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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: 450 marlin on August 29, 2009, 01:44:00 PM
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Picked up this Grizzly today, looks to be a '59 with a silver coin, RH and 49#...64" length,the catalog states 62" only (NO SPECIAL ORDERS) so has anyone seen a 64" Grizzly in their travels?
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/0710point/1251567341.jpg)
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Roy, I just looked at the one Bjorn let me borrow and it's a 62"... I have never seen a 64" before...
Nice Bow,
Cody
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Never heard of 64" Grizzlys either. I’m no expert but I really like Grizzlys. That’s a great bow right there.
Simon
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Roy, thats a great looking bow there. I also have never seen a 64" Grizzly.
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Hmmmmm, very interesting.
Looks near mint to boot.
Great find Roy, Trap
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Roy, Great looking bow. The more I see the older Grizzly's the more I like them. Nice find!!!!!
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That string on it is off my old '59 Kodiak 64", it is not a miss-marked bow..
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That is a real find there. I wonder if an employee made a lunch box special by using a 64" kodiak form.
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Roy - Great score. Have never seen a 64" 1959 Grizzly.
Wonder is the riser is the same length as a 62"? Just measured a 62" 1959 Grizzly, it is 22" from fade out end to fade out end. It is 60-1/4" tip to tip in a straight line.
How does your 64" compare?
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Horney Toad - Roy's photos of the 64" Grizzly riser look like a Grizzly upper riser which has a lot more meat in the last 4 to 5" when compared to a 64" 1959 Kodiak which really tapers down those last 4' to 5".
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WOW, I find it amazing that after all these years, fresh new unheard of examples of bows and other tackle are showing up.
Roy's 64" Grizzly, Greg's truckload of Stewart Bears, Wade's Zebra Wood Clear glass 60 Kodiak and others I can't think of right now.
What's next? A 52" MSW 59 Kodiak?
I mean, just think about all of the people that have collected Bear Archery equipment through the years, and this 64" 59 Grizzly has probably just been displayed on someone's wall for the better part of 50 years.
Is there a story with this bow Roy?
Trap
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This is a great mystery. Never, ever heard of a 64" grizzly. Too bad Frank Scott is not still around.
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No story, it was the ladies uncles bow, maybe I will call back and ask some questions. 22" fade out to fade out and tip to tip is 59 3/4"...Roy
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Roy - The measurements of your 64" Grizzly are close to the 62" 1959 Grizzly in this photograph taken with your LH 64" 1959 Kodiak.
If the profile of your 64" 1959 Grizzly is the same as the profile of this 62" 1959 Grizzly, your 64" Grizzly may really be a 62" Grizzly that was mis-marked... Does anyone close to you have a 62" 1959 Grizzly that you can put side by side to photograph?
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/GRIZ.jpg)
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Wade, I don't think I live very far from Roy.. I have that one that Bjorn sent me to shoot for this up coming fall....
Cody
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Roy, It's a 49 minutes to Fowler.. If you wanted to me me half way say the Lansing grander mountain I think I would be up for that... I just have to see what I have open.....
Let me know,
Cody
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Qoite a find, and a beauty too. The riser length seems pretty normal eyeballing the pic against my '59 Grizzlies. The spec writing is the same handwriting as mine are. And Roy is using the string from a '64" Kodiak, it is a 64" bow.
Maybe a 'lunch box' special built on a 64" Kodiak frame??
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Bjorn - I just put the string from Roy's LH 64" 1959 Kodiak in the photograph, on the 1959 Grizzly in the photograph, the brace height is a bit low at 6-1/4".
Roy - If you can post a photograph of the profile of your Grizzly when unstrung, it will clearly show if your Grizzly was built on a Grizzly form.
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Good points Wade. The Grizzly form is not the same.
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Is there a post in the tradgang forem that will help identify Grizzlys.I've got one I'm going to sell.Thought it was a 1960 but now Im confused.It looks alot like the grizzly Wade posted under the 59 lefty Kodiak.Mine has the light green glass on the back & carmel brown on the belly.silver coin.
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Trap - Your post August 30, 2009 12:14 AM about bows showing up that were previously unheard by collectors is a very valid point.
I've come to expect variations of Bear bows we have never heard of before, to just keep showing up every year. Just like the unadvertised 68" Kodiak Special Bjorn first discovered a few years ago.
I'm sure you remember earlier this month when Bill Krenz posted photographs of a Kodiak Special built on a straight limb form of 60", which was very different than any 60" Kodiak Special previously known by collectors.
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Rick - Bjorn is the resident Grizzly expert. He and I worked on an Identification Guide for some years but never got around to getting all the years posted.
The 1959 has two chevrons below the leather grip and the 1960 has one chevron below the leather grip.
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Fascinating thread. Great info from everyone. Thanks to all for sharing.
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OK Thanks Wade.I have a "59"---
Bjorn Are the limb colors the same on the 59-60
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Well it is 6 1/2" brace with the 64" string
8 1/2" with a 62" string...when unstrung measured from tip to tip on the back side it is 64"..I'll get some pictures tonight...not sure what I have here...Roy my 64" Kodiak is 65" when measured this way
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Rick - I just started a thread about Grizzly Identification from a list that Bjorn and I worked on a few months ago. This should help everyone figure out what year Grizzly they have. Let me know if we need to make corrections to the list. Will add photographs as they become available...
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=003114
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Bjorn says his 62" is 60" tip to tip unstrung,,that is what mine is,,may just be a miss-marked Grizzly...Roy
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It is every bit as handsome and as good a shooter just the same............plus it may be the only mis-marked '59 Griz around!
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Fantastic...Thanks again Wade.
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You have a point there Bjorn,,,sure was fun while all the hype lasted,,it really is pretty neat when we discover new things from 50-75 years ago that no one has seen before...Roy
Someone out there will be looking for a clean miss-marked Grizzly..
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Some pictures compared to a 64" Kodiak, the Griz tips are a 1" longer..
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/0710point/1251667494.jpg)
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Sure glad the mystery is solved, now we can all get a good nights sleep! LOL
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Heres another one.
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We compared bows today, Cody has a 59' Griz 62" 48#from Bjorn..they are pretty close, the 64" 49# one seems to have a little longer tips and the 62" string brings the brace height to 8.5", it should run 6.5-7.5"..factory miss print or correct?
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Roy, I still don't think the darn brace height should be 8.5" I realy think after looking at it. That your bow is longer then 62".. I realy do but like you say what would make that brace height that high when you are using a string for a 62" bow ??...
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Roy,
If the bows have the same riser shape and riser length, and the limbs match up like they were made on the same form... and the only difference is the string groove location on a slightly longer limb tip... well...
Guess all Bear bows of different lengths listed in catalogs that I can think of actaully have either different shape risers or different limb shape, rather then just length of the tips.
Sort of a gray area as far as classifying what is really what...
I have several 60" 1959 Kodiaks that are all marked 60" but have slightly different length limb tips with string grooves in slightly different locations, and require slightly different length strings. Kind of a nightmare sometimes when reusing strings.
With the slightly longer limb tips, it is understandable why a 62" string seemed too short to someone at Bear and why they wrote 64" on you Grizzly.
The fact that someone at Bear wrote 64" on your 1959 Grizzly makes it a unique bow.
It is great that you and Cody took the time to figure out what the bow was.
Thanks so much for sharing the Grizzly, it is certainly educational to see these unusual bows.
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Well said Wade, we will never know some things and early production always varies ..Roy
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I have had several guys that would like to own this bow and have decided to list it on the bay with a fair starting price, it needs to be on a RH collectors bow rack to be truly enjoyed and shot like it was meant to be used...Roy
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I have been waiting for this day for a long time. :bigsmyl: