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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Blackhawk on March 26, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
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(This is the history forum, right?)
...at least that's the theme of the new Robin Hood movie coming out next year. I was reading that Russell Crowe will play the "good" Sheriff and he is the "best" archer in the land.
I did not read who was playing the evil Robin, but it's amazing what Hollywood can do to our heroes (whether real or not).
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Lon...
How about "Robin Hood: Men in Tights" Mel Brooks 1993 version... what did that do to our hero?
Or what did it do for traditional archery in general?
"We're men, we're men in tights"
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/ROBIN.jpg)
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Did the common man really wear that style of pants/leg coverings in the 11th/12th centuries? If so, were they wool? I had always thought that the idea of tights in this era, for other than the rich, was a Hollywood invention.
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well one thing I do know I bet not to many of ya'all know...guess who made that bow Robin in tights is holding in Wades pic ?? Fact is guess who made around 40 bows and some of the arrows for that movie ? bowdoc no not bowdoc.Jay StCharles made a good amount of the archery tackle for that movie.Little archery movie trivia for you buffs.bowdoc
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Hey Doc...that's the only reason we let you stay around...now we all know it
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Doc - Who made the 6 broadheads in the poster?
Collectors will be all over you if you can come up with them...
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If they're looking for an actor to play the evil Robin, my vote goes to Alan Rickman. You may recall he was the bad guy in "Quigley Down Under" and he was also the Sheriff in that Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie.
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Good choice Lon. GY
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Originally posted by SELFBOW19953:
Did the common man really wear that style of pants/leg coverings in the 11th/12th centuries? If so, were they wool? I had always thought that the idea of tights in this era, for other than the rich, was a Hollywood invention.
Well – yes, they did. Usually called "leggins" nowadays, these could either be joined between the elgs or be two individual legs just knotted together, as they were also joined with the upper garment via loops or knots.
Still, when a peasent bent down working on a field, you could occasionally see right up his ... well, you get the idea. Church didn't like that AT ALL!
Trousers as we know it were worn by the early Germanic peoples and the vikings up to the 10th century, then leggins were worn throughout the population until the 15th or 16th centuries approx.
If you're interested in clothing and equipment of the medieval archer, I highly recommend Clive Bartlett's "English Longbowmen 1330-1515" (Osprey Publishing) – nice illustrations by Gary Embleton.
Oh, and yes, they were made of woven wool, the weaving pattern running in an angle (diagonally), so the material would stretch with the movements.
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I hear that Barney Frank is going to play Maid Marian.
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Ssamac...now THAT's funny!!!!!!!!
Tom i.
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If Barney is Maid Marion, is Nancy going to be the "evil" Robin Hood?
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:knothead: :bigsmyl:
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Sorry, couldn't help it.
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if robin hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor what is the difference.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!! She is Robin Hood!!!
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And she's in tights!!! So is Barney.
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Sam – You are way too funny.
Lon – Yes, let’s continue the “serious history class”… remember this is history about a legend…
While most Robin Hood movies have some memorable scenes, nearly everyone has their favorite movie version…
Mostly because of the archery scenes and the actors, my favorite is “The Adventures of Robin Hood” (1938) with Errol Flynn as Robin Hood; Olivia de Havilland as Maid Marian; Basil Rathbone as Sir Guy of Gisbourne; Claude Rains as Prince John; Patric Knowles as Will Scarlett; Eugene Pallette as Friar Tuck; Alan Hale as Little John; Melville Cooper as the Sheriff of Nottingham; Ian Hunter as King Richard; and our beloved Howard Hill as the Captain of Archers.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/RobinHood1938Poster1.gif)
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Wade I believe that would be Flynn on the far left.bowdoc (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/ef002.jpg)
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If you get the chance, watch Olvia deHaviland's interview about the "kissing scene" from Robin Hood (he comes in from the balcony and threatens to jump if she won't kiss him). She said she kept flubbing her lines intentionally so the scene had to be reshot numerous times. Apparently, it became somewhat "embarrassing" for Flynn in his tights!!!!
My favorite, like Wade's, is the 1938 version. However, I really enjoyed the TV series from the late 50's with Richard Greene. I have several DVD's of the show. Anyone know who made the bows for that show, filmed in England I believe.
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As I remember the story, it starts off with a murder of a LEO - arguably self defense - when Robin is leaving the scene of the "Wager you cannot shoot yon deer." Robin is narrowly missed by the king's guard's arrow and turns and shoots the guard.
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One scene that always makes me laugh in the 1938 version is when Robin drops in for diner and brings his own deer... and tosses it on the table... minor detail that the story takes place in England and the deer is a North American mule deer
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They never improved on the 1938 version. I watch that a few times a year with the boys. Favorite scene for me is the tournament when he shoots the "Robin Hood" shot. There are some great extra items with the DVD including an Howard Hill section Flynn's yacht. You can get the TV series on DVD now, and it's very cheap. Did Richard Greene actually shoot the bow or did he just look good in tights?
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I agree that the 1938 version is great :thumbsup: , however, that Robin Hood TV series with Richard Greene was very inspiring for a young 10 year old boy growing up on a Tennessee farm. ;)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/robin.jpg)
And yes, Walmart is selling the entire first season on DVD. :D
Robin Hood, Robin Hood
Riding through the glen.
Robin Hood, Robin Hood
With his band of men.
Feared by the bad, loved by the good.
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hood
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Missing something without the music notes
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Jack,
I'd sing it to you, but there would be little difference, I would still be missing the notes!!!!
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Several years ago there were many items from the 1938 Robin Hood set that were sold at auction. The seller had a relative who was involved with the film. The items included some great candid photographs taken on set. I bid on many of the items and got a sound whipping on every one of them... I never look for Robin Hood stuff anymore, but it likely still turns up from time to time as there are some pretty serious Robin Hood Collectors out there...
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(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/hillflynn.jpg)
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Tom the Tinker? Now that's a good lookin bow.
Messing with the king's deer. You think they used Wildroot Creme Oil hair tonic??? You could put that stuff in your crankcase.
sam
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Lon - Yes, that photograph says it all. Hill was the Master. That is why he was hired for the film. I have a nice original of that shot.
Question of the day for the 1938 fans...
In the film, what is the significance of the arrow Hill is shown with in Lon's photograph ???
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Did the common man really wear that style of pants/leg coverings in the 11th/12th centuries? If so, were they wool?
Yes. They were wool leggings with a horizontal weave that gave them a little bit of elasticity but not "tights" as we know them. And as was said earlier they attached by loops to the tunic.
Ideally, you wore linen breaches and an under-tunic of linen. Over that went the woolen tunic and then the leggings.
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Now isn't that the black arrow which Robin only used to right injustice and abuse of the poor and defenseless? He generally tried not to kill, but if you were being a badboy, he's nail you with a black arrow. He told Sir Guy that he had one for him.
Reminds me of that great scene where he shows Maid Marian the defenseless people Robin was hiding in Sherwood. That was great. He'd be a guy on my short list of people to meet
Sam
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It's Black....and has a HH broadhead....
Tom I.
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Sam - Yes.
Sir Guy asks why Robin uses a Black Arrow.
Robin tells Sir Guy ...its results are always final.
Tom I. - Not just a HH broadhead, but a 1930s HH broadhead, pre-mass-production, handmade HH broadhead.
Last HH broadhead I saw sell at auction was on a signed HH arrow and went for $2,635.85 Jun-10-08 10:21:01 PDT... No I did not buy it... (not a black arrow)
A real collector's item.