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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Wade Phillips on March 05, 2009, 07:32:00 PM
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Can anyone identify this bow? The only making is 48-30 in white numbers on the belly at the base of the crescent inset. Cream colored glass. Black & red tip overlays. Core is 3 tapered maple laminations. Appears unused and still has a few glue spots. It is a 69" target bow drilled for stabilizers. Picked it up a few years ago.
Any help with ideas about it's identity would be greatly appreciated.
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo301/WadePhillips/EXP.jpg)
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Just a guess, but I'm going to say a Wing of some kind. Gull???
Heck I dont know.
Trap
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It looks a bit like a Browning to me 1960-1963 ish which were built by Wing...but I do not recall ever seeing the curved stripe riser.Nice looking bd
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Yes Wing did build some Brownings which may explain the riser and tip shape.But the curved stripe is 59 - 60-ish you know who looking.
I would also like to mention one other thing.I've spent many hours in Ed Holcombs shop with Ed aka Fuzzy.He does not build an actual Ed Holcomb bow.He really never had a design of his own and really never cared to design one.
However Fuzz is one of the best bow forgers I have ever seen in my life.
If not for some modern day materials he uses being made differently today and haveing a different look Ed's bows would be very hard to pick out from the real thing ie mostly like his Drake reproductions.Crap I believe Harry himself would have trouble telling the difference between one of Fuzzy's bows and his own.I swear Harry could not spot one.Thats how good of a bow forger Fuzz is.
I'am thinking that years ago there was other Ed Fuzzy Holcombs around building reproductions of there favorite bows too.You know the guy could not decide weather he liked wing browning or bear so he built all 3 one 1...bd
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not wing or browning looking lettering to me.Looks more like bowdoc lettering.bd
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Hold on Elizabeth...
Does this mean that Wade is stumpped.
Holy COW!!
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Might be an early HIT...but not a Black ACE
Most of Buds bows had the limbs mounted like thy were a takedown. with the bolts covered by a wood cap.
I know he had some that had standeard glue up limb mounting.
Could be an early HIT target bow, like a "HIT SUPREME"
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Wade,
That little dip in the back looks kinda like a Tri Sate archery Jaguar. There's some pictures (not good ones) in the "Bows" section of www.archeryhistory.com (http://www.archeryhistory.com) Are those quiver inserts on the back of the bow? By the way, this is definately the best place to learn about vintage archery stuff. I've got your broadhead books. They're great and I don't even collect the darn things. I like the bows better. roofleakfixer
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Anyways Wade, That's a fine looking bow u have there....
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Now I really have heard everything! LOL!!
Wade, you not a bow collector that's like Joe Ratzinger saying he really isn't a Catholic!
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Bjorn - My real interest in collecting old archery tackle ends in the 1960s. And my field of interest in bows is very narrow.
Given that criteria, I can not really call myself a serious bow collector. While I may know a little about 1871-1940s wooden bows, Bear Grumleys, Bear Kodiaks, pre-1960 Bear Kodiak Specials, I don't now much about the dozens of other fields of interest in bow collecting.
Just like collecting broadheads. While there are very few old traditional broadheads that I do have in my collection, I don't collect any broadheads with AMO 8-32 screw in threads. I don't know anything about them nor do I want to.
Archery is a huge field of collecting... with many different niches.
Most of the more advanced bow collectors I have met, couldn't identify 5 percent of the over 2,000 actual size broadheads pictured in "Broadheads 1871-1971 Identification and Rarity Guide, Second Edition".
Their primary interest is collecting bows, they are not serious broadhead collectors, even though they may have or be able to identify most of Fred Bear's production Broadheads.
That is the cool thing about this site, it brings us all together so we can all learn from each other.
Bjorn - I've learned a hell of lot from you as you know. Especially on the 55 and newer Grizzlies, which I don't even collect! Don't think I told you, last night I found a 55 Griz in the bows to sell in the garage. Let's see maybe I will look for the other... just joking...
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It is a giant field-isn't it? A person could study, and decide to collect pre-1500's archery equipment, and commit to know intimately the accompanying history-now that would be a challenge!
But whom to collect with-where is the camaraderie? Perhaps there are others out there-immersed in that niche....maybe a web site like this one? Whatcha' think?
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Bjorn - Actually there is an International organization devoted to studying the bow and arrow from its earliest times, The Society of Archer-Antiquaries.
The Society was formed in 1956 in England and has published an annual Journal since 1958. Many of the Society members are highly educated and publish professional quality articles in the Journal.
Most of the Prominent bowmen of the last half of the 20th century who authored books about ancient archery, were devoted members of the Society.
The Society is truly the academic brain trust of archery's diverse development through time.
Hope I am not sanctioned for posting a link to the Society's web site.
http://www.societyofarcher-antiquaries.org/
Many of the Society's members are devoted collectors within their specialized fields. Their collections of centuries old artifacts is simply beyond comprehension for most collectors of modern day equipment.
These are museum quality artifacts and museum curator quality people.
A truly professional Society, far above my personal level of expertise or competence.
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Doesn't look like any Browning I've ever seen. The half moon in the riser(looks to be done after initail glue-up because the white belly glass is covered up by it) sort of resembles the Crystaline, what was that a Bear Kodiak Special. Any thoughts to it being home made or a really small time local bowyer? How many lams in the limbs not counting the glass?
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United States Archery did build some weird looking bows but their limbs were wide at the tips and did not have tip overlays. Also, many of the Browning's did not have tip overlys either, especially the longer target models.
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Wade that bow looks like an early Bob Lee design I might even have one like it around here someplace.
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I'm gunna jump right out a the box here and say it is a very late Cliff Coe,possibly a late Tourney model.Shaped like a Tourney,lambs like a Tourney,and writing like other Coe bows.I own a Tourney and that is the profile.But, thats just my opinion.Give Cliff a holla. cornfed
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TOP BOW IN PICTURE Wade: Here's a 1966 Kodiak Special Prototype, looks like some of the same curves. Wade yours has a different grip cut then this one....maybe a different year?? maybe not now that I look at it again. :knothead:
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq170/mibowman/237494249_o-1.jpg)
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Hey Bill were those bows built by Bill Stewart? Pretty sure while he was working at Bear Archery ? bd
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Don,....you got it....The guy who has them is going to be selling soon....how would they fit in line with Bear Archery bows.
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I remember an article about Corky Johnson Bows. The handle disign and tips look like the bow in that article. The bow in the article didn't have the half-moon inlay in the handle though. I have one of Corky's older bows and as I remember the tips look somewhat like that. Can't be sure, I am in Nome,AK working and the bow is back in Ohio. I will check it out when I get home.
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Oh yeah Bill I've seen many many Bill Stewart Bear bows over the years being from Washington myself.I actually just saw a tamerlane with the normal Bill Stewart Cam Limbs and marked from Bear archery...I heard through the grapevine and like any good reporter I can not and will not give up my source of info from former bear dealers.The Bear dealer told me Fred about chit his pants over those Bill Stewart cam limb tamerlanes.Someone said hey Fred this is the new line of bows and Fred said not at Bear Archery there not.Later on down the road was bye bye Bill and goodbye cam limb tamerlanes forever...Believe me there are a good many Bill-Bear bows around.Its sad someone does not have the money and time to collect as many as possible of Bill-Bears and display them.There are 3-4 in the P&Y musium also...pretty cool.bd
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Doc - With your post above, are you now confessing/admitting/revealing that Bill was the source of the "1967" Kodiak that you once owned ????