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Title: Bear coins?
Post by: C Kerley on January 14, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
I know I've read it on here before, but now I can't find it.  What's the latest word on the aftermarket coins, or where can I buy an old one?  I thought some folks on here had mixed reviews about the 3Rivers replacements.  I have a '70 Super K on the way with one missing.
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: kurtbel5 on January 14, 2009, 05:38:00 PM
Hey Carlos,
I'm about 2 weeks, maybe a little bit more,from getting the copper coin out, I think its also the right bear for an aluminum one.

I'm still learning what coin went were,when.

I'm not sure which metal was used in the 70 SK's.
I think the 3R coin is the right model and metal for your bow.

Its just made from a tired form IMO
           Kurt
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Post by: Grant Young on January 14, 2009, 05:44:00 PM
Kurt- the coin in a '70 was silver but not aluminum- maybe nickel? German silver? Bowdoc or Rich can probably tell you what the actual material is.                       Grant
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Post by: kurtbel5 on January 14, 2009, 06:28:00 PM
Ha see Carlos,
still learning
 Kurt
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Post by: d. ward on January 14, 2009, 06:47:00 PM
Carp now you got me second guessing my first guess I'll have to go check..bd
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Post by: TRAP on January 14, 2009, 07:57:00 PM
LOL I thought the 70 SK was Brass.

In any case, the 3 Creeks coin = not so good  :(  

Trap
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Post by: ckruse on January 14, 2009, 08:07:00 PM
Brass is correct.... tell Trap what he's won, Don Pardo! CKruse
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Post by: TRAP on January 14, 2009, 08:14:00 PM
:jumper:  woooooohoooooo!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: d. ward on January 14, 2009, 08:44:00 PM
No no no hold the phone Don Pardo I got to get me sleper on...bd
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Post by: d. ward on January 14, 2009, 08:58:00 PM
good pic its just the guy walnut shell blasted the riser of this 1970 super K and he may have forgoten to remove the coin...bd   (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/70sk003.jpg)   (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/70sk005.jpg).... (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/70sk006.jpg)
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Post by: kurtbel5 on January 14, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
Rich,
Having the right guy making them right now.
Thats why I have to wait 2 more weeks   ;)    

My Repro is the coin out of a 1959 Kodiak.
Thanks for letting me borrow it Trap.

From Dons pics looks like the aluminum coins are the same Bear and logo, so I will have alum and copper made in 1st run.

So, help me out here, is the German steel coin the same Bear and logo?

I think somebody posted a pic once, of all the coins and the what years they were in bows, does anybody have it still?? I'd like a copy.

 I will keep everyone informed, as I get closer
        Kurt
PS: Have not got the final bills, so don't know what they will cost yet.
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: kurtbel5 on January 14, 2009, 10:05:00 PM
In Dons pic again,

I see the flat back Bears,in copper/ alum/ German steel
and the round back Bears looks like in brass/alum

Then I see some roundback with a extra row of bumps just inside the rim, what years did that happen?
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: Stickbow98 on January 14, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
This help, Kurt?

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/stickbow98/BearMedallions.jpg)

>>--Ron--<>
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: kurtbel5 on January 14, 2009, 11:21:00 PM
Thank you Ron thats it
    Kurt
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Post by: d. ward on January 15, 2009, 06:47:00 AM
Better hold on...The 1963 Kodiak is not brass.Never was...the 63-64-65 and a few 66 Kodiaks were German nickle/silver.One thought is those coins are coverd in a very very thick yellow colored fuller finish makeing the coin look brass....and the 1970 Bear Super Kodiak Coin is aluminum for sure...bowdoc
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Post by: Stickbow98 on January 15, 2009, 07:36:00 AM
Good morning Doc,         :coffee:        

Using the coins for dating purposes is not an EXACT science, as they were often used haphazardly from whatever stock was available. Regarding the 1970 Bear Super Kodiak Coin, note that aluminum as well as brass was used from 63-72, and nickel-silver from 70-72...     :confused:    making 70 an interesting year coin wise!

A student hitting the books...
>>--Ron--<>
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Post by: d. ward on January 15, 2009, 07:55:00 AM
Coins are for sure not a good dateing system.I'am certin over the years some may have been lost and replaced by the bows owners too.Also in 1960 the Kodiaks can be found with copper aluminum and the flat bear made of nickle alloy which were in the 1960 Grizzly's.Maybe the Kodiak line ran short on coins and just snatched them off the Grizzly line....
Trap where's that 1960 Kodiak you got off G-Bone...That one has a nickle coin in it.....bd
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Post by: Grant Young on January 15, 2009, 08:16:00 AM
I just looked at my '70 Super K and i guess what I thought was nickel could be polished aluminum- My TDs are gold colored brass. Don; don't let me get confused,lol.    Grant
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: TRAP on January 15, 2009, 08:49:00 AM
Sorry, the pictures arent great but here it is

 (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa277/DUCK_TRAP/RileyBday09088.jpg)
 (http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa277/DUCK_TRAP/RileyBday09085.jpg)

Trap
Title: Re: Bear coins?
Post by: C Kerley on January 15, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
Well, from the pictures it looked like this bow was gonna need some "love" anyway, so I'm not too worried about perfect authentic metal.  I would like it to be silver in color, which at least makes it look right.  

Kurtbel5 if you'll let me know if you get anything like that....
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Post by: mwmwmb on January 15, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
speaking of coins that 62 kodiak i picked up has some finish off of the coin. will this effect anything (i.e. moisture getting in the wind). what should i do if anything.
 (http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/unionid/102_1495.jpg)

also it has these sights on it. I want to take them off. what should i do with the holes? also does any body know what kind of sights they are?
 (http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/pp75/unionid/102_1496.jpg)
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Post by: alaskabowhunter on January 15, 2009, 07:10:00 PM
I heard at one time that the mayor of Grayling came to visit Fred at the factory. Apparently the bear coins were being used in the city parking meters as nickels. The mayor had a coffee can of the coins that had been collected out of the meters. Fred returned the coins back to the production line and they were put into bows. I don't think the workers really cared which coin got put in a bow.
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Post by: mwmwmb on January 15, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
ttt
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Post by: C Kerley on January 16, 2009, 02:01:00 PM
Well, I made a slight mistake.  The bow is in fact either a '71 or '72 and at one time it had the newer "button" on it.  It looks as though someone removed it and used one of the holes for a kwikee type quiver.  I'm not trying to make it something it's not, but I'd like to put a flush coin in place of that hole.  How complicated is it gonna be to get that hole "just right"??
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Post by: kurtbel5 on January 16, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
Just read a thread with this ? its in the 59 maple site window thread.
Sounds like you should be fairly experienced for that project.
        Kurt
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Post by: Moooseran on January 17, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/mooseran/BearCoins-Decal-Buttons1.jpg)

Will this help... every type Bear used over the years
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Post by: d. ward on January 18, 2009, 05:01:00 AM
Kerley thats an easy change.I will mic my bit later today and post the size.You will want to make sure the bow is clamped down solid so it will not shift around during drilling.bd
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Post by: C Kerley on January 21, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
The "just perfect" depth to drill is what concerns me most.  Do you glue it in with standard hot-melt?  And could I add a little extra glue under it if it's drilled too deep?