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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Wade Phillips on January 12, 2009, 05:05:00 AM
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Does anyone know anything about the Pea Green Glass, White Tip Grayling Limbs? Serial # 2-2682. Hand printing in black ink on the brown surface where it contacts the latch.
(http://members.cox.net/wadephillips/GREEN-TD.JPG)
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Don't know nuch about hem other than having two sets myself and seeing maybe two other sets besides yours.All have been #2 limbs.Weird color.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr118/johnnyrazorhead/mustardtake-downlimbs.jpg)
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"Don't know much about them" it should say.My fat fingers again.Sorry.
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Joe Natske has two sets also one target weight and one around 50#'s odd ducks...bd
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Forgot about Joes two sets Doc.Then I've seen maybe 4 other sets of these limbs.Still all have been #2 limbs.
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yap Joe's are both #2's also..bd
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That mustard-colored glass was used on the early 70's Tigercat, I believe. I'm away from my catalogs or I could tell you what year. The stain on the core material is even the same as the wood on those. Odd ducks for sure. Wade, great to have you on here! How's the Bear bow collecting book coming along? CKruse
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I have never seen these before. Do they have serial numbers? Probably more proto-type projects.... must have been fun to own your own archery factory back in the day... I would be excited to go to work. Good to see you posting Wade!
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NEVER EVEN KNEW THEY EXISTED...
Pictures someone...PLEASE!!!
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John – Thanks for sharing photographs of your two sets and knowledge of other two sets. The set I have was Grumley’s. So perhaps my set is one you counted as one of the other two sets you know of. Let me know as we don’t want to double count these peculiar limbs.
bowoc – Good to know that Natske also has two sets.
ckruse – Great identification, your “mustard-colored” description is precise. I’ll use it to replace my inadequate “pea green” explanation. Present status of “Fred Bear’s Most Collectible Bows 1933-1966”… a draft in revision. Last year, I increased my Grumleys from roughly 30 to 100. The number of separate identified categories increased from 6 to several additional sub-categories that were previously just considered to be variations. It’s fascinating to have the opportunity to study each of these Grumley bows and discover previously unrecorded data. I had nearly every bow in the 6 initial separate categories, but am still missing a few in the sub-categories. My intentions are to have photographs of all the bows in all categories and sub-categories. I am still researching some of these sub-categories. Right now I don’t know if some missing bows in the sub-categories even exist in any Grumley collection. As for the newer bows, 1949-1966, I am pretty well set with everything needed to show every bow in every length and every riser variation and wood type of every year. Have also expanded some of the 1949-1966 era to include other bows. Past books have taught me, it’s hard to know where to stop… Also, have a couple other books to finish up before spending all my time working on the bows. Hopefully I will live long enough to complete all of these projects.
Chuck – Serial number is 2-2682. Not sure if anyone has any idea as to the limb serial numbers produced by year and month, but would guess that 2682 was produced within months after production began. When I acquired these “mustard” limbs they were presented as “experimental”, which is probably more accurate than “proto-type” a term is usually reserved for the original or first working model of an item. Not sure if they were really experimental or even a special order, but if I were guessing (which I try never to do), they might be categorized as simply a project to turn some left over, low demand, “mustard” glass into some revenue. There are probably dozens of other explanations for their existence.
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I saw a set on the bay a couple years ago and hadn't seen em before.
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I like the color, wish I could find a set with a riser.
Danny
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I like 'em! #2's you say? I'll take the 50#ers :D
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Here's my set. Tough color (http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/mooseran/IMG_0005a.jpg) to photograph
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(http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq126/mooseran/IMG_0002a.jpg)
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Very Nice, I like the color also.
Looks like you got the pic thing fine tuned now Moose. Great to see your input here.
Trap
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Moose - Your limbs are different than the others shown on this thread, black in place of the brown... Do yours have white tips too?
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Hi Wade:
As I said a tough color to photograph.The color is close to the real color. The limb tips are white with yellow. The wedges in the limbs are a dark brown....Limbs are #2 and check out the serial number.............
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Hello Moose - The past two days, I went through hundreds and hundreds of old Bear photographs. Many are not known to be published in any document...
One photograph of the inside of Fred's office shows several T/D limbs, some black limbs, white limbs and you guessed, it, some that are in somewhere in between black and white. Unfortunately, the photograph is black and white, so I am unable to positively identify the limbs as being the Mustard Color, but I'm still looking for the color version of this photograph... Will keep you posted as I go through more photographs...
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Hello Wade: just went to my web site to check the photos of Fred's Office and work shop. Didn't see any limbs there. I'll have to check more photos to see if I have anything.....Looking at the photos of the limbs posted here it seems that the colors are different. What do you think ???
Later...........me
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Hello Moose - The color of the glass of any individual limbs can change with exposure to the elements. The basic mustard colored glass seems to be the same. The wedges of your limbs look noticeably darker than the others. Fred's limbs were on the wall between his office and work shop, actually on the work shop wall above the doorway.
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i wonder if they were built from samples of swedish glass--the same as herters-"farbenglass"
the color is as close as it comes![IMO]
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Color Tips fir T/D's from Grayling were White,Red and Blue.
From Gainesville were Green and wood colored and the ones being made now are Black and White.
The exception is the Signature Bow and the new Supreme T/D.
Let's how good my memory is .....Some one else will jump in.....