Post by: LURP DOG on January 20, 2009, 01:16:00 PM
THANX
Post by: d. ward on January 20, 2009, 01:29:00 PM
Post by: LURP DOG on January 20, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
DAVID
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 20, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
For a skinning knife, I would guess that you want a convex edge blade, narrow but rigid, fairly hard and perhaps 3" or so in length. A common, inexpensive blade meeting these requirements would be a 2-blade Arrowmate. I have an extra blade in unused condition that I would be happy to send you for free. Let me know if you want a wider blade with more of a convex edge.
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/TG-AROM.JPG)
Post by: LURP DOG on January 20, 2009, 02:00:00 PM
That broadhead looks GREAT! I would have to give you something for it! Wouldn't feel right! LMK what'ca want for it!
About your collection I was just looking to see if anyone collected broadheads and to see how they were displayed.
While looking for a broadhead for my little mnife project I noticed alot of older broadheads for sale and I might want to start collecting a few down the road.
SEE AY & THANX AGAIN
DAVID
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 20, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
Will also include a five pages from the Appendix of my book “Broadheads 1871-1971 Identification and Rarity Guide”, Second Edition. These pages will explain different methods of displaying broadheads and show photographs of parts of five of the largest broadhead collections ever assembled. These pages will give you some good ideas and explain the advantages of different types of displays. – Wade
Post by: LURP DOG on January 20, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
E-mail sent and I must say that I REALLY do appreciate your generosity!
Folks like you are what makes this hobby/sport so enjoyable!!!!!!!
THANX AGAIN
DAVID
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 20, 2009, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: LURP DOG on January 20, 2009, 04:28:00 PM
Thank you so much!!!!!!
DAVID
Post by: d. ward on January 20, 2009, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Van/TX on January 20, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Post by: johnnyrazorhead on January 20, 2009, 11:09:00 PM
You wouldn't happen to have an extra "pinned bear" razorhead laying around that you could send me.I'm a big Fred Bear fan and I think that was his first example of the razorhead.Thanks in advance.
Wade,you are the man!Nice. :rolleyes:
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 21, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
Actually the Pinned Bear was NOT the first Razorhead... check page B-6-1 in "Broadheads 1871-1971".. The first Razorhead was the Pre-Pinned Exp Razorhead, circa 1954. I do have the only two known. Fred gave both of them to Floyd. I would consider trading one of them for the right item/items of equivalent value. What are you offering?
Post by: johnnyrazorhead on January 21, 2009, 02:10:00 AM
Post by: d. ward on January 21, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
Post by: oneshot-onekill on January 21, 2009, 09:05:00 AM
Thanks
Terry
Post by: Chuck Homitz on January 21, 2009, 09:58:00 AM
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 21, 2009, 11:46:00 AM
Post by: johnnyrazorhead on January 21, 2009, 12:07:00 PM
Wish I had something else to offer.
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 21, 2009, 12:16:00 PM
1. Fred Bear vs BowDoc…
2. Greatest Bowhunter of All Time vs Greatest Bow Refinisher in Seattle
3. 1954 vs 2000…
4. One of Two Original Machined Prototypes of Greatest Broadhead Ever Produced vs One of Three Handmade Heads that were Never Manufactured
5. First Ferrule Fred Made and Slotted for Insert vs Raping 64 Razorhead Ferrule
6. Pre-Pinned Razorhead Authenticated in video of Fred with head in hand and explaining it vs BowDoc Trad Gang Photo and text
OK, BowBoc, I know you think you have a valuable head, but I’m not going to trade you even up…. What is your offer ?
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 21, 2009, 12:27:00 PM
"Hole in the Head" (a catchy name can increase its appeal)
Looks like a Len Fisher inspired Round Hole... Tried to call Len in Seattle a while back, but he moved. Know where he is now?
Post by: d. ward on January 21, 2009, 04:58:00 PM
Getting new ferrules made ran into snag after snag.I could not buy enough ferrules to make it worth it.Then getting the blades cut with a waterjet or plas cutter rather then die stamped was another spendy deal.In the stainless and aluminum combo I only made 3 large 185 gr. 3 medium 150 gr. and 3 small 125 gr..here's the catchy name too Bob Super Giant,Giant and yes you guessed it Little Giant.
Belinda sent me some info on advertising in TBH and that was a bit more pricey then I figured also.So to sum it up the friggen cost was out of contol before I even got going.I was going to try and arrow a black bear in Que'bec last spring with the super mounted to a Sweetland but changed my mind at the last minute.Maybe this spring I'll go for the gusto.Just a fun project..
I have not seen nore heard from Len in about 2 years.He was haveing some medical problems last I heard....bd
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 21, 2009, 05:10:00 PM
"Giant Hole in the Head"
Not sure if you know it or not, but there are only two Bear Giants known to have survived that are now in collections. Joe (now P&Y) has the one Fred gave to Glenn while on the 1959 Little Delta Hunt, and I have the other one, which was one that Fred broke out of the archives and took on his last Polar Bear Hunt in 1966.
I've never shot mine to see how it flies, but Fred said that they did not fly very well...
Post by: d. ward on January 21, 2009, 05:53:00 PM
Post by: Van/TX on January 21, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: Van/TX on January 21, 2009, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: johnnyrazorhead on January 21, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
That would be Floyd Eccelston from Mt. Pleasant,Michigan.He owned an Archery Shop/Museum in Mt. Pleasant and was friends with Fred Bear,Nels Grumley,and many other of the "old timers".He had at one time the largest broadhead collection in the world.He passed away a few years ago.He was a wonderful guy.
Post by: wadde on January 21, 2009, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: Falk on January 22, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
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Okay, here is something I did in, I think, 2004:
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/SF165Knife_0639_600.jpg)
I enjoyed building it, sewing the neck-knife sheat etc. etc. - but to be honest, any broadhead-knife is crap, even with a SilverFlame blade, when compared to the real thing, built for the purpose (slicing not stabbing) - and IMO especially in a skinner. Well - have fun ...
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 22, 2009, 09:15:00 AM
Post by: LURP DOG on January 22, 2009, 09:26:00 AM
I was just looking for a broadhead for a little project.
Wade - PLEASE feel free to keep the broadheads as I don't want anyone to harbor ill feelings towards anyone!
THANX
LURP DOG
Post by: d. ward on January 22, 2009, 09:33:00 AM
Wade is a good guy and I would be willing to bet he has at least one extra arrowmate to spare...Keep up the good work Wade.....bd
Post by: Falk on January 22, 2009, 09:48:00 AM
"Investment"?
In no way is anything archery related item which I ever aquired a sort of investment to me - at least not regarding money. I would never be able to get even half of that out what I put into it (please, dont tell my wife!). But I have no inclination to sell anyways.
Lurp Dog - dont worry! Everthing is all right ...
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 22, 2009, 09:29:00 PM
I believe my above statement posted January 21, 2009 05:10 PM, is still accurate…
“…there are only two Bear Giants known to have survived that are now in collections.”
Actually there are “…only two Bear Giants known to have survived that are now in collections.”
For a number of years I have been aware of two other Bear Giants that were “reported” to exist. Unfortunately, the enthusiastic collectors who were in hot pursuit of these “reported” Giants were never able to actually lay their hands on them and photograph them to prove their existence.
I would strongly suspect that one of those two is the Giant you have now reported. I say this because one of the previously reported Giants was in the general area that you mentioned. If your “reported sighting” is not one of those other two, yours would be the third that may be acquired by a member of the collecting community and displayed in a collection someday.
In the writings about broadheads in my books, the RARITY reference is to the number of heads that are known to exist in collections. I believe you can see the problems with trying to include “reported sightings”, is there two or are there three additional Bear Giants that may someday wind up in collections if the present owners don’t die and their heirs throw the heads in the scrap metal pile and they are melted down…
Although Fred reported that he made a couple dozen, where are the others? How should they be accounted for????
I do not include “reported sightings” of Bear Giants or any other heads. Until those “reported sightings” or “unconfirmed sightings” become a “confirmed sighting”, that is their existence is established with an actual photograph to prove they have survived, I can not consider any of the 2 or 3 as being in collections or being in existence.
BowDoc – If someone told this guy the Bear Giant was worth $10,000 and he believes that is its value, you should contact John and tell him you want a nice commission for picking up the Bear Giant for him. John may well give you a commission far exceeding the income from a day of refinishing bows. I know at one time, John was very interested in getting a Bear Giant more than any other broadhead. If John is not interested in such a transaction, let me know, as I know another very serious collector from Michigan who also desperately wants a Bear Giant. I will be more than happy to put you in touch with him.
I don’t want any commission for helping you make any transaction. I only want the satisfaction of being a party to helping get more of these rare, and historically significant artifacts into the hands of legitimate collectors; so they can be properly cared for and displayed in collections, for all to see.
Post by: alaskabowhunter on January 22, 2009, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 23, 2009, 12:02:00 AM
A suggestion for aid in the recovery of this Bear Giant, contact Dr. Robert Ballard, the legendary oceanographer famous discovering RMS Titanic, battleship Bismarck, aircraft carrier USS Yorktown, and the wreck of John F. Kennedy's PT-109. He may want to add a Bear Giant to his impressive resume of finds. Good Luck.
Post by: d. ward on January 23, 2009, 07:37:00 AM
Chuck as soon a the ice starts thawing I will be up with my cut-offs finns and mask....bd
Post by: Van/TX on January 24, 2009, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: johnnyrazorhead on January 24, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: Flyrite on January 27, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm162/flyrite23/BigBearTradGang.jpg)
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 27, 2009, 11:54:00 AM
Fred said that real Giant Razorhead did not fly very well...
How does this one fly???
Do you collect MBH Buttons?
Post by: Flyrite on January 27, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: d. ward on January 27, 2009, 12:27:00 PM
If you think Fred's giant was short lived.You want to see a really super good short lived broadhead ??? Then check out the Bowdoc wooden broadheads.They were so good a flew so straight and true.They were one of the best broadheads ever.We were just setting up for production and realized some those compound shooters could not sharpen them.One guy said they would not hold and edge another said they floated...I just scraped the whole project after that....bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/heads001.jpg)
Post by: Flyrite on January 27, 2009, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: d. ward on January 27, 2009, 06:09:00 PM
I've shot razorheads about all of my years of bowhunting.I've killed 99% of my critters with bear razorheads.
This broadhead was one I just had to try one time.I arrowed a black bear in Que'bec 2004 with this one mounted to a Bill Sweetland forgewood arrow with a headshrinker.Great tribute to two great men.What is it ? bd (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/finn002.jpg)
Post by: Falk on January 27, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
Anyhow, what the BowDoc took to kill a black bear and what is shown in the pic above is a StCharles "MickeyFinn"
There is a e8ay auction going on right now, with two Mickey Finns on arrows! That would be something to get and later take a critter with it ...
Post by: d. ward on January 27, 2009, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: D.Sheppard on January 27, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
30 CAL-SLASHER
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-P1260163.jpg)
Post by: JavelinaHink on January 27, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: d. ward on January 27, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: Wade Phillips on January 27, 2009, 10:41:00 PM
Perhaps the most unique is Archery Hall of Fame Inductee, Karl Palmetier's circa 1930s, .30 Caliber, Cartridge Case, 5-Barb Broadhead. It is shown at the bottom of page 22 in "Broadheads 1871-1971 Identification and Rarity Guide, Second Edition".
Palmetier's head was a legitimate broadhead that he mounted on an arrow and used for shooting fish. It is actually one of the most functional old fish broadheads ever made. It is also one of the many favorites in my collection.
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/PALM.JPG)
Post by: JavelinaHink on January 27, 2009, 11:00:00 PM