Post by: D.Sheppard on December 10, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
Here are a few pics of interesting heads:
A pair of 1947 Fleetwood Deerslayers but one has been modified into a fishpoint. I have been told its original.
An original creation by our German friend Falk called the MA-Barker, the head is a modified M-A3-L.
The results of a Browing Serpentine, I guess the nickname apple corer is appropriate. The head flew very well and I didn't hear any noise.
Hope everyone has a safe and Happy Holiday Season!
Thanx, Shep
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-PC090069.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-PC090065.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-bowpics303.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-bowpics305.jpg)
Post by: d. ward on December 10, 2008, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: Falk on December 10, 2008, 04:37:00 PM
The modified fish-Deerslayer reminds me of some modified Zwickeys [#1426] I've got. Have a Eskimo [#1420, not pictured] in the same manner too. They all have serrated edges, on bleeders also, little difficult to see here. Anyways, it looks as if done by placing them between two grinding wheels for this kind of edge. No idea if this was done at the factory. I have never seen this before or heard of it. Maybe just some skilled person did it?!
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/210gr_ScrewIn_mod_Zwickey_6485_600.jpg)
And then there are some field points which take the term 'Screw-In' to a next level :D
They day before yesterday I was about to throw the two cut off screw tips away, because they were sitting on my work bench and in the way. But then, out of a sudden, I had silver soldered them onto blunts and smiled about the wicked points I had just created :) They are 210 grains and flew just fine yesterday on 2317 camo hunter from my Dogleg Kodiak.
Post by: Falk on December 10, 2008, 04:46:00 PM
good apple core drilling there! I always wanted to do something like that, but traded away every spare Serpentine I got ... and I dont get lots of them over here, as usual :(
Post by: D.Sheppard on December 10, 2008, 07:50:00 PM
19 - 3 blade heads
6 - 4 blade heads
1 - 5 blade head
2 - mech.
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-PC090062.jpg)
Post by: d. ward on December 11, 2008, 07:59:00 AM
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Post by: Chuck Homitz on December 11, 2008, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: Snakeeater on December 11, 2008, 10:47:00 AM
How much do those .30 cal tips weigh? I assume that they are glue on tips.
Post by: d. ward on December 11, 2008, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: vtmtnman on December 12, 2008, 06:43:00 AM
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Originally posted by D.Sheppard:What are you looking for in particular?I'm not as blessed as the other folks on here in my collection but I may have something. :readit:
Anybody interested in trading these screw-ins for some glue-ons. 28 total
19 - 3 blade heads
6 - 4 blade heads
1 - 5 blade head
2 - mech.
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p115/shepu812/mini-PC090062.jpg)
I'm interested in those two mechanicals. :thumbsup:
Post by: Falk on December 12, 2008, 07:26:00 PM
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/ShotgunArrowhead_6487_600)
Anybody ever actually shot this thing?
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/ShotgunArrowhead_6489_600)
Post by: d. ward on December 13, 2008, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: aromakr on December 13, 2008, 11:30:00 AM
You are correct there is a rubber band that holds the aluminum paddle in place, both come off when the arrow is shot.
Falk:
I haven't used one my self, but remember articles written about the arrow when they came on the market. The authors claimed shooting Pheasant's on the wing, with great success.
The one you have pictured doesn't look like an original? The tube looks anodized and its pinned in place instead of being knurled plus its on a footed shaft.
Bob
Post by: Falk on December 13, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
I dont have an original shotgun arrowhead and if I had I wouldn't shoot it, for obvious reason. But I always wanted to know how this gimmick would do under field conditions. So I made some replicas myself. I altered the original concept a little to my liking. And yes, this one is on one of my footed shafts. The head, loaded but without shaft, is 475gr. BTW: the clip is not shown in firing position. It has to be fitted the other way around - hold by a rubber band. I dont want to use the orig. missiles though, so I will have to replace them when shooting one of these.
A while back I had discussed this with someone and he quoted from an article saying they got about 50% of the birds shot at. I also remember he sent me a picture of a nice mount: pheasant already hit by missiles - some still on the way - and the arrow a littel off, spitting the last one out ... but I cant find the picture now somehow.
Doc, I like that! But as it is here just right now, I would probably use my 80# Super Magnum to propell that arrow :mad:
Post by: aromakr on December 13, 2008, 04:19:00 PM
I do have an original one in the box, however not a full load of missiles or the paddle. I've been considering reproducing that arrow for the market place so only time will tell.
Bob
Post by: marlon on December 14, 2008, 05:55:00 AM
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Post by: goodolboy94 on December 17, 2008, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: Falk on December 17, 2008, 04:03:00 PM
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John,they are used like just any ordinary point - as jacket for the front end of the shaft - no explosives included here ...
On cheap arrows you may sometimes find alum jackets crimped on. Think of a full metal jacket instead - thats all.
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Post by: d. ward on December 19, 2008, 12:48:00 PM
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Post by: Falk on December 19, 2008, 01:17:00 PM
telling the Zwickey's appart will need close inspection and some measurements from a caliper. But to give at least a little opinion, all pictured are Zwickey's. The easiest to determin this way are the two with pin holes. Most likely they are 5/16 Eskimos from about 1942 (#1401).
All the rest probably made after 1947, due to the shoulder (trailing edge) being about .40" from the ferrule ends. On the pin hole models this same distance is noticably smaller, right?
The Delta looks like the 1959 model (#1426) to me.
An other thing to look for are the different positions of the ferrule tips in regard to the back end of the tripple laminate - and the width of the later. Difficult to determine ...
I have absolutely no idea about the field point ;)
Post by: d. ward on December 19, 2008, 05:15:00 PM
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Post by: Falk on December 20, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
But here is something different and special for you
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/WinterSolstice2008_6556_640.jpg)
I wish all of you history & collecting nuts a nice and relaxed winter solstice time!
Falk
Post by: D.Sheppard on December 20, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
A winter wonderland I can relate to ! A very merry and happy holiday season to all.
Thanx, Shep
Post by: D.Sheppard on December 20, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
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Post by: Rick P on December 22, 2008, 02:35:00 AM
Bowdoc I have lots of walrus ivory if you'd like one made from the real mccoy.
Post by: d. ward on January 05, 2009, 09:41:00 AM
I scored a couple plyflex solid fiberglass hunting arrows last week.These are 1/4" weighting in at a whopping 580 grains with punched(no glue)field tips and are super straight pretty cool..bowdoc (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/bowdocs/plyflex001.jpg)
Post by: d. ward on January 05, 2009, 09:43:00 AM