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Main Boards => Trad History/Collecting => Topic started by: Blackhawk on July 11, 2008, 05:32:00 PM
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After all this praise of the "Dogleg", I made the decision to grab my first one when a nice one become available.
Tradgang member "Johnny Razorhead" put one on the big auction site...which I won, and it just arrived.
My first impression of the grip and feel of this 45# bow was rather positive, and it sure liked aluminum 1916's.
It's not quite the looker of the Kodiak that "ckruse" posted here earlier, but now that I've shot it for a while, maybe the "Dogleg" is not quite as ugly as I had thought.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/dogleg2.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/lwscott/dogleg1.jpg)
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Nice.....bowdoc
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You gotta love that lighning bolt riser! :cool: CKruse
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If I keep telling myself they are ugly I can resist the incredible urge I have to shop for one. What an ugly bow Lon, I wouldnt give a nickel for one.
Okay I can resist it for another week maybe.
:bigsmyl:
Trap
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Trap, when you can stand it no more, get with me. I have a couple of extra. One is on the classifieds now. You may just have something to trade me for one of my old "DOGS" CKruse
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Hard to believe that 60#er lasted 22 hours at that price.
Nice bow Lon. They do grow on ya dont they.
Trap
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Although the asthetics of the bow is what most guy use to judge "beauty", many of us old farts that were around when the dogleg came out have extra appreciation for it is history and meaning.
I was about 16 when it came out. My best freind spent the Summer working for his uncle in Michigan, and came back with a '63 dogleg. That is just part of my personal interest in the model. Most of us remember it as the Bow that Papa Bear used to take the Tiger in India.
Many of us followed the exploits of Papa Bear, Jack Howard, Bob Swienhardt, and other archery icons, and lived our fantasies vicariously through their adventures.
In my opinion, you have a beautiful bow. It might not have the burled look like camerons, or the irridesence of mine, but it still has the MOJO of Papa Bear carrying it throught the bush in India stalking his first Indian Tiger.
Another thing you have is one of the best shooting hunting bows ever made.
Enjoy the beauty,,,enjoy the MOJO...enjoy the shooting.
If anyone tells you it is ugly, it is because they have no taste.
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If you are referring to my post, let me make it crystal clear that I was joking.
When I first saw them I thought they were a bit bizarre in design, but I've grown to like them very much.
They are cool to me because there is no other model year close to them in design.
I'm pretty sure I owned one in the mid 80s but had no idea at the time what I had. I purchased it at a garage sale, not sure how much I paid and traded it in along with 3-4 other Bear recurves and some cash a year later for the latest greatest wheeled contraption of the time. I think it was a Golden Eagle Round wheeled compound with recurved limbs.
I've lived alot and learned alot since then.
I've heard they are great shooting bows and I'm sure I'll be testing those claims soon.
Trap
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I believe the 63 was Fred's "Tiger" bow.. Hard not to love a bow with that history.
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good luck with her Lon. I like the looks of her also.
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Besides its radical design and downright homely looks (notice how I avoided the word "ugly"), I was also under the false impression that the 63 Kodiaks were flawed because of the problems associated with the Magnum. I am glad you experts straightened me out.
This bow is such a shooter, it's really tough to put down. Among a few others, I have a couple of 59's and a '65, but this bow is a better performer.
However, my 50# 1962 Kodiak still has it's place at the head of the table.
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Who let the Dogs out??
Maybe we should start a Dog Club.
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f255/migrabill/bows/63Kodiak2.jpg)
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f255/migrabill/bows/63Kodiak6.jpg)
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First I must find my 64 and then maybe the Dogleg.. Nice bow Bill.
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Now there's a club to join? wow you guys are making this really tough :(
Trap
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I sort of like the dogleg kodiaks. Always thought the dogleg grizzlys were a bit fuggly.
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Be nice Jeff,
Just cause my dogleg grizz has jacuzzi green glass, does not mean she's fugly.
Its Shag nasty green, as one 60's throw back might say.
Thats why I thought limb covers were invented.
Kurt
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TRAP
Not referring to your post at all. Just speaking in general. Everyone has his own taste and preference.
Glad some mentionet the problems with the 52 doglegs. These DO NOT apply to the 60" '63 Kodiaks. They are solid shooters that have had held up well over the years.
There are different scools of thought as to what is the best shooting Bear huntion bow. It is pretty much a three way tie between the '59. '63, & '64. There are also those that prefer the '62. I think they are all great shooters and a lot depends on what you have in your stable. For instance, I don't have a '59 or a '63 so naturally my votes go to the Dogleg and the '64.
It is kind of a case of "love the one you're with"
It is my opinion that back in the '60's Bear made more hunting bows in 45# than any other weights. 50# are a lot less availablem 55# even more so, and 60# are almost non existant. I think Papa Bear himself normally shot about a 60# but stepped up to about 70# for the tiger and large bears, No telling what he used for his elephant.
In any case, most hunters shot about 45#.
That;s why there are so many aroung.
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In the other thread I was going to say:
"The wood in that Dogleg was so nice - it gave me a bowner" [sensu CKruse 06-2008]
:D ;)
When the 60# Dogleg was offered I was tempted to jump for it - but thoughts on all the associated mess with shipping and our evil customs etc. etc. let me refuse - not worth it - only to add 3#
So I shall stick with my Dogleg - even when it can not compete - woodwise - with some of those recently shown. It is a good performer and shots really fine - as already mentioned so often by others. One hint to this is for example, that it likes 2317 shafts! I have never meassured actual draw weight on mine. It might be some pounds above the 57# given on the riser?! I will do a FD-curve these days. Wanted to do that anyways. We'll see ...
Applying for a membership,
Falk
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Dogleg_5595_600.jpg)
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Dogleg_5596_600.jpg)
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Dogleg_5589_600.jpg)
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Falk I love the looks of your set up...Here's my 55# Kodiak Dog (finish removed).......This one has been in my collection for like 10 years and is a great shooting bow fast and hard hitting....but I just traded it off last weekend for a Bear green stripe take down with 50# white tip limbs,which is also a great shooting bow....and now you guy's got me thinking I maybe should have thought it over a bit longer....damn-it Jim......bowdoc
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(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/bowdocsarchery/dl001.jpg)
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Nice bow, Doc
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Nice, Bowdoc
Never met a Dogleg I didn't like!
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Falk:
Quiver looks great!
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posted by raghorn:
Falk: Quiver looks great!
Sure Ron, it does - and it certainly has to - as it had cost me a huge amount of money :smileystooges: :saywhat: ;)
After adjusting the arms it is working okay now too! Though, after some shots, it has to be pushed fully back onto the limbs again - sideways. It tends to shift closer to the riser, where it gets in the way of my bow hand. We are talking about a total movement of maybe 1/4in, or so. It's already a habit to squeeze both clamps after shooting a full load of arrows. I doesn't bother me at all!
Thanks again Ron, for this good looking quiver!
:wavey: Falk
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Price reduced on my 63 Kodiak 60#. Check the classifieds. Deal fell through, don't snooze- the auction site is calling! CKruse
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Just thought I'd let you know. The 60# is sold pending receiving funds. I now have a beautiful 43# for sale at a great price in the classifieds. Better get it for your collection! CKruse
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/cdkruse/100_1775.jpg)
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CAMERON
The difference between you and e8ay is that you know what you have, and you know wht it is worth. Many guys on e8ay don't have a clue, so sometimes you can pick up some real bargains. If I boutght the bow from you, I would have to pay a fair price. I don't want to pay a fair price, I want to put the screws to someone.
You never see anyone posting here all proud of the bow they got at a fair price. They brag about the super deal they nailed down. A 60# dogleg in good shape is a rare find, so that would accordingly effect the price. Maybe double what an average shape 45# would go for.
My problem is like a taste for fine wine and a budget for cheap rotgut...iff'n ya know what I mean.
When reading the wine list in a fine restruant I always ask if they have a bottle of "Chateau El Cheapo - vintage last Thursday"...and some crackers of course.
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True Jack, at least to some degree. You won't see a 63 Kodiak on E8bay go for much less than what I'm offering this one for. That's because 600-1500 hits will happen in a week, and there will be some level of competition for it.
Also, buying it on E8bay is a crap shoot to some degree. I won't warranty the bow, but it WILL be what I describe and what's clear in the pictures-no less. You can't always say that's the case on the big auction site. CKruse
PS: I will be showing you some pictures in a few days of one that I paid a fair price for- didn't screw anyone- but got a pretty good deal. CKruse
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"Also, buying it on E8ay is a crap shoot to some degree."
I agree. I call it "buying a pig in a poke". However, every once ion a while you get a good pig. This dogleg that I got for $350.00 is a super fantastic pig. You win some you loose some. If I get more bad deals off e8ay than good dals, I would quit buying there. So far that is not the case.
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The bow was gone in less than 8 hrs. So, I guess it wasn't too bad of a deal! CKruse
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cameron, dump your mail box! I tried to PM you but cound'nt cause your box is full. David S.
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Will do! thanks, CKruse
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That "burly" stuff is fugly, looks like it was left out in the rain or something.
And the design of these "dog" bows are fugly too.... simply a heartbreak waiting to happen.
:bigsmyl:
Although, I'm not heartbroken yet.... especailly when I discovered this evening that the Kodiak I got from Cameron scales at 46 lbs, rather than the 43 marked. Hooray!!
Thanks again Cameron, I'm very happy with the bow. :)
.... from a hopeless sentimental, where 15 years was long enough going without one of these great bows. This is my 2nd Dogleg.
- Dave
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I hope she serves you well. I felt a little goofy for turning that one loose, but it looks like she's found a good home. Really smooth shooting Kodiak. CKruse
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Craigslist has 63 dogleg listed. Picture looks good, 60" -50#, RH for $265...Cincinnati area. He e-mailed his number if anyone would like it
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Jimmy-
It's a 50 pounder..... something tells me it will like you.
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I was already on it, but good luck to all. CKruse
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I'd think twice about teiiling him you like the Bengals, since it was a '63 Dogleg that Papa Bear used to erradicate one.
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I finally did the FD curve of my Dogleg. It pretty much draws the poundage which is given on the bow. About 1# difference, but this is less then I would trust my scale. I actually thought it would scale more then this. Maybe even above 60 pounds - at least it shoots that way.
(http://www.broadheads.de/Bilder/Foren/TradGang/Dogleg_9BT17.gif)
BTW, the graph is done with the nice little prog from TradGangster Chris Snyder :thumbsup:
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Are you sure that SN is right. I though the first digit on a 60" '63 was a "2". I kniow the '64 Kodia is a 2C.
I gues it is kind of a dumb question since I am sure you read the serial number right off of the bow.
Another time I am probably wrong.
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My 60" 1963 Doglegh starts with a "1"
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Jack, Dogleg serials shown just in this thread are, in order:
Blackhawk's 3BG134
Migra Bill's 16BD106
Falk's 9BT17
ckruse's 26BL158
I hope I got that lined up correctly? And yes, I've just read it from the handle :D