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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: CrookedStick on July 21, 2009, 10:11:00 PM
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List Updated: 1/9/2011
OK guys, let 'er rip. Here is your B riser thread. By setting a new topic, it's better for the search engines.
I'll start another for the C Risers and maybe one for the limbs, just have patience with me to get the numbers all tallied from your posts.
This is going to be fun!
Bernie
Known B-Riser configurations:
B-Riser - Original Finish, LH, Early model, thick grip B-riser - no factory serial number - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-01630 - LH, no other details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1075 - Original Finish, RH, no stab ins, Both Brown Bears
B-1101 - no stab ins, copper coin installed by Bowdoc, early thin sockets-had to seat sockets with hammer and block of wood - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1154 - Restored, lower brown bear missing at time of restore, via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1160 - RH, some repairs, some sight holes, latch bears, listed on online auction as early 1969 Type 1. Original case
B-1244 - RH Jim G from Michigan added it for a friend
B-1279 - RH, no stab ins, small 'B' stamped next to s.n. - Johnnyrazorhead
B-1291 - Bowdoc purchased 2011
B-1336 - Original Finish, LH, Early thick-grip model, no stab ins, Ser#(in gold), both bears - Cacciatore is new owner Dec. 2011
B-1390 - Original Finish, RH, stab ins, “Fred Bear” sig – Wade Phillips sold
B-1425 - Getting Restored, purchased in 1969 - Bill Kissner
B-1443 - RH, Original Finish, listed on auction site from Saginaw, MI, Type 1, no holes, no stab. bushing, brown bears
B-1471 - no details - Alaskabowhunter
B-1489 - LH - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1494 - NancyVTAS, no other info
B-1499 - Restored, LH?, no more details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1513 - Original Finish, RH, inlaid sight, two sets of limbs - noted by Steven Russell, seen on vacation
B-1568 - no details, Bowdoc thinks it's a total restoration - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1572 - New in box purchased May 2011 - Mooseran,
B-1600 - RH, stab ins., "Fred Bear 1982" sig - Johnnyrazorhead
B-1630 - RH, no details - Grant Young
B-1634 - stab ins - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1641 - Original Finish, RH, brown bears, Riser cut for sight, stab ins and quiver insert - Wasapt
B-1723 - RH, Original Finish, mint condition, original calf hair strike plate and rug rest - Vintage-Bears
B-1745 - Original Finish, RH, brown bears, signed by Fred Bear - Lamont Granger
B-1750 - LH, stab ins, adjustable arrow plate - Moooseran
B-1831 - now owned by Shick, no other info
B-1861 - Original Finish, RH, stab ins, “Glenn St. Charles” sig, note: BD ledger says this bow had two holes on coin side in 2002 – Wade’s friend and Bowdoc's ledger
B-1878 - no details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1958 - RH, this is cool my note to myself reads many holes - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-1970 - RH, centershot cut by Bear in the 70s - Bowdoc
B-2022 - RH, Original Finish?, Limb serial #s match riser, 2022 - Sam E. Stephens
B-2034 - no details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2072 - Fred Bear sig, formerly owned by Johnnyrazorhead (he thinks) - also via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2075 - RH, Original Finish, Type II with Fred's grip, from auction listing
B-2098 - Restored, LH?, no details, via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2115 - Type 2, RH, stab ins, factory sight window - Moooseran
B-2131 - Last serial number for 1970 according to Frank Scott's s.n. ledger
B-2161 - From online auction listing, adjustable plate filled in with bondo?, Original box, no other info
B-2198 - Original Finish, RH, stab. bushing, quiver inserts, adj. side plate, w/2 sets of white tip limbs and original case - Red Dwarf
B-2200 - no details - Al Reader via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2226 - no details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2242 - Restored, LH?, '59 Kodiak copper coin - Al Reader via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2275 - no details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2281 - Type 2, RH, no details - Grant Young
B-2285 – Type 2, Original Finish, RH, spr side plt – Wade’s friend
B-2344 – Type 2, Original Finish, RH, stab ins, inlayed Bear sight – Wade’s friend
B-2348 - Last serial number for 1971 according to Frank Scott's s.n. ledger
B-2404 - odd duck, original white lettering for serial number, no other details - via Bowdoc's ledger
B-2489 - flush-mounted brass coin, black and tan - via Bowdoc's ledger 1972
1970(fat grip) B around 2002-2003 with no serial number. Half the original finish removed along with the serial number - via Bowdoc's ledger
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I've never posted any pics so I won't try now.
B-1075, Original Finish, Both Brown Bears, No Stabilizer bushing. I'm hoping that it's a 1970 but any input on the date of manufacture would be appreciated.
Dave R.
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FBB - Your B-1075 is an early one and made well before the end of 1970.
Frank Scott's ledger of Bear Serial Numbers shows the ending serial numbers for these two years...
1970
A-2141
B-2131
C-1860
1971
A-2277
B-2348
C-2262
1972 & 1973 Frank did not record serial numbers for any bows in this ledger
Bernie - These will help get you off to a start. Thanks again for all of your work on this project.
B-1390 - Original Finish, RH, stab ins, “Fred Bear” sig – Wade Phillips sold
B-1861 - Original Finish, RH, stab ins, “Glenn St. Charles” sig – Wade’s friend
B-2285 – Type 2, Original Finish, RH, spr side plt – Wade’s friend
B-2344 – Type 2, Original Finish, RH, stab ins, inlayed Bear sight – Wade’s friend
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Hey FBB,
Wow, great number! Let's see if our research eventually shows if yours was possibly the 75th handle made. We'll see.
By the way, is it right hand or left hand?
Bernie
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dang this is gonna be fun for sure.I better dig out my other ledgers for this one yahoo.bd
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Bernie -
I believe my name should be removed and Frank Scott's should replace mine for the serial number ledger. Frank was the one who gave me a copy of the information that he compiled from the Bear records.
B-2131- Last serial number for 1970 according to Frank Scott's s.n. ledger
I sure don't want anyone to get the impression that I ever put together a serial number ledger for Bear Bows.
Doc - Yes, I'm sure this one will be lots of fun.
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Wade, Not sure which thread to post this but as a relative newcomer I just had some general questions about the Bear TD. Which is the most collectible? A/B/C? What are the differences between them? I am LH and was wondering if there was some sense to the distribution between LH and RH? If I am going to dream about one of these I want to be sure I am dreaming the right dream! Thanks and would welcome any input. don't mean to hijack the thread here but was curious. John
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John - It is a toss up which is most collectible the A or B. The correct answer is probably "both". Some guys like the A because of its lighter weight and because it makes a shorter bow 56", 58" or 60" depending on the limbs used. Some guys like the B which makes a 60", 62" or "64" bow. Fred used a B which helps its popularity. The C is a target bow 66", 68", 70" and is generally considered the least collectible. For first year bows, the C frequently sells for 1/4 to 1/2 of what the A or B generally sell for. Prices can go off the chart for the truly exceptional examples.
On tape, Fred referred to the system as the "Ultimate Takedown", which it would be hard for anyone to argue against because of its ease of use and flexibility.
To my limited knowledge, exact distribution of RH to LH was never published by Bear. This thread will probably give us the best insight into a realistic percentage of that distribution. My prediction is LH will prove to be roughly some where in the 5-20 percent range of the total (give or take 100% of course). LOL.
Al Reader was the ultimate Bear Wood Riser collector. Al knew more about the wood risers than everybody put together that I ever met. He could have given you a realistic answer to your RH/LH question. Al had all the variations of the wood risers in RH and LH. Al's Bear Takedown collection was unparalleled.
If you want your dream about owning a LH to become reality, you probably have to be realistic about the prices that LH models have recently sold for.
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Bernie-Here's my contribution to the B-handle thread.I just have to include pictures though.I love to see 'em.I also once owned a type II B-riser signed by Fred but sold it.It was serial # B-2072 if I remember correctly.The two pictured are:
1)Type I,serial #B-1600,stab. bushing,signed by Fred 1982
2)Type I,serial #B-1279 no stab.bushing.Small "B" stamped next to serial #
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e24/detroitdeerslyer/BearB-handlesI.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e24/detroitdeerslyer/BearB-handlesII.jpg)
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e24/detroitdeerslyer/BearB-handlessigIII.jpg)
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Thanks for the pics Johnny.I know that they all look alike but it nice to have pics of everyone,you see the pride of the owner in the presentation,I think.Felix
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John - Great photographs. I love the colors of 1279, but Fred's signature really stands out on the light colored 1600.
But sure to also post of the photographs of these risers after you added the compasses.
You have added the compasses, right?
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Wade- I agree with the coloring.I really like the darker orange-ish color of alot of the take-downs but I remember when I bought the signed one that I really didn't expect it to be so light in color but it really makes the black signature stand out.I was pleasantly surprised to say the least when I pulled that one out of the box.
I'm thinking of putting the compass right next to Fred's signature on that one.LOL
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John - If you want to make it like Fred's you'll have to chop down that shelf and alter that riser quite a bit.
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If I got myself a T/D riser that would be the first thing I would down is chop it down and alter the riser.. I all ways like the arrow rest close to my hand.. Wade is that the reason Mr. Bear did that.. I have shot a few risers thats where not altered I do like them. Then I shot the same Riser size I am thinking it was a B riser.. That was alter and chop down the riser was Like Mr.Bear's I have to say I like it better and shot better for me anyways,
Cody
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Bernie,
B-1075 is a RH. Also this is a little off the subject but since we're all talking about Takedowns I need a set of #1 limbs in the 55lb range +/- a few lbs so that I can hunt with it this fall.I have been using a set from my green stripe but it just doesn't seem right. If anyone has a set or knows someone who does could you drop me a PM.
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Wade, Thanks so much for the info. I now have expanded my TD knowledge base by 100%! I am now going to keep my eyes open for a LH A or B riser. Not to be too dumb but are there "special" limbs that came only with the TD?Thank you so much for the education!
John, Two beautiful bows to say the least! The signed one really POPS!
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Wade- Yes,I do keep considering lowering the shelf like Fred's bow,I just can't bring myself to doing it on an all original,no holes riser.Maybe if I find one that is less than perfect I would have it done.Grant Young's riser is similar to Fred's and he says it shoots great.I imagine getting the arrow as close to the bow hand as possible can only help and Lord knows I need all the help I can get.
John(jcar)-Yes,that signed riser really does jump out at you.I like it alot.Really cool to be shooting it and looking down at that signature and just knowing Fred Bear had that riser in his hands.Very special.
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johnnyrazorhead, do you know what the "B" implies that is stamped after your s/n on the B riser? I have the same stamping on my LH A.
Lamont
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Lamont-I don't know for certain what that "B" implies.I got the bow from a former Bear employee in Grayling.If it's blemished I don't see where.I don't know if it was marked that way as a "discount" for Bear employees or if it was blemished in some way.It shoots,works,and looks perfect.I was hoping someone could enlighten me as well.
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Fred shot a lower cut shelf which resembles the older style bows he was accustom to shooting. Many "instinctive" shooters find it easier to get the arrow shaft lower, which is similar to pointing your index finger at an object. He shot my visualizing the flight of the arrow, with the bow canted, eye over the arrow. He shot with the arrow on his finger. This is based on article he wrote for the Bear Newsletter in response to questions about his shooting style.
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John just as you implied I'am pretty darn certin with the notes I've kept over the years on those stamped bows those were discounted price bows is all.That's all the stamp ment on 90% of them I've seen anyhow.
I personaly believe very few bows would have actually been sold stamped or not with damage and surely not with any visible damage.The B Y X 2 + two 2's were all indacaters of a discounted price bow.
I'am sure that Bear Archery nore any other company would want their product out in the market place to hurt someone and end up with a law suit over selling a $59.95 bow.That alone should eliminates the guess work about were the stamped bows damaged or not.Nope I don't think so.
I know some bows that were stamped were the last years stock and some that got stamped had been on consignment in sporting goods stores for a year and had handleing marks on them.
Some were returned to Bear Archery for credit.Some like last years stock at NWA the Bear Archery rep came to the dealer and rather then pay shipping back to Grayling on last years old stock bows they got stamped with b x y 2 2 2's whatever stamp that rep used and sold at a discount price.bd
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Doc-That would make sense.I couldn't imagine Bear selling a defective bow to save someone a couple of bucks either.I cannot find any flaws on the riser at all.
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Yes sir John you got it.I've made notes on dozens of if not more like 100's-ish of stamped bows I've worked on and I've never seen or noted anything wrong with any of the stamped bows what so ever.bd
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Doc -
I have probably told you this before but... When I went through hundreds of Bear invoices at Floyd Eccleston's shop, several of the 1950s invoices were for bows that were stated on the invoice as "SECOND". Not sure what Bear meant by the word "SECOND", but like you I have owned many stamped bows and never seen anything wrong with any of them. I'm certain Bear would never sell a bow that had a potential problem with its functionally, so my guess is that it was designated as a "SECOND" because of a cosmetic issue or it was last year's model or possibly both.
Anyone who had seen an invoice for a Bear "SECOND" bow, might have a different interpertation of the meaning of the word, if they had not had our similar experiences with stamped bows still being perfectly functional.
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Geez...I go to work and you guys post two pages worth of stuff!
Sweeeet!
Bernie
Note: B-riser list up to date as of July 22, 21:30.
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OK Bernie we posted two pages but few numbers.We got side tracked a little which is easy to do here on TG.
Anyhow here's one for the B list I found today while digging.This one was always kind of special to me.
I did the work in the ealy 1990's maybe 91-93.This is by no means the first B riser I'd worked on but was special none the less.The number is B-2242 and it has a 1959 Kodiak copper coin installed in it.The owner at the time I did the work was and I'am pretty certin he won't mind me using his name fact is I bet he's laughing his ass off at us right now.Yes our good friend and one of the best Al Reader.Al owned the B handle around 90-93 not sure if he still had it or not and I did not make note but I believe its a lefty which would make sence.
At any rate it was special to me because I felt I'd made the grade as a bow refinisher when big Al called looking for the bowdoc I just went hell yeah the king of collecters called me.Double hell yeah.sorry guy's I got carried away when I rememberd working on Al's bow bd PS whoops I forgot restored.
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OK here's another one for the B list and its another one sent to me from Al Reader.B-2200 and again I did not keep notes as to right or lefthanded and or complete restoration or just a repair.bd
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Hey Bernie here's something that could or would really help me out down the road.I know its a pain in the butt already because Wade said these lists involed work and that sucks.
I will be more then happy to help continue our quest of Bear T/D's all I can time aloted.I had to check out a few things first.I'd just hate to get in any trouble with anyone or any of my long time customer or even worse yet ? get the snot beat out of me for posting someone's name on the internet.
As far as if I post the serial numbers and names together.Those names are OK to use because I was once owner of said riser myself or the owner has given me his or her OK.
I actually do own the legal rights to the pics and photo copies of any pics I've taken of bows I've worked on or restored that someone else might use in an add anywhere anytime for anything.I own the pics I've taken(I could beat snot out of that guy and get away with it)However if it were posted something like Joe Smith's riser with pic's and name I may have problemo's when Joe's wife finds out he's holden a B riser she did not know about.
Anywho is there some way you could just make a small mark for the one's I do not list their names with like just a bd or something ? That way when I'am reading the list and see bd or whatever.I will not have to go through these ledgers again.One of my oldest ledgers is just hammerd on and falling apart.
You could provide a great service to me as well as if someone was wondering if the riser had been restored or worked on at anytime they would see the bd or whatever and could contact me anytime for info about the riser ? I know its a pian but it could work out good for everyone ? bd
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whoops I almost forgot B-1154 lower brown bear was missing at the time of restoration.bd
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OK for today we can start with B-2098 it may be lefthanded as I recall and was total restoration.bd
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I got time to give up a few more this morning.So next will be B-1499 it may be LH total restoration as I recall.bd
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OK I knew this was going to happen at some point.I was kind of thinking if I kept digging I'd find it and booyaa found it this morning.This is a great one and I will add a little info on this one at some point but anywho it's B-2489 so that would had to have been built in 1972 according to Frank's notes.Well that one according to bowdoc's notes was 72.The riser is your normal looking black and tan and very well may have been one of the last flush mounted brass coin black and tan risers built.Or will 2499 surface in our quest ? stay tuned.bd
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and then B-2226.......bd
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RH, B-1745, original finish, brown bears, signed by Fred Bear
Lamont
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and I'll give up one more.Gee's we should be near to cracking the case ahh ? this one would be B-2072....bd
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Bowdoc- That last one you just gave B-2072 I already put on the list.It's one I used to own and sold it to a fellow.Shortly after he sold it on e-***.I wondered what ever happened to it.Funny how some of hese make the rounds.Maybe i'll get it back one day.
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Guys, I have B-1630 and a style II that I'll dig up the number on. You probably have the numbe BD. Grant
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I think mine is B-1225 I bought it sometime in 1969. I killed a muley buck with it the fall of that year. The Bowdoc has it for refinishing at this time.
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Thanks guys...list should be up to date as of 7/24, 22:00, but if I ever say that and you don't see your bow there, give me a poke.
Grant, can you give me a few details on 1630? RH or LH, etc...
Bill, same with 1225, any more info for posterity? You should go to Owosso, Michigan with that bow. There is a steam engine there with the same number--was used in Polar Express movie.
Bowdoc, anybody ever call you a pain in the butt? Next thing you'll want me to pick up your laundry.
I'll only add a bowdoc note if you show me how to restore a '59 Kodiak...oh, you already did that...well, I'll only add a bowdoc note if you show me how to fix the sight holes in a Bear Takedown...oh, you already did that too...well, I'll only add a bowdoc note if you share your massive list of Bear risers in your ledger notes...oh, you are already doing that.
Ok, you win, I guess I'll add a Bowdoc note to your ledger bows. :notworthy:
Thanks again guys,
Bernie
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you rock Bernie your the best book keeper I know.I think were fairly near to cracking this case.Soon as I get the fan running in my paint booth I'll look up a few more riser numbers....bd
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hey Johnyboy next time were on the phone I will tell you about B-2072 and what I'd like to do with that riser and a one time owner of it.The sun would never shine on it again you might say.bd
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Hey Bill your serial number is B-1425 ... bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/b2001.jpg)
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big Bill's riser is the one between the A and B..check out the color of the wood.Now thats about one of the best looking B's I've seen.bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/brisers001.jpg)
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.bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/brisers007.jpg)
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Looks like I'm going to have to get me a B Riser....looking good....Hink.. :archer:
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Doc- I can't waot to hear the story behind my old riser B-2072.It brought me nothing but joy.
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I have RH, B riser # 1641 with riser cut out for sight, stab. insert and quiver insert, orig finish
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oh yea, brown bears.
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here is mine B-1471
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Chuck good to hear from you.Bryce you got yourself a B wood ahh ? cool deal.I do not have an early model B wood right now myself.Only a green striper.However after a little custom work on it like making it a bit more center shot and lowing the shelf a little too.That is about one of the best shooting risers I've owned.
OK Bernie back to work bro.today we will start with B-1634 note reads factory stabilizer bushing installed.
Now here's the wisser for today.I ran across a note last night about plugging several stabilizer bushing holes in Bear t/d's.The problem with said note is it does not note the serial numbers of those bows.dang dang dang I wish I would have listed those as such.bd
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and then and then....remember Bernie I said you gotta put up with a little screwing around.OK next one will be B-1101 no notes and I'am pretty certin on an early serial number like that if it had bushing I would have noted it on that one.So I'll say no bushing.bd
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OK found the note on B-1101 note reads no bushing and a copper coin installed by bowdoc.bd
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here's one that never made much sence or is it since ? to me.Its was an early model meaning way before the 2000#'s because the riser was real thick in the grip.It never had any factory serial number on it.It was all original when I recieved it but had no markings.ealry model B riser lefthand no number..bd
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whoops one more note on B-1101 it has early type sockets in it as well.Meaning the sockets were the thin fabed one's reather then the second thicker type sockets.Note reads I had to tap the sockets down with a block of wood and a hammer.That note means early socket heavy limbs = bent sockets in the pocket where the limb heels are held.Yeah I know it ai'nt even got confusing yet guy's.bd
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and the next item up for bid is a very beautiful 1970 whoooops I thought I was on another sight sorry.
OK the next item for the Bernie B list is a Bear Archery B riser serial number B-1878.bd
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OK here's another odd duck for the B list.This is a B riser factory serial number is B-01630 yes B-01630 have no idea on that one.It's a normal B riser but had that serial number.weird huh ? bd
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whoops B-01630 is lefthanded.bd
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crap here's another wisser for today Bear Archery riser B-1861 is already listed right ? says original finish Wade's friend or something to that affect correct ? I have it listed in around 2002 with a note that reads 2 holes coin side ???? bd
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Thanks for keepin' 'em coming everyone.
Bowdoc, I love listening to your ramblings, er notes, about the bows!
I'll try to weed through them all and get the lists updated tonight.
Bernie
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yeah I know this is out of control already....next on the list will be B-1568 no notes but I'am pretty certin this was a total restoration job.bd
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A lot going on while i was gone..I have one word
RARE
I picked up a handle at denton ONE word.....SUPER SUPER RARE HANDLE
four words ,,hmmmm anyway wait till you see this bow .UNbelivable,
I was walking around the campground for an hour after I got her,,I couldnt calm down anyway ,I WILL post picks tommorow
one clue . I have seen only One other and Al Reader had it.
never been this excited about a bow ,Hope you like it as much as I do
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Now how am I supposed to get any sleep after all that.Not fair!!Pics tonight.PLEASE!!!
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C'mon Abear- this ain't right. Bernie, all my bows are right handed. Bowdaddy, whats the serial No. on my style II? I'm not at home right now. I can't wait to see this thing, Abear...GY
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Okay- Bowdoc is probably asleep by now. My style II riser is B-2281. There, that's out of the way. Now Abear- give it up...Grant
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Well that was a Bowdoc trip...B-Riser list is once again up to date as of July 26, 22:40.
C'mon Abear give it up...I couldn't even get it out of Raineman on the phone!
Bernie
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hummmmmmmmmmmmm.bd
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Bernie I just went over the list and she's looken good brother.Nice work and thank you for all your time and trouble great job.bd
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Im at work right now and will get pics on as soon as I get home. It was real caotic when i got home , we were at denton for 7 days and it rained evey day, but it was the best year I ever had there I had the most fun in years ,just plain good company
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No prob Doc, thanks for sharing your ledgers with us. This is shaping up to be quite a list.
Bernie
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hope you like the pics
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/adirondackbear/100_0406.jpg)
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Simply beautiful Chris. Thanks for sharing.
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Here are my two "B" Risers
Type 1 LH Ser# B-1750
Has bushing and adjustable arrow plate.
Type 2 RH ser# B-2115
Has bushing and factory sight window
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Chris,oh Chris,here where they are.
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I let you off the hook yesterday Bernie but back at it today.We can start this AM with Bear Archery B riser serial number B-2275.bd
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and then would be Bear Archery take down riser B-2034 and then and then and then..bd
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and again Bear Archery B-2404 odd duck that had original white lettering used on the serial number.bd
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Abear,
Thanks for bringing them out. That's what I call art!
Bernie
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B-list up to date once again, 7/28, 22:29
Ha, bring 'em on....
B
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sweet deal thanks again Bernie but now I gotta walk bare foot out to my shop and get you more numbers.couple days off is too many.bd
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OK we're back at it the next one will be B-1489 lefthanded...bd
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and then it would be Bear Archery riser B-1958 righthand this is cool my note to myself reads many holes....bd
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I just found another 1970(fat grip) B listed someone sent me in around 2002-2003 with no serial number.They did'nt have a clue as to what it was or when their father had removed it or why.About half the original finish had also been removed along with the serial number.Other then that the riser was in fine condition.Anywho however or even if you want to list that one no number.bd
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Bowdoc,
Up to date once again. For the earlier A-risers you were giving me years from your ledger, suppose you can do that here too?
Just a thought.
Thanks again,
Bernie
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Bernie I still have some more risers to list but been a little busy the last few days.I will try and find the dates the risers were here.Those were on file cards somewhere.bd
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Here's a B with integrated sight plate I recently moved to johnnyrazorhead.
Serial number is B-1641. It's already on the list, but I though some would enjoy seeing exactly how Bear cut the sight into the sight window.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/BearBWoodTD2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v628/TimberlineX/ForSaleJune09014.jpg)
Bill Krenz
Colorado
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Thanks for the pics Bill,
Unfortunately I had to turn down that fine specimen myself...
Bernie
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Here's another one to add to the list. While on vacation, I ran into a longtime bowhunter with a number of old bear bows. His B-handle takedown is right handed with the inlaid site. Serial # B-1513. Original finish and two sets of limbs.
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Crockedstick, I have Ser#B-1336 Original Finish
LH, Earley model, No Stab, Ser#(in gold), both bears.
Jim Stutesman
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Sorry guys, been too busy at work to properly keep track of these.
But now we are up-to-date with the B-Risers and sending it back to top. A & C to follow.
What really jarred me back to reality is Bowdoc seems to be getting out of hand what with Corvettes, Bowhunter's Kits and selling takedowns, so I figured I should do you all a favor and get his mind back into his ledgers to get more riser numbers!
Bernie
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Here I have RH 1211 restored by Bowdoc,very impressive work it looks brand new.I would like to trade it for a similar LHalso in no so perfect conditions
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Filex I keep both eyes open for a left hand B to trade for the right hand one you have.The one you have is a very good bow.
I actually have several more pages of serial numbers for this thread also I kind of forgot about.bd
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Bring 'em on Doc, bring 'em on.
I was getting ready to nudge you about that anyway.
Bernie
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yap Bernie I been running well behind schedule for several reason.But its looking like I'll have some free time from bow restoration work as soon as the weather cools down and I'll get back on track.
I got busted a couple weeks ago(no not for that).For installing a wood burning stove that is not up to code.I did not even know there was a code for a wood burning stove.But trust me on this one there is here.This will cause undo stress on me this winter freezing my butt off so I been busten my humb trying to get everything finished up now while its still somewhat warm.I should have just about everything finished up in two weeks or so and will get back to our guest on the A-B risers.
Once again thank you for all your had work.bd
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hey dudes did I tell you guy's you all rock lately ? no well here you are you guy's rock lately.
Bernie I am still right on the edge of being caught up or swamped not sure this morning..or about to take the winter off and that would lead to takeing the spring off then summer.You can see where this ones headed.I'll get back at our quest asap.Thanks bro you da man bd
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Ya better bring that stove up to code Doc, 4 feet of snow in Denver today--it's starting!
I know you'll get to those B-riser notes sooner or later, make sure you get the important stuff squared away first.
Bernie
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Let me enter my riser. It is a type-ll #B-2160. It does have the stablizer bushing and brown bears on the take apart system. It is as it left the factory except for two holes in the front for a sight. L.
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I have a "green stripe " 1980,(i think )ser#B3995 also have a 02 riser ser#019
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B-1831 - Original Finish, RH, brown bears, Riser IS NOT cut for sight, has a stab ins and quiver insert - Wasapt
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List updated for the New Year.
Please keep an eye out for new serial numbers and let me know.
Bernie
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My B riser B1839
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My B riser was signed by fred for "Wade Poynter", anybody know of him?
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List updated again, thanks Jim.
Bernie
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I just posted a picture of "B" riser #1494, it came up as a seperate post, my bad, but i am done with picts today#$@%^& DICK
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hey Bernie I actually have more for this thread that I'll get added at some point thanks bro you da man this week bd
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1244 RH displaying for a friend
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I have B2198; purchased from the original owner.
It is RH with stabiliser bushing, quiver inserts and what looks to be a steel arrow plate (adjustable??). It also had a sprung elevated rest, which I have removed.
It came with 2 sets of white tipped limbs and what may be the original case: Black with zipper and 2 handles with a straight-backed bear emblem.
Red Dwarf
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Originally posted by Abear:
hope you like the pics
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn291/adirondackbear/100_0406.jpg)
Holy Moly!
You have been busy.
We gotta talk.........LOL
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For sure this is a mighty collection of TDs!
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Is there any record of B-1966 being produced?
If so, would it be known here who may own it?
I currently have A-1966 and I am fond of this #.
I have in the past encountered A,B and C risers having the same serial #
ie......... I onced owned A-1760 and sold it to a fellow collector who owned B-1760 who then knew the whereabouts of C-1760. Interesting.
Lot's of fun chasing them down, isn't it!
I would be very interested in finding her.
Thanks in advance.......Philip
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Bump
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One more bump
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I wish I had something to add to this thread!!!
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geez I got more to go if I can ever get caught up.I also purchased a B handle myself a couple weeks ago B-1291 bd
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I wanted to post a couple pics of my new B but still can not get photobucket working dang it.I got an early B riser I picked up that has already been cut to be center shot by Bear Archery.It was returned to them sometime in the 1970's.I'll work on getting those pics working asap bd
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Bowdoc
I had a B that was cut for center shot at Bear Archery that I bought from a guy back in the 70s, I gave $75 for bow and 60lb limbs, sold it for $350 a few months later, no idea on serial number that long ago wish i had, might might been the same bow.
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Just got this one in the mail. NIB unbelavable on Exxy. Great find for me after serching for 3 years for amint Type 1 "B"
Serial Number B-1572
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1971 ( B ) Serial #B-2022 and it is mine,,Sam,,
And the limb Serial #s match the riser 2022
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/B-2022Bear003.jpg)
(http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac45/samstephens71/B-2022Bear002.jpg)
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I like this!
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not kidding no no kidding I got the B a few weeks ago I've now shot the new well old new B 1970 plenty of times.If it rains I shot in the house down the hall or if the wife is gone I shot in the front room on my coffee break.I've used #1 limbs on it that are 46# and #1 53# plus a set of #2 48# and I'am gonna get me a set of 55# #1's white tippers somewhere somehow before hunting season for sure.This one is by far one of the if not the best shooting B handle I've ever shot I love it bd
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Pics to come..........Philip
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you know whats funny ? I still have at least another 20 or so handles to list on these threads.If I can get caught up soon I'll get back to posting some when ever I got a little spare time bd
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B-1336 has a new ownership! :jumper: :jumper:
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Now looking for any Fred's signed TD in lh!
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B-1831 is now back home in the 'Gap' where it belongs.
Shick
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Man oh man I can hardly wait to hear how 1831 ended up finding its way home.Denny I will be free real soon to talk bro bd
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Just picked up B-1723 in a trade.
One of the nicest, unmolested mint original risers I have seen in a long time.
She still sports her original calf hair strike plate and rug rest too.
:)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/dec182011006.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/dec182011005.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/dec182011008.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt247/87philip/dec182011007.jpg)
...........Philip
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Congrats,very nice color and conditions indeed.
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In vintage-bear's post of 30 March 2011, he writes
"I have in the past encountered A,B and C risers having the same serial # ie......... I onced owned A-1760 and sold it to a fellow collector who owned B-1760 who then knew the whereabouts of C-1760. Interesting."
I have noticed this too: A and B numbers 1831 and A and B numbers 2098 on the CrookedStick's compilation lists.
Is there any explanation for this?
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As promised, B-Riser list is updated. I was able to add quite a few risers tonight from my notes and yours as well as grabbing info from any auction notices I see and any risers I see in person.
Please go through the list and see if you can provide any more info as needed. Some of the listings only have serial numbers and no other info. I'll still list the numbers, just for recording purposes, but if you can add background info as well, original finish, rh/lh, etc, that would be great.
Thanks for your help with this. The list is growing nicely.
Bernie
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Hi Bernie.
I have a question regarding B riser
serial # B-1075 RH.
On one of my trips to the plant and museum while visiting Frank Scott,I had an opportunity of handling PapaBear's B riser with Frank.
The above serial # is ringing a bell. I may be wrong ofcoarse as I cannot locate the photos I have of it. Do you have record of his serial #?
Thanks in advance.........Philip
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Bernie,thanks for a great work! :clapper:
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Two of the B wood handles in our used and collectibles section on the Raptor Archery web page right now , LH 2B-5877 and RH B-3478 that are looking for a new home now.
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Ted the Lh Geen Stripe is ser# B-5216 I believe. Can't wait to see it.
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Picked up another B-riser in a trade this week-end and although it is already on the list I thought I would post some pics of it along with my other risers.I know we all like to see pictures.Can you tell I have a thing for the B-risers?This one is serial # B-1443.Bow is the third bow from the left in the first picture:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Take-downrisersallarrows001.jpg)
Bow is fourth from left in this picture:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Take-downrisersallarrows002.jpg)
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Nice line up there John :thumbsup: Hink
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WOW, Very Impressive lineup you have there John!
Very Nice Indeed........
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Great addition,John! :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys.They sure are purty!
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What a picture!
Beautiful specimens you have John.
I particularly love that very special early design B riser you have pictured with the production risers. So cool!
Bravo!.........Philip
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Philip- Ya you can really see how the take-down risers evolved from those early designs.Kinda like the production style better,not quite so large.
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Bill, 1159 was once my bow, i think i have the original box it came in, great bow. Ray
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B-1388, factory site window, brown bears, original finish.
B-1090,signed by Fred Bear,brown bears, four holes in front of riser.
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TTT
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Can anyone help me date this bow, its a Takedown B-3478.
Can anyone tell me if its late 70's or 80's?
i'd appreciate it.
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Originally posted by Ted Fry:
Two of the B wood handles in our used and collectibles section on the Raptor Archery web page right now , LH 2B-5877 and RH B-3478 that are looking for a new home now.
Haha it's your bow nice... what year is it?
I'm interested in getting my first bear takedown and this one seems suitable.
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B-3478 1982.
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TTT
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Soon to be passed on I believe. Wish I could keep, but have the Stickbowman A handle which was my dream.
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2550.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2550.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2559.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2559.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2549.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2549.jpg.html)
(http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/mrgq4126/101_2548.jpg) (http://s937.photobucket.com/user/mrgq4126/media/101_2548.jpg.html)
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Late to the party but here are three more LH woody Bear TD handles for the list...
B-1480 (Type I)
A-1407 (Type I, B stamp)
B-2218 (Type II, blonde)
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/jlcoppen/B-A%201970s%20take-down%20handles.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/jlcoppen/media/B-A%201970s%20take-down%20handles.jpg.html)
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/jlcoppen/B-2218.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/jlcoppen/media/B-2218.jpg.html)
(http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/ae260/jlcoppen/BearType2TD.jpg) (http://s977.photobucket.com/user/jlcoppen/media/BearType2TD.jpg.html)
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Beautiful risers.And lefties to boot.Nice!!
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Originally posted by johnnyrazorhead:
Beautiful risers.And lefties to boot.Nice!!
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Thank you...Like an idiot, I sold the A-handle.
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Originally posted by Ardent Archer:
Thank you...Like an idiot, I sold the A-handle.
:knothead:
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Hoping to revive this thread. Just picked up another one today. Serial number B-2249, RH, with a stabilizer bushing. Also has the plate in the site window and both bears. It also has the shelf ground low like Fred's bows and makes me wonder how many came out of the factory like that. Of course I'm assuming it was done then. There's also the letter B stamped into the wood at the end of the S/N. It's in a little rough shape but the back story is pretty cool.
I mentioned to a fellow coworker that I had an old Bear TD and he said he had one that he got when his grandpa passed some years ago. Turns out his fathers first job out of high school was at Bear Archery in 1972 or 73 and he helped build this bow and gave it to his Dad (coworkers grandpa).
Basically the latches have some rust on them but the overall finish isn't too bad. I would rather it not have the plate in the site window but it is factory original and the fact I know the story of the bow was just too much for me to pass it up.
Update on this bow. I’ve been working on getting the latches cleaned up and noticed that the shelf had been cut down and come to find out it was done at the factory when my coworkers Dad was making it for his father. Another part of the story for this bow.
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I bought a wood TD from a guy over 35 years ago,(don't remember if it was an A or a B) he took it over to the factory in graying and had the riser cut for center shot, anybody have that boww or one like it?
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TTT
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I have LH serial number 1346 B riser with sight window and sights and cover...
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B-2320 is RH Type 2, stab bushing, factory sight plate, one brown bear, and riser had a crack that was repaired professionally. Formally one of Norm's (Zepnut) bows.
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does anyone have an idea of where to get a replacment bear for the latch on a type1 I have b-1813 and its missing the upper bear, thank, Don.