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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: sticknstring+ on July 16, 2009, 11:50:00 PM
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All of the bows that I've added to my collection have been pretty much one at time. At a garage sale, estate sale, auction ... and like most of you guys,I have a couple of friends will pick a bow up for me when they come across one.
Well this time it was more than one... It was a pile of bows in boxes! (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8858.jpg) Thanks too my great friend who helped me keep as many of these bows together as possible.
As We took them out of the boxes I could not believe the condition they are in. Most had strings, so we started stringing them up and doing some shooting. Just like new K Mags, Kodiak Hunters,Kodiak Specials, Grizzlies, Tamerlanes,Red Wings, Slim Lines, White Wings, Swift Wings, Presentations ... It was an amazing day to say the Least! (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/iohone1992.jpg)
I could not decide which ones I wanted, there was too many, too nice, too cool! I bought them all.
I soon started realizing that this pile of beautiful old bows was even more special than I thought. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_7899-1.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/bows075.jpg)
These are the bows of Bill Stewart.
In case you haven't heard of him yet,
A quick search will tell you about his inventions, innovations and designs he created while working as head bowyer/designer for Bear Archery, Wing, Howatt and a few others before going into business for himself.
After looking into his work and history in archery it seems to me almost everyone who shoots a bow today, whether traditional or modern is holding some of Bill Stewarts ingenuity in their hands.
I'm going to post these in what I think is the right order. It seems that every year he designed a new bow or two. The details and woods that he chose for them are very unique and beautiful. After getting approval, showing them off to Fred... it seems that they were put away in these boxes. Probably almost zero handling or even light on them all these years!
I'll put down the specs. as I see them or have learned. Please fill in any blanks or correct any wrong info that you can. These pics are for personal uses only. Reprint only with written permission
1960 clear glass Kodiak Special EXP. 66" 42#
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Rosewood with Zebra laminations?
If this was his first project for Mr. Bear,Wow! There are some really nice ones in this collection, but this is one of my favorites for sure!
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What a remarkable find.How very cool!!That last one is gorgeous.
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WOW
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Greg -
I'm so glad to hear that you got the bows.
That Kodiak Special Exp is the sweetest looking Kodiak Special Riser I've ever seen. - All of those laminations are Stunning !!!
There were a couple of other bows from the era with similar laminations, but this Special is the coolest by far !!!
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NICE.............................
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Incredible!!!!!
Trap
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Thanks guys, I'm getting the pics of the 61's ready. If anyone has a rest that might fit on the laminated Special I would really like to put one on it. Greg
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Nice pile of wood there, that was a great find :thumbsup: Hink.. :archer:
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Congats
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:saywhat: GASP! and CONGRATULATINS!!!!! :clapper:
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Too bad you didn't get the ones that a guy from Denver (I think) was selling on "the site we dare not mention". I am so jealous of guys that can fall into the cesspool and come out carrying a rose. Congratualations on coming into such an important part of archery history. And thanks for helping to preserve it.
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Awesome, spectacular, gorgeous, incredible......choose your adjective(s). Can't wait to see more pictures....
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WOW!!! I am Speechless, WOW
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WOW
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Incredible!
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WOW,congrats
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Looks like we will be glued to this post waiting for more pictures...what a great buy in this day of archery collecting..AMAZING
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Got to add my WOW also.
This will be a great thread, congrats!
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What a time capsule you got.
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Wow!!! you are a lucky guy.
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Amazing find!
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Reddogge Just wait! The words time capsule have crossed my mind many times while researching these bows
Phil Thanks, Its was not real easy for a regular self employed welder/pressure washer/bowhunter to do (It's a lot of bows!) but when I realized how important they were it became a quest not to let them be dispersed into many different directions and uses after they had been so well cared for and kept together all these years by their creator.
The 1961 catalog says: Bear bowyers (ie Bill Stewart) have designed the fastest limb ever tested at Bear labaratories - or anywhere else!
1961 Kodiak Special 63" 42# Zebra wood lt. green glass front and back(almost yellow) missing coin, gold writing
1961 Kodiak Special 69" 42# Zebra wood white glass front,lt. green glass back, no coin, black writing (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8886.jpg)
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Greg - Cool 61 Specials...
60/40 and 40/60 Risers.
I have three 1961 Specials, all have I-Beam Risers...
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Sweet... :thumbsup: .......Hink... :archer:
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Grge,
Looks like the lamination on Xperimental on 1st page is LACEWOOD. Cool stuff you have.
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OUTSTANDING CONGRATS
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OOPS! I meant to post the box pic first if they came with one.
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Thanks for all the congrats!
Wade All the pics I've seen were I beam also. I love the slabs of Zebra wood Mr.Stewart chose for the EXP's. The grain almost runs together.
Tom Thanks for the Lacewood idea. I've been thinking Maple or Zebra. Here's a close up.
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This thing is so gorgeous this pic is going in my screen saver file!
OK guys, do you put the coin in(it's a brand new condition original coin,thnx Tom, but not the one that fell out or was removed) Or leave it the way I found it? So far I've done nothing but mild cleaning and a little Renaissance wax. Greg
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great pics keep em coming
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If there is trace of glue, we could deduce that the coin fell off so I would glue it back in. If there is no trace of glue, I would keep it coinless.
Just my humble opinion.
Simon
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WOW :bigsmyl:
I thought Michigan had all the gold :thumbsup:
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Outstanding!
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The history !!! The Bows !!! OUTSTANDING :clapper:
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Greg - The Riser on the Exp Special with Laminated Insets looks like it may be Buginga. The laminations look like maple to me too.
The 1.38" wide x .90" tall angled 3-line strike plate of the 1963 Kodiak might cover up the routed hole on this bow. Not original year, but might be the best looking option.
If I offered my 2004 Chevy Pickup for that Exp Special would you consider trading even up or would I have to throw in something else? LOL
Yes, those zebrawood risers are eye-catching pieces of wood.
I agree with Simon’s suggestion, if the coin hole looks like it never had a coin in it before, I wouldn’t put one in it now.
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Simon and Wade There is glue in the hole for sure. The coins fit VERY tight though.
Mike "The History!!!The Bows!!!" Thats exactly what I've been thinking since this started. It is so nice to finally show it to everyone.
Wade I think the strike plate idea is the way to go,at least for now. I don't know if that old chev could pull a big enough boat behind it for that swap!LOL
No box with this one.
1962 Kodiak Magnum EXP. 52" 61#
possibly the first Rosewood K Mag, it has very unusual laminations trimming it(Zebra?)
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Greg - Yes, unsual laminations under the glass. Are they strips of narrow laminations glued together edge to edge to form the width of the limb?
John has one Exp Bear that has glued up laminations under the glass, they may be placed diagonally, can't remember for sure.
I have one production Bear with 16 laminations (if I counted correctly) under the glass that are glued together edge to edge to form the width of the limb. I believe the narrow strips are all maple.
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That KMag is sweet!!
61# :scared:
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ttt....sweet...
Wade.how many miles on that truck, 4x4?
.. Hink.. :archer:
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this stuff is great :thumbsup:
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Greg, awesome post thanks for sharing with us... :cool:
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Hink -
Yes, 4x4, 65,000, extended cab, silverado, towing package
Probably have to trade it in for something else before Greg would consider a truck swap for the Exp Special...
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Wade- Here is that Kodiak special I believe you are referring to with the laminations glued up on an angle.I wonder if this bow was a Bill Stewart project.
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e24/detroitdeerslyer/EXPKODIAKSPECI.jpg)
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That is Awsome! :thumbsup: :clapper:
Scott
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Hey Guys, What does EXP mean?? Help a Newbie out.
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Mickey - Exp = Expermintal
John - On your 58 Special, because of the alternating colors of edge glued strips, it is easy to see the seams.
It is hard to see any seams on Greg's Exp Magnum. When I just now magnified the photographs, it looks like the alternating colors are very irregular and are mostly in the grain of the wood. There may be one seam visible nearly the center of the heel of the grip. Hard to tell for sure from the photographs.
Regardless of how they were made, it is another exceptional bow.
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This is bow-porn!
I am in awe, honestly. I officially hate you my friend!
GREAT find. Oh, and MORE PICTURES!!! (Please)
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John very cool EXP. those laminations on a diagonal give a very unique. I wouldn't doubt if it is a Bill Stewart, it seems he was a master at laminations. From what I can tell he started at Bear in 59/60. I once found a thread where, if I'm not mistaken, you mentioned having a friend who worked with Stewart at Bear archery. If so I wonder If we could figure out more accurately when Bill started there.
Wade There does not seem to be any seems in the "irregular colored wood". One of the next bows has 17 laminations wide and 7 in the accent stripe if I counted them right. AND, one thats coming up on the Wing thread later has 51 lams. wide! (If I counted right)
OK so in the 1963 catalog is a pic of a real pretty Grizzly marked EXP. This one never got back to Mr. Stewart or someone else got it or .... Damn! So for 63 there is no EXP.'s. He did keep one of each of the bows he worked on that year though. All beautiful, like new condition. A Grizzly, a Cub, a Tamerlane, and a Kodiak Special. I'll post these pics when we are done with the EXP's and prototypes.
1964 also nothing EXP. Well maybe, I think one of the mystery bows might fit here. There are a couple that I can't place in the line-up, I'll post them at the end of the Bear EXP's and hopefully with some help from all collective knowedge here we can decide what the heck they are.
1965 Tamerlane Wavy Limb EXP. 69" 37 1/2# 6E634
Rosewood/Black
1965 Tamerlane Wavy Limb EXP. 69" 38# 6A347 III
Browm Formica (box description)w/laminated accent stripe
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Please note the term "wavy Limb" used on the box. This was later refered too as the Multi-cam limb patented by Bill Stewart
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Greg - More cool bows!!!
It is great that the Wavy Limb is documented on the box, or we would all be guessing on those two for a long time.
A very appropriate name.
Great that both have serial numbers too.
I don't collect Tamerlanes, and have owned very few over the years, but don't remember ever seeing any that were marked at the 1/2#.
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Greg-If my bow is a 1958 model,and Bill started working at Bear in 1959,I wonder if he did work on my bow or if it was someone else.My friend didn't start working for Bear until the 1960's.I will see if I can find anything out as far as when Bill may have actually started working at Bear.This is some interesting stuff.Those bows are remarkable to say the least.Keep 'em coming.
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Yes,very interesting
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This is why I come here. Great stuff guys.A whole lotta learnin going on.
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WOW!!!!! awesome :clapper: :clapper: thank you for sharing
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id love to have that many bears. :pray:
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John That would be great if you could ask your friend about Bills time at Bear. From what I've read it was two different times of about seven years apiece. The first one was 59-60 to 67-68.
Brandon All the info I've seen said Bill Stewart invented the wavy (multi-cam) limb while working at Bear. Bowdoc posted that he heard from ? that Bill built these Tamerlanes and Fred blew a gasket and said he didnt want to see it on his bows again!(or something like that) Maybe Bowdoc will tell some more of his Bill Stewart knowledge... :pray:
1966 Kodiak Super Magnum 48" 37# #5N1
Mr Stewart must have put this unbelievable serial number 1 Super Magnum away as soon as it came off the line. The finish is nearly flawless.
This bow was a big deal in the 66 catalog. I'm going to post this ad (hope thats OK) because the hype of the shortest hunting bow was such a big deal and the description of the new materials is there. Also check out the serial number on the bow in the ad, 5N4. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/pg02.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8984.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8970.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8975.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8977.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8980.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8982.jpg)
The flash really washed out the real color of the silkscrean. It is kind of flourescent green.
After I had the Super Mag for awhile I saw the catalog ad and noticed the case that came with the bow. A couple of 48" cases were included with the collection and this one has a faint 37 written on the tag. I'm pretty sure it's the original case for 5N1! Inside of it I found Two brand new strings.
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Here's the pic with the bag. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8988.jpg)
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Greg-Chances are my friend worked with Bill Stewart on his second stint at Bear during the 1967-68 season.He wasn't there in 59-60.I hope to see him soon,I'll try to see if he can remember any dates.This is great stuff.
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That is one sweet Kodiak Super Magnum :thumbsup:
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This one should have come before the #1 Super Magnum.
After reading all the information about the 48" and how it was said that it couldn't be made, then how it was the shortest most spectacular bow ever made etc , It was very exciting to open this box and find this sweet little 46" Super Mag EXP./Proto?
Kodiak Super Magnum EXP./Prototype? 46" 50#
Unknown wood- 21 laminations of alternating light and dark wood.
brown glass front and back.
no white caps.
So is this the Super Magnums little-big brother?
I wonder if Bear ever built a shorter hunting weight bow than this one? This thing is tiny!
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Man-O-Man.....those are sweet...just love the black....but the green & brown is a looker also. Some nice bows you have for sure, thanks for the posting...nice to look at....Hink.. :archer:
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Thanks for sharing. That is an unbelievable find! What a piece of history!
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Un friggin believable. You my friend are a lucky man,and owner of quite a bit of history.
A 46" Super Mag, who would have thought. I've never heard of such a thing.
Thanks for sharing.
T.
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Hey guys,I would really appreciate some help with the description on this 46" from some of you that know about the different woods and bow construction. This bow has always been very striking to look at and was picked as the Best one of the bunch by one of the most respected authorities that has ever viewed this collection in it's entirety...(my son, 21 year old art student).
After lookig at these pics while doing the last post it finally struck me that besides the green color(has it been stained green or is it a natural color?)the growth rings were showing between the lamination lines. Did Mr. Stewart use end cuts from a very tight grained block of wood for the 21 laminations and if so, is that the center(heart) of the tree right in the grip?
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Do any of you guy's have any lams. like these on a bow? Thanks for any help on this getting this bows description more complete. Greg
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Looks like solid green phenolic riser to me buddy. That is a NICE find.
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Greg- great acquisition. Bill Stewart was the "MAN" who created most of the most collectible Bears. Owen Jeffery told me that Fred took a look at the "multi-cam" and said " what the hell is that?" Nonetheless, he was a powerhouse of bow building and you are a lucky and forward looking collector to pick these up. Congratulations, Grant
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Tim Thanks alot, it must be phenolic. I'll add it to the description, that sounds much better than "green stained mystery wood ". I would have swore that was wood grain.
Grant Thanks for the story straight from Owen Jeffery, great information!And your kind words. "Lucky" is so right. Lucky to have the best of friends to help feed my addiction.
Nothing from 1967... but 67 1/2 makes up for it
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1967 1/2 Kodiak Hunter EXP. 58" 58# Camo + Compass
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Keep those pics a comin' Bro!! :smileystooges:
LOL
Brad
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Ah yes,the compass in the riser.Be still my beating heart.I don't feel so crazy now that Mr. Stewart was willing to try it out.
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Greg - Yet another unusual Exp. Thanks so much for sharing these treasures.
John - Now that you have evidence that even Bear's R&D put a compass in the riser, we can probably look forward to seeing a photograph of all of your shooter bows with a compass in them.
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Wade-Yes I think a compass in my shooters is a possibility.All I need to do is find a few more compasses.No one said this would be easy.Been using 'em in gloves lately.
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The 67 1/2 catalog describes the Kodiak Hunter as a "broad limbed brute". I love the Shedua in this one.
1967 1/2 Kodiak Hunter EXP/proto 58" 64#
dark green glass
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The Dallas Morning news was used to wrap a few of the bows. All dating from 1967-69. Greg
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What a fantastic treasure trove of bows. Congrats many times over. As others have said keep the pics coming. All very interesting and learing every day as this thread grows. Had to reply to the 67 1/2 camo with the compass. WOW! I can't even imagine how a "regular" work day was at Bear. Are these bows something built during the work day or after hours / lunchtime? Did the bowyers there at Bear have a sense of what they were doing as it relates to the history of archery & bowhunting I wonder??? Just beautiful bows all around and please keep them coming!!!
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WOW you lucky dog... I am loveing this.. Keep them coming.. Whats next ????????...
Cody
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Originally posted by sticknstring+:
[QB] Tim Thanks alot, it must be phenolic. I'll add it to the description, that sounds much better than "green stained mystery wood ". I would have swore that was wood grain.
It appears to have grain because Phenolic is just layers of fabric impregnated with epoxy and cured under heat and pressure, thus it does have layers which will look like the grain of wood. I'm not 100% sure it is indeed Phenolic, but that would be my uneducated guess. :D
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hang on a sec, i gotta pick my jaw up off the floor.
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Greg, the wood in that Hunter is incredible-a fella could pass hours in a stand just gazing into the grain of that thing. I'm noy really a fan of the Kodiak Hunter (though my son loves it) but the wood Stewart used at Bear elevates any design to classic status,IMO. Just beautiful.
Grant
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jcar315 Thanks for the congrats. I would bet a regular work day with Bill Stewart in the R&D department was pretty interesting. Between Fred Bears ideas and Bills amazing skills in the shop and as a bowyer it must have been a great time. I have worked in an R&D type position and know how nice it is to get all the best tools and especially materials, its nothing like working in regular production. With the right boss (Fred Bear) it's probably kinda of like getting paid to be an artist. I hope that we get to hear some more real stories like the one Grant told about Owen Jeffrys being there when the Wavy limb(Multi-Cam) was shown to the boss.
Grant I couldn't agree more!
Cody The Unknowns are next
Tim Thanks for the knowledge! Phenolic seems to be like Mikarta?
Without any silkscreans or a box to go off I'm not positive but I think this one belongs here. What you guys think?
1967 1/2 Kodiak Hunter EXP./Proto? 58" 43#
Bubinga? with brown glass
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All three for a comparison
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What do you think? Is it Bubinga and does it belong here with the 67 1/2's? Greg
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Greg,
Without a doubt the bottom bow belongs in the photograph with the 67 1/2s.
Belly side of the sight window had a dogleg magnum look to it.
Looks like bubinga to me.
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Wow. I like all three but that last one.......oh my. FRED!!! Why didn't you build us some LIKE THAT????
Very neat. Any ONE of these bows would be a find of a lifetime.
Unbelievable.
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Beautiful pieces and what a pleasure to be able to look at them. Thank You.
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Look forward to this thread when I get home from work each evening... You have been blessed. Thanks again for sharing this history. :thumbsup:
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Wade I've been pretty sure that those three KH's belonged together, what a trifecta. Everytime I look at the Page in the 67 1/2 catalog that shows the Kodiak Hunter and the Grizzly side by side it makes me think the Bubinga KH looks like a really nice blend of them both.
Rich thanks, with all this new info, it's easier for me to see its a man made patternand heavier (denser) feeling than the wood bows.
Steve I agree with you.The Bubinga KH has the best feel and look to me also. The shelf is much more to my liking and the "Dogleg mag", look as Wade called it, looks sharp in the line-up. But, the camo with compass is sooooo nice too!
All the nice comments are appreciated you guys! My family and friends have been getting a ear full of this stuff for quite awile now, and even though they smile and nod real nice, I know they are thinking... nice old bows, yep,nice old bows, ya, old bows, hmmmm.. I wonder if we can medicate him for this problem?
I am so glad this forum is here, I've had a urgent feeling first to make sure this stuff stays together and then to make sure it gets seen, so it can be appreciated. Some of the pictures look nice but I sure wish everyone could see them in person.
While doing some of this research I found Bill Stewarts name listed in the Museum of Modern Art(Im not sure if thats the proper name, I'll find my note), and the 1961 Kodiak Special featured there. Note: It's a 1962 Special
Here's the link http://www.moma.org/collection/artist.php?artist_id=7152
Now for a few EXP's that I need some help placing in into the right year, model, materials etc. for an accurate description.
I've had few PM's from some Kodiak nuts who saw this box in the first few pics of this post.
19?? Kodiak EXP. 44" 37#
Maple ?
Glass ?
Is this the shortest Kodiak that Bear ever built?
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9105.jpg)
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9073.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9068.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9079.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9103.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9083.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9086.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9099.jpg)
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Now what kind of fiberglass is that? Amaising!
Simon
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That glass looks like the early woven glass that they used on the late 40's grizz and kodiaks. The profile of the Kodiak reminds me of a water buffalo looking at you head on, the way the bow deflexs and really curls on the end.
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the riser looks a lot like a Black Hawk Hornet.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/novaln1975/TradGang/Image002.jpg)
(Pic taken off the internet on that auction site)
Simon
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Greg -
The 44" with bi-directional glass is really unusual. Nice looking, sweeping limbs, small straight grip does not really fit in with the ever evolving pistol grips of the times on higher end bows.
At that length, and 37# and small riser, makes one wonder if they did not have an up-scale youth bow in mind.... The....
Little Kodiak... rather than or in addition to Little Bear
Hard to say what they were thinking. When everyone wants a short bow, you have to try to get to the shortest? Small riser would cut wood and labor finishing costs? Who knows.
Will be interesting to hear other ideas about this little bow...
Would be great to pinpoint the date that bow was made.
We have to keep in mind that some Exp bows are exactly that, truly experiments...
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Wade, what do you think about the absence of tip overlays on the short Kodiak? It kind of leads me to believe that this might be an idea for a youth/starter type bow myself but I find the "Kodiak" screen to be in disagreement with the "Flagship" status normally associated with the Kodiak label. It really is a very interesting piece especially with the woven glass back. SNS-what glass is on the belly? Grant
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In what year started the Kodiak logo with the «R». On this one there is no «R» after the word «Kodiak». My 1966 Kodiak has an «R», My 1967 Kodiak Hunter has the «R» but my now sold 1958 Kodiak did not, my 1956 Kodiak Special does not either nor does my KSD (1960).
This might help dating the bow?
Simon
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Grant Its the same glass on both sides. I'll post a pic of the other silkscreen when I get home tonight.
Simon Great eye! That might be a really good clue for narrowing down the year. Greg
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The R started in 1960 on the silk screens that I have on bows.
Grant. Yes, the Kodiak was the flagship, I don't believe this bow was intended to be a flagship.
The bow looks like a youth bow as both you and I mentioned.
The absence of tip overlays is a very good indicator.
The Little Bear started in 1965 (if my memory is correct). The Little Bear was 48". This bow is 44".
My guess is that the bow should say "Little Kodiak" but I don't believe a "Little" silk screen existed before the 1965 Little Bear. Thus the missing "Little" on this bow.
I'd speculate the bow was made in the 63-64 time frame.
Hope some Bear documentation turns up to date it...
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In addition to no tip overlay, the absence of riser overlays, is inconsistent with the Flagship Kodiak.
Has anyone ever seen a seam on a Kodiak where two pieces of glass were butted against each other and not covered with a leather grip?
The absence of a leather grip also would indicate a 1960s date.
The 44" length is also inconsistent with the whole concept of the Kodiak being the premier hunting bow.
A Trad Gang member from Wisconsin has an Expermintal Bear bow built on a Kodiak Special form, routed and finished like a Kodiak Special, but has a Kodiak Silk Screen...
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Good synopsis Wade. From the few conversations I've had or eavesdropped on with Bear employees I'm surprised even more of these "one offs" haven't surfaced. I've never heard if Bear had any such program but at least at one time the Martin Guitar Company had a program in which an employee could build him or herself a guitar for the cost of the material. Some of those thing are incredible and some are dogs but they never appeared in catalogues or on the open market. I would imagine that Bear employees did a certain amount of that themselves whether or not it was sanctioned. GY
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Wade - Grant you guys must be right with the youth or "Little Kodiak". I was thinking Mr. Stewart was working on a small or mini Kodiak sometime before the Super Mag got the OK. It would be great if some records or maybe an old employee could confirm the Little Kodiak theory.
Wade I hope your 63-64 year speculation turns out to be 63 to fill one of the years in the collection with no EXP.
I hope this next one fills in the 1964 spot...
196? ?????? EXP/Proto 60" 61# Bubinga
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9130.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9112.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9135.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9116.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9126.jpg)
The piece of wood he chose for this one flows so nice with this riser, I hope the pics can do it justice. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9114.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9136.jpg)
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:notworthy: That's remarkable.
Trap
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This is one of the best threads I have ever got to see. The history!!! Thanks for letting see this stuff.
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Unbelieveable stuff.Thanks for sharing!
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It's been a busy weekend here, I'll get the next one posted in the tomorrow. Until then, would you guys take a stab at the year and model the 60" Bubinga is the EXP/Prototype for?
My guess is that it is a 1964 Kodiak EXP/Proto
With no box for this bow and no other 64's or 65's around, I compared it with the catalog picks and any others I could find.
yes, no, other? Thanks, Greg
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Greg -
I'd say your guess of 1964 is right in the ball park on this one.
Sure looks like Bill was trying to take the radical 1963 dogleg design and get glass along the entire back.
The glass color, Bubinga Riser, and shape of the handle all indicate the 1963 design being transformed into the 1964.
The only real contradiction to 1964 is the 1962 Kodiak strike plate, but I personally place very little store in dating any bow by using any of the many easily replaced cosmetic features such as a strike plate or a coin.
From your photograph of the grip, that riser almost looks like it is close to 50/50 rather than the 60/40 of some 1964 Kodiaks. What is it, a true 50/50 or a 49/51...? :saywhat:
That riser is a monster. Physically that bow has to weigh a lot more than a production 1964 Kodiak.
Your bow is really cool to look at as an experimental, but design wise, Bear was very wise to settle on the plain Jane design of the production 1964 Kodiak.
With so much mass in the riser, you have to ask yourself if it is a hunting bow or target bow.
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Wade The seam on the grip looks like it's 50/50 to me. I'll post another pic this afternoon that may show it better.
I totally agree about the 64 production Kodiak. The way it was slimmed down and brought it too points instead of rounded is much more appealing, but WOW is it a smooth shooter! I only shot it the first day I got it, a few times(gulp!), but of the hunting bows it was by far my favorite.
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Okay- you got me. I've seen a bunch of stuff over the years but never anything like this one. How long is the riser section of this bow? It appears longer than the '64 production bow. I'll bet it's pretty dead in the hand also.Its hard to pick a favorite out of this bunch but this one is way up there for me because its so radically different than anything I ever associated with Bear bows. Very very nice. Thanks...GY
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Greg - I'm sure it would be a good shooter. Sure makes for an interesting bow to look at.
The wood below the grip almost looks like the lower riser was designed to follow the grain of the wood. I know it wasn't and perhaps my imagination is a little to active seeing so many self bow being built this weekend at at the NTA Bow Building Workshop.
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Grant It seems to be 27" from tip to tip of the "fadeouts", I think thats the term Wade used once, of the riser. Dead in the hand and quiet even with no silencers is a great description of how it shot. It's one of my favorites for sure! (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9169.jpg)
Wade I thought the same thing about the way the grain moves perfectely with the riser. What a amazing piece of wood for that particular bow. Mr. Stewart was truely a master woodworker/bowyer.
This next bow seems to be a Kodiak Special to me. The physical characteristics seem to fit in around 1963. Please add any thoughts you may have to help with it's description .
1963? Kodiak Special? 69" 41# NO. 8C Rosewood? (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9149.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9156.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9159.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9162.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9164.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9165.jpg)
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Truly awesome stuff. I haven't been on much lately, as I've started a new job and I'm working evenings. I've got to chime in on the 64 prototype. I'm dubbing it the "Coaster Kodiak" because of the roller coaster shape of the back of the bow. I agree fully with Wade that it attempts to maintain the dogleg setback with glass encompassing the back of the bow. Not very appealing to the eye in my estimation, but I bet it's a great shooting bow with "good manners". CKruse
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I think I understand why the production 64 was so Spartan in design. With all of the time spent experimenting with basic design that evolved from the dogleg, the guys at Bear had no time to fiddle with stripes in the riser. And then they went to work so the 64s limb angle was altered to the less "thunking" 65 and 66.
Back in the day, the designers were awesome - no computer design - all was pure human ingenuity and inspiration.
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Greg - Another super cool bow.
NO. 8C, 69", 41# is a Kodiak Special, no doubt in my mind. I'm calling that one "Old No. 8". Nice Brazilian rosewood. That reverse accent stripe really adds a lot to its character as an experimental bow. I'm glad the production 63 KS has the stripes where they are.
Below "Old No. 8" you have pictured a very handsome standard production model 1963 Kodiak Special with some exceptionally grained bubinga. I have a nice 1963 KS, but yours is stunning. Certainly the nicest bubinga in a 63 KS that I can remember seeing.
CKruse - "Coaster Kodiak" is a catchy name. Speaking of names..
"Hump Back" is the name I came up to describe the rounded horns on the back of a bow. In the case of the "Coaster Kodiak", it would be a "Double Hump Back". In the case of "Old No. 8" it would have a single "Hump Back".
If you put a 1961 Kodiak Special next to "Old No. 8", you might see some similarities, glass on back extends to shelf, grip is angled back, overlay configuration on the riser. Guess there are a couple of 62 KS features, the Brazilian rosewood riser and tips are more pointed.
I'd guess "Old No. 8" is one of the earliest designs to transform the basic 61 design into what became the 1963.
I have always thought that the 1962 Kodiak Special design was the odd duck in the Specials. When you look at the 1961 to 1967 Kodiak Specials, the 62 just doesn't fit in. The 62 riser is much smaller than either the 61 or the 63. When they started working on the 63 KS design they tossed the 62 KS aside went back to the 61 to improve it.
"Old No. 8" pretty much proves that I'm not just another one of those eccentric cranks with a crazy "Anti-1962 Kodiak Special Conspiracy Theory" :rolleyes:
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It's too bad you live so far away from us on the east coast as these would be wonderful to see in person at the big shoots like ETAR as a display.
TonyW, interesting theory on the '64,'65, '66 bows.
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What an Amazing find!!!!
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great thread.. and even GREATER find..OMG what a treasure trove of history you have..I am sure this thread makes most :p with envy..
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Greg- you're killin' me! Again, congratulations on acquiring this batch; I hope circumstances never cause it to be broken up- what a set! That oddball exp. '64 has been on my mind since you posted it. Gawd- I'd love to shoot it. Thanks again for sharing, Grant
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Sticknstring,
If you feel the need to ever give that little green Kodiak Magnum a good home, I guarantee it would not leave my house until I drew my last breath.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8997.jpg)
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Hey Guys, Family reunion weekend was real busy, haven't had any time too get back and finish posting the last ones.
KCruse "Coaster Kodiak" or Wades "Humpback Kodiak" both are very fitting. And "good manners" is a great description of how it does deliver an arrow.
Brandon There are a few more too come. I need to come up with a name for a EXP Wing thread.
Keeping the bows together has been my goal from the first and I also hope that the nickname "The Unknown Bowyer" will soon no longer fit Bill Stewart.
Wade The reverse accent stripe on "Old #8" is very unique and the Bubinga has almost a flourescent appearance. The 63 production Kodiak Special was one of Bills too. I wonder if he built it or just saw that piece of wood coming off the line and had to have it with that Bubinga on fire look.
Somewhere I have a picture of the 69" 1961 Special, Old #8 and the production 1963 all together. I think your right on, you can really see the transformation when they are side by side.
Reddogge I wish we weren't so spread out too. Before they were put away for safe keeping I invited a couple of the close guys to see them, but didn't get any takers. The first time that they might be displayed as whole collection would be at the 2010 TAO(Traditional Archers of Oregon) banquet. I really hope that everyone here and many others will get to see them in person some day. If they can look good in this set of shiny background pictures, just wait until you see them in person. It will be interesting to see what happens... a few different people have come up with some ideas on where the collection would best be presented or shown. It may be a tough decision.
Grant HaHa! I sure hope it doesn't kill anyone... but I am glad to pass along the pain involved in being haunted by one or all of them.
BTW - It was soooo smooth and quiet with a 550 grain arrow I couldn't believe it!
Chuck I hope the 46" EXP will stay side by side with it's 48" counterpart. I can really appreciate your passion for that unique little beauty. I wonder if a good nickname will come up for it too?
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Early 198? B Handle EXP?
No serial number, no bushings, gold button, no plastic clips on latches.
Does this one belong in the EXP line-up? (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9171.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9174.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9175.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9176.jpg)
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Is that green glass I am seeing on that "Greenie TD"? Or is it just this screen?
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Wade Here's a color check for that screen.
Forest green Bearglas on one side and black on the other side. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9180.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9181.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9182.jpg)
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This one is last because it didn't come with the others. I've been wondering who remembered the xbay listing for it last december. Ya Bill, I'm the "some guy with a feedback of 6." hehe
Sorry Jim, I know you said you wanted it, But I had to try for it for the EXP collection. I still can't believe I got it for that price!
Alot of things came up in Simons thread posted in early december..."hacked off tips, faked writing, lots of different great input like, "So I would rather see one of my TG buddys kick that SOB's ass and win the bow. Then we all get to look at the bow and talk about it on here. If John Doe keeps winning them all, we will never get those bows again in our lifetimes." Here's a link in case you want to check it out. http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=001614#000000
Sooooo Doc, how about that 67??? Did it have a serial number or what? Did it say EXP? Did you ever find more pics of it? How did you get it? What was his shop like?
And who's the Larry you mentioned owning this bow? All I could find out was the seller was a pawn shop in Oklahoma, he said he got it from a guy in Hawaii.
1967 or 68 EXP Grizzly 56" 40#
Bubinga with Tawny glass
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9185.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9193.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9204.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9197.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9205.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9209.jpg)
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I thought I'd better add the line-up picture here too. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9328.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_9326.jpg)
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To the top....just for the doc. I keep thinking about how ya said you wanted to see some Stewart/Bears and thought maybe you missed the thread...........?LOL
Also wanted too let you west coast guys know the collection will be on display at the TAO banquet being held in December in Silverton Oregon. Greg
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....and you bought my ticket to the banquet already I am presuming?
Brad :thumbsup:
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Hey guys... I thought I'd give heads up to anyone who might want to see this collection of "one of a kinds" in person. The first time it will ever be on display is going to be January 30 at the Traditional Archers of Oregon annual banquet in Silverton, Oregon. Most of the bows from this thread and the Stewarts Wings thread will be there. It should be a great time...
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Cool cause I am going to be there...
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Cool I have some of that collection also but nothing as cool as your bow pictured. I wish i knew the story how they got split up into 2 or 3 sections. Jim
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Did any of ya'll get to see the bows at the show?
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You never stop learning in this sport. Looks like some "almost" bows and a treasure for sure.
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I stopped breathing pages ago !! Awsome just awsome
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Finally! I've been after this beauty for quite awhile. It is a so nice to get it back together with the rest of the one of a kind EXPerimental and prototype bows that Bill Stewart created for Bear during the 60's. It has been quoted that this design was banned from his sight and use at Bear in quite a powerful way by Fred Bear as soon as he layed eyes on it. (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/1ee7cdbe.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/d2ce31ee.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/53fabe05.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/1dd6e420.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/08ce3a0d.jpg) (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/31ec1cb8.jpg) Special thanks to Ted at Raptor Archery for taking great care of this bow and agreeing on a nice trade
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pm sent about the other bows I have from this collection. Jim
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Incredible thread. Glad to see this collection in good hands!
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IMHO, this story / "history" should be either written up and put into a hardcover book, or into a multi-part series in TBM. This is very interesting and the facts and photos deserve to be in full color ink for future generations. Nothing against this site, but the virtual world is no place for the story and photos of this treasure trove of one of a kind bows!
None of us will be around in a 100 years, and this "online world", or at least this thread, may or may not exist either. Please consider documenting this story and pics for the bow collectors / shooters of the future!
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How have I missed this thread up until now???
Wonderful info and pics of some of the neatest and rarest Bear collectibles in my opinion. I've spent most of the morning with this interesting thread.
If not for Bill Stewart, Fred Bear may be occupying a lesser place in archery history.
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Those are amazing. I'd love to have a #45 Super Kodiak.
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Hit or Miss I could not agree more. The pictures are printed and preserved and all of the information I have is kind of organized. I have been in contact with a experienced writer and hope the story finds it's way to print of some kind soon.
Lon, let me know if you ever get down this way and have some extra time to see them in person.
The pics of another EXP Grizzly are done and I'll get it posted up here in the next day or so. I've been busy taking pics and getting descriptions of all of the rest of the bows Stewart decided to save and put away with this collection. There's a few Bears, a few Wings and a massive Martin longbow all like new. They are all regular production, serial numbered, stunning examples of his designs from over the same years as the EXP's. They will be listed for sale very soon along with a few other very unique collectables that came with the collection.I am going to concentrate on the EXP/Prototype collection and hope these other bows will be find their proper homes in other collectors hands.
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I received a PM from Greg (sticknstring+) about my '66 Kodiak with Brown Overlays. He told me to compare the serial number and writing style of the lettering to the serial numbering on his wavy limbed Tamerlanes. Sure enough I think he is on to something!!! Looks like it might be one of Stewarts experimental bows.
Wavy Tamerlanes:
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr72/gbsticknstring/IMG_8957.jpg)
'66 Kodiak w/ Brown Overlays:
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/COVEJEEPSXJ/64inKodiak005.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/COVEJEEPSXJ/64inKodiak003.jpg)
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FYI,
Some of these bows are now on ***bay.
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Just reading this thread. EXCELLENT COLLECTION! Why isn't this on display somewhere? Bear Factory? Cabelas? Pope and Young headquarters?
IS the huge collection for sale??? This is historical! One of a kind!!!!
Thanks ahead of time.
Brad
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Glad you brought it back up Brad. I just saw it for the first time as well.
What a neat look into the minds of the artists at Bear back in the day!
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TTT......where will this collection land?
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WOW. Looking at these pics got me lightheaded.
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Wonder how come I missed this thread? My bad for sure. One of the best threads of last year! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Bjorn please let me know if you ever make it this far north and would like to see them. Greg
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That would certainly be my pleasure! I have been to Hood River many times where are you located?
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I'm about 35 miles west of Portland. About an hours drive on a average day.
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Never saw this thread. To say it's impressive is a huge understatement ! Thanks for bringing it back.
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Thought I would add a couple more pics to this thread since the bows in them appear to be from the same era and possibly made under the direction of Mr. Bill Stewart.Notice the serial number of the '65 or '66 prototype Kodiak in my photo to the one with the two Tamerlanes on the previous page showing their serial numbers.Very close to the one on the left,only two numbers off.
And then I noticed on the 55# 1965 Kodiak shown with it also has the Roman numeral II after the serial number,very similar to the '66 Kodiak with the brown overlay on the riser.Wonder what the II means.I don't believe I have ever had this on any other bows in my collection.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Loomisbow65Kodiaks011.jpg)
Here are both bows together.Some very figured wood grain in the production '65 Kodiak on the bottom in this photo:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Loomisbow65Kodiaks012.jpg)
Here the production '65 Kodiak is on the top:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Loomisbow65Kodiaks010.jpg)
Here's one showing the glass color,same as a standard '65 Kodiak,Olive Gray which is really more of a green color:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/65Kodiakprototypeand63TypeIIIMagnum004-1.jpg)
Man those R & D gurus were hard at work during those glorious days in the 60's.
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Nice bow John. :)
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Thanks Norm.All it needs is some good company!
Wink,wink. :bigsmyl:
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John, what color glass does the '66 prototype have? I can't quite tell from the pictures.
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OldSkool(Nick)- The glass on the prototype is the same color as found on the '65 Kodiak,what Bear calls in their '65 catalog Olive Gray.Really more of a green color to me.
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Gotcha. I couldn't quite tell. Thanks.
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That is so cool John.
I thought the glass looked green. I was gonna ask the same question as Nick.
You have some dandy bows my friend!
...........Philip
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I added another picture with the others showing the glass color.As you can see it looks just like a '65 Kodiak in color.
Thanks Phil.I'm really loving seeing all these oddball,prototype,one-of-a-kind,etc... Bear bows popping up lately.It must have been a great time to be working in the R & D Dept. at Bear during those years.So many talented people.Bill Stewart,Owen Jeffrey.No wonder the Grayling bows are so sought after.
By the way,that all black phenolic bow you just got back from Bowdoc would fit right in with my oddball bows.You need my address?I'll pay shipping of course! :biglaugh:
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Back ttt had to get my bear bow love fix for the month! Got two kmags on my way for my first set of bears!
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Love this thread ever since it was first posted here back in 2009.Such a great collection of Bear Archery history while Bill Stewart was employed there.Ever since I first saw these one of a kind,EXP,proto-type,whatever you want to call them bows,I have been intrigued beyond imagination.Such a great time to be working at Bear.Since I first saw this thread that was so generously shared by Greg,I have come across several bows from this same period.One I recently acquired thanks to some help from some friends is this Kodiak Hunter from what I would guess is a 1966-67 era Bill Stewart design.If you look at page 6 of this thread you can see where this bow fits in perfectly.Even has the same serial number of .011 as one other in the series.58",no coin,brown glass and same contoured riser as two of the three Kodiak Hunter's shown..I have it pictured with a production made Kodiak Hunter from 1967 1/2 that Fred signed to his good friend Basil Hughes for comparison.Just thought this bow should be added to this thread as it fits so perfectly.Interestingly enough it came from a private owner from northern Michigan and didn't make it out west with the others.Thankful it survived either way.Added a period correct N.O.S. leather side plate and Bear-hair rug rest.
Will try to post some other photos of some other Bill Stewart era bows when possible.Enjoy!
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While I'm downloading pics to Photobucket I might as well add this bow to this thread too as I believe it belongs here.I may have posted pics of this bow here on Tradgang before and if so,sorry for the repeat.This is another 1966-67 era Bear bow that I believe Bill Stewart had something to do with.I also have a Tamerlane from this same time period with the same wood and brown fiberglass as this little gem.I have also pictured this bow with a production model 1966 Super 48 for comparison.Which do you like better?
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/Bill%20Stewart%20era%20Bear%20bows/1966%20Super%2048s%20004.jpg) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/johnnyrazorhead/media/Bill%20Stewart%20era%20Bear%20bows/1966%20Super%2048s%20004.jpg.html)
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Sweet bows John.
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Thanks Norm.They are different,that's for sure.
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Could always count on you John to find and share some great historical bows!
Very nice
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Nice John
Always appreciate your very positive and historical perspective on some cool Bear history! :)
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Thanks Phil and Larry.Can't take credit for finding either of these cool bows.A good friend spotted both of them and turned me on to them and for that I am thankful.Like that all black beauty I got from you Phil with the brown glass,so much was going on at Bear during that time.
Was just told from a former Bear employee,they would experiment with different glass colors to see what worked.If someone working there liked a particular bow then it would go home with them.Common to not put a serial number on a bow if they were experimenting on it.Must be how these two got away from the pack.Glad they're back home.I need to post pics of that black beauty here too.
I described the grip on that Kodiak Hunter to my friend and he said that was typical of Bill Stewart to make those large,high wrist grips.When Owen Jeffrey started working there,they became more streamlined and comfortable like the production Kodiak Hunter shown.The 011 K' Hunter grip feels awful in my hand.Can hardly get my hand in there.Not comfortable to me at all compared to the other one.But great history for sure.
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Hi John
This is a 66 HC30 that I had always though must have been a custom order with the high wristed huge palm swell. After reading what you have above, I'm thinking this may have been another one of Mr Stewart's creations!!!
Maybe,,,, Perhaps???
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Larry-
Here's a Tamerlane from 1966,same year as yours.It also has the same brown glass as the Kodiak Hunter No.011 above.Grip appears to be about the same shape as yours which I've seen on a few other Tamerlanes,probably Bill Stewart inspired.
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Neat Stuff John...
I could see benefits with this kind of a grip setup on the target bows. The Tamerlane and the HC30 were noted for being top shooting tournament score producers in their time. (Still nice shooting bows)
Appreciate the Bill Stewart inside perspective!
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John, I like the 48# as the 60# will kill your fingers, and shake the heck out of you. I owned a SKM in that 60# range and had to let it go. The lower weights are so much better with those short little things.