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Title: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Legolas on December 06, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
I paid extra money to taper the nock end of an arrow yet tradition says we crown and crest it.  "[dntthnk]"  
Would not it make sense to leave the paint off that end and put it in the middle of the arrow?
 :p  

Paul
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: halsey on December 06, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
no paul. when we crown the rear of the arrow, it is because we are doing it to help us track it in flight. and the rear portion is the most visible to us in flight. and the cresting just is the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Legolas on December 06, 2007, 07:28:00 PM
Halsey,
Sure.Bright fletch will help with flight tracking but whats the point of tapering an arrow to fill it back up with paint?

Paul
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Bjorn on December 06, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
I agree with you Legolas;  stain the fletching end a light color but no more paint.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: NightHawk on December 06, 2007, 07:39:00 PM
I've done it both ways. I've crowned the end of arrows and I've also left the last 9 inches unstained. I did cover it with polyurethane (profin) It made no real differene other than personal prefence.

I don't believe that the crown dip is thick enough to replace the wood that was lost during the tapering process.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: halsey on December 06, 2007, 08:08:00 PM
right on night hawk. unless your putting an unimaginable amount of fletch lac, like a whole pint on an arrow, your not filling in anything with paint.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: ChuckC on December 06, 2007, 08:22:00 PM
I believe the purpose was to make it your arrow.  It makes it pretty, and it designates the owner, from many steps away.

I also think that, like everythig else human, having something special or flashy is a show of importance or wealth or simply being special, so the more ornate the arrow, the more you look wealthy to me.  

I think that when cresting and cap dipping began, folks weren't too worried about tapering.   I don't personally see my cap dipping while the arrow is in flight, but I can most certainly see the difference between 5" regular fletch and 5.5" high back fletch while in flight, especially white and red or yellow fletch.
ChuckC
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: aromakr on December 06, 2007, 08:37:00 PM
Paul:
When you taper an arrow, say 23/64" down to 5/16" your going from .362 to .312 that's .050, paint will only add .002-.003 to the dia.
Bob
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: JBiorn on December 06, 2007, 08:43:00 PM
Or you could just use dye as a crown.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Hot Hap on December 06, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
I'm with Chuck! Hap
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Dan Worden on December 06, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
Why? Because it so cool to see a white crown change to red from your treesstand. Immediately kills all doubt.   :D
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Ga.boy on December 06, 2007, 10:30:00 PM
You should not be able to see the crown colors when the arrow is in flight if it is well tuned. Only thing I see is the nock and the back of the fletching up to its highest point. Crowning is purely aesthetic. I love it cause I like pretty arrows. I would however, think that foregoing the crowning should help a tapered arrow better achieve its purpose.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: John 4 on December 07, 2007, 01:19:00 AM
I put a single line around my shafts.
It's an instant check on my brace hight.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Legolas on December 07, 2007, 06:42:00 AM
Mr. Bob Burton of Wispering Arrow,
Crystal clear. Numbers always helps.
Paul
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: madness522 on December 07, 2007, 06:48:00 AM
I'm with Dan...nothing shows red like white!
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Minuteman on December 07, 2007, 07:03:00 AM
White tails on arrows make 'em easier to find in the grass. Does nothing good in snow though. Ease of locating is the only reason I use white on my arrows.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Whip on December 07, 2007, 07:39:00 AM
I doubt that paint would make a noticable difference, and Bob's numbers bear that out.  I use stain for most of my wood arrows anyway, not because I'm worried about the thickness of the paint, but just because I like the way it looks.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 07, 2007, 08:31:00 AM
Adds a tremendous mount of MO-JO.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on December 07, 2007, 09:50:00 AM
Crowning was originally to make cresting more visible and thus allow identification of an arrows owner.

I do it now because, well, it jsut looks entirely too cool not to !
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: aromakr on December 07, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
Jeff:
Actually, crowning was originally done to keep the feathers in place on the arrow shaft. Back when, animal glue was used to fletch arrows, which is not water resistant. So after the arrow was fletched, the shaft was painted with a brush, even the feather quill was painted to protect the glue. I have many arrows in my collection that were made in 20's and earlier that were treated in that manner.
Bob
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: BigCnyn on December 07, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
Cause nobody around here does it but me..I get looks at every shoot I attend, and if they are not capped and crested , they are naked looking in my quivers..  
White 9 inch cap
3 yellow-chartruese high back shields
Black and yellow crest
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Badlands on December 07, 2007, 11:10:00 AM
I have always crested my arrows because I like the looks of it. I don't think that I can see it in flight, but it sure helps me find my arrows when they have snaked under the grass or something.  
But it does add weight and when considering Dr. Ashbys studies that show that we want most of the weight front of center, I can't help wondering if I wouldn't be better off with just a few nice cresting stripes rather than the whole dip.
I have done most of my crown dipping with fletch lack and it is pretty thick, maybe the water based stains some guys are using would be so light that it wouldn't make a difference.  ???
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Izzy on December 07, 2007, 11:20:00 AM
Plain arras just aint cool!Its like any type of weaponry throught history.The embelishments give em some magic.
Title: Re: Why would you crown an arrow...
Post by: Bill Carlsen on December 07, 2007, 12:37:00 PM
Crown dipped or not I have found that tapered or brested shafts will perform better than parallel shafts. Not wanting to start a different discussion, but IMO tapering the shaft is a good idea.