know why but I am sure you will be able to read this :D
Please tell me that you have the april and may Eastern Bowman.
I paid 10$ juste for this article but it was real fun to search for it.
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I hope Cody isnt uppset if I post the front page of an article written about an Negley African adventure in his strongbow thread? This is out of the German issue of Playboy 07-1981:
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Even if you should be able to read German, the TG-rules obeying picture width will not allow you to do so, sorry! So ponder over the artistic background and contact me if you should need this article for your archive. It is pretty lame though. But you'll get the cover page of the magazine along with it - for free :readit:
I am not allowed to write the word here at all, but to have a look at the XXXX might be worth the pain with the German language?!
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Falk, Can you send me a copy to my email
[email protected]
Thanks man,
Cody
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Heres my newly aquired 71# Kodiak (http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m332/highlandwarrior11/P1011402-1.jpg) (http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m332/highlandwarrior11/P1011405.jpg) Any ideas as to the age?
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Going through some old photographs on the computer today and happened to find these two from the Bear Museum that I took on 7-14-2001… they show the plaque and Negley’s 102# Kodiak…
The second sentence of the plaque states… “Mr. Negley took an African Bull Elephant with it in 1956 to win a $10,000 bet.”…
Actually the hunt was early 1957, not 1956. And judging from the photographs in Negley’s book at the kill site, and the film footage that Bear released of Negley’s hunt, evidence indicates one of the other 1957 Bear Kodiaks may have been used rather then one with an inscription opposite the shelf side of the riser....
I knew I'd seen this bow and plaque in the Bear Museum, just took a while (11 days since Oct 16, 2001) to find the photographs...
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Wade- What was the bow Negley carried on his last hunt in Virgil's "Sports Illustrated spread posting. Looks almost like a Tarter or Temujin. That was a new one for me. I know you know so thanks, GY
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Grant - Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't know what the bow is that Negley used on his last hunt. I haven't even tried to figure it out. It's not a Bear Kodiak, I will bet on that.
My real interest in the 102# bow was for the bow itself, as opposed to being interested in Negley's later hunt.
As you can guess from looking at the photographs that I took at the Bear Museum, the 102# Kodiak was securely fastened to the wooden plaque. The bow was in sort of a secure area, in an place that it was not easy to get close to the bow so it could be touched. I asked Frank Scott if I could get close to the bow and try to look down along side the plaque and read the serial number and poundage of the bow.
Frank said sure, but the shelf side and the serial number was so close to the plaque that I did not have room to look at the serial number. I had a small mirror with me (just for this purpose as I was thinking ahead for once, actaully I'd already tried to read it on a previous trip and could not make out the numbers.) I inserted the mirror along side the wood and slid it in front of the numbers. I still had to jockey around to read the serial number, which turned to out be a bit of a disappointment.
I thought that my 100# 1957 Kodiak might be a sequentially numbered bow to Negley's 102#, indicating it was made in the same batch with Negley's 96# and 102#, which would have been pretty cool. As it turned out they were not sequentially numbered.
This episode only proves again, just how crazy collectors can be.
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highland, that bow is a late 80s/early 90s....good shooter
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thanks newell, I've got an 83# K-mag I'll be getting in afew weeks. I like the old bows but can't pass up good deals on heavy bows of any year
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Thanks for the reply Wade. I couldn't help wondering. Like you, all I knew for sure was that it wasn't a Kodiak.
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Here is the equipment used on Negly’s last elephant hunt. It’s written in French in Virgil’s post.
• 2, 100# Damon Howatts (written Hoywat)
• Easton 20/20 and 20/18 arrows with double interior tubes. (I wonder if that means that the 20/18 was slid inside the 20/20?)
• Schultz and Howard Hill broadheads.
Simon
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Simon,
I'm no expert on Easton arrows, but I believe that both a 20/20 and a 20/18 have the same outside diameter of 20/64ths or 5/16". Doesn't seem likely that the 20/18 was slid inside the 20/20.
I may have to take the Zwickey broadhead and adapter off the Negley arrow that I have to see what is inside if anything... Seems Negley has created all sorts of mysteries for us crazy collectors to try to solve.
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cool stuff guys.
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I just picked up a set of 73lb Chastain limbs for a Bear Grayling Takedown. I can't post pics but they seem to out shoot my 70lb # red tips by leaps and bounds. They almost turn the heaviest spine arrows I have around in the air LOL. All Keith did to make them was to glue on a nice little wedge onto one of his own sets of wapiti limbs and fit them to the Bear riser, pretty cool. One thing interesting about them is there about half the weight of the bear limbs.
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Ya, I really like his superK replica too Grant, I seen several around town here at different shops. He does stick with the less radical recurve on those superK replica's. But I'm sure they shoot very well, in fact I probably shot one at Bob's. RMSG has at least a couple right now too. One of them is in real low weight, like 27lbs or something.
I'm probably shooting the Chastain/Bear limbs @ close to 80lbs. I have some 100lb+ shafts that are cut down to 30 which with quite a bit of weight up front should fly better than the ones mentioned above. The ones I have shot in it already were cut down about a quarter of an inch (31 3/4) with 400 grains up front to make a arrow a little over 700 grains. These shorter ones I'll have to weight down more, I might have to use a weight tube and a lot up front. I'd like to have them up around 850 or 900 grains. It shoots my really short heavy stump arrows well though.
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Larry,what about posting a pic of those Chastain/Bear limbs?
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Larry- I have to say that I think there is a point of diminished return with arrow weight. 700 plus grains is a lot of arrow and the added speed and flatter trajectory you'll get with 80# is going to be a really lethal combo. I rarely offer my opinion up on matters of this type but I guess I just did, LOL. Sounds like you have a real "killer" rig. Grant
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Felix, I'm pretty sure that I can't post picks here. Photo bucket decided to make me pay for some reason so I just canceled the account. The limbs have the really radical recurve but are just plain jane with black glass. I can't tell what the core wood is but they are much lighter than the really heavy weight bear fascor limbs that I have. The are 60" on an A riser.
Grant I shoot anywhere from 12 to 16 grains to the pound of bow weight most of the time. It is way better for the limbs on all bows, especially with a longer draw. So If I'm shooting @77lbs, that would be up in the 800s for grains at the very least. When I shoot on an outdoor range I like to shoot at 45 yards a lot and some at 60 and 65 and even 80 at one particular range. Most of my hypo bows will gap at 60 yards with a 12 grains per pound arrow. My classic bears are behind that a little but have great potential with more aggressive string material.
These Chastains limbs are smoken fast though and remind of what Schafer limbs must be like( for the bear takedowns). I guess I ought to chrono them.
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Yes because I think those limbs cost a fraction of the Shafer's.
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I thought that Al Reader owned one of Bill Negley's heavyweights, must have read that in the recent TBM interview...
Lucas