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Title: Bad shots
Post by: Cherokee Scout on December 01, 2007, 07:12:00 AM
While on the range recently, we discussed what is the most important element of good shots or what causes the most bad shots.
Is it a bad release, moving the bow hand, not concentrating on the target, etc?
We know all of these are elements, but what do you think causes you to miss the most or make the worst shots?
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Matt E on December 01, 2007, 07:18:00 AM
Most archers haven't properly tuned their bow.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: DEERSLAYER1961 on December 01, 2007, 07:19:00 AM
The pressure you put on yourself to make a good shot.  Pressure Pressure Pressure!!!!!!!  Thats what does it.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Littlefeather on December 01, 2007, 07:23:00 AM
PANIC and the "fear" of missing cause the most misses and bad hits. When the mind gets in the way of the act of shooting-we miss. Your subconscience knows what to do but all to often we clutter the shot with worry of a miss and then we do miss.

Dropped bow arms are the result of trying to see the arrow hit the target before it hits the target. Generally, anyway. CK
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: bentpole on December 01, 2007, 07:27:00 AM
I feel it's a bad release.But you have to burn a hole with yout eyes on that target!
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Sharpster on December 01, 2007, 07:28:00 AM
Droping my bow arm!!!!!   :mad:  

This is one aspect of shooting form that I have not been able to completely conquer. I have to realy concentrate on my bow arm when shooting.

Seems like the instant I release, my bow arm gains about 200 lbs.

Littlefeather, I am talking about target shooting.

-Sharps
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: robtattoo on December 01, 2007, 07:59:00 AM
What causes more bad shots than anything else? The six inches between the ears.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Littlefeather on December 01, 2007, 08:04:00 AM
6"? Pinhead!   :D
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Post by: robtattoo on December 01, 2007, 08:05:00 AM
Pffft! Fathead!  :D  :D
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Buckhorn47 on December 01, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
If one can see an arrow hole in the target and use the centre of that hole as the aiming mark, the arrow will hit that spot. That total concentration aided by proper form makes it happen. What causes the missed shots, the flinch, the bad or premature release or any combination of the variables involved in shooting is not properly seeing that arrow hole in the first place.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: wingnut on December 01, 2007, 08:39:00 AM
Yep when I make a bad shot it's because my head got in the way.  Not the outside but the inside.  If I think too much, well it's "shoot the mountain" time.  If I just react to the practice, the arrow will hit where I look.

Mike
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: ChuckC on December 01, 2007, 09:16:00 AM
not picking a spot.
ChuckC
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Pat B on December 01, 2007, 09:27:00 AM
I think lack of full concentration at crunch time would cover most of the problems discussed above. If you are well practiced, you should not even have to think about the shot...it should just happen.     Pat
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: longbowben on December 01, 2007, 09:31:00 AM
Looking at the hole animal insted of a tiny spot.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Bill Carlsen on December 01, 2007, 09:34:00 AM
I'm with Shapster on this one...bow arm needs to stay put after the shot. On game, it seems that picking a spot would have helped on those that I have missed.....or just more practice from the treestand we have set  up just for that.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: wapiti792 on December 01, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
Oh let's see...having a heart rate of 200, respirations at 60, standing 20 ft up a tree (most) wearing a safety harness, extra clothes, trying to shoot a live animal. That's why. You have to manage all of the things you aren't used to with only the clothing and the height being done in practice. Then it's the bow arm, pick a spot, good anchor, release clean, watch the animal as it leaves to see its reaction. I am amazed when we as bowhunters can keep all that together to execute a good shot!

It's a credit to our little group doing it without "modern" equipment, and it's damn hard controlling it all to put that arrow right where we wanted. We should celebrate the good results more because it is tough to do. Next time you have an animal down think of all the things that had to go right to hold that beast in your hands!
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: TSP on December 01, 2007, 09:42:00 AM
I think you basically answered your own question...poorly-applied form kills the making of a good shot faster than anything.  Target practice like 3-D, blue dots, etc. is basically repetitive form practice but with distractions like talking, goofing off, waiting in line, etc. its easy to not practice good form components on every shot.  Other than that I'd say shot distance.  As in hunting, longer shots invite poorer results, all else equal.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: steadman on December 01, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
On targets it is my bow arm, and my release hand that causes bad shots. But on game it is definitley concentration, trying not to shoot the whole animal as mentioned above. Also the fear of missing. Man no wonder I miss a lot!  :banghead:
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: longbowben on December 01, 2007, 10:28:00 AM
Im with you bud.If it was easy it wouldnt be fun.
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Post by: Big Dave on December 01, 2007, 12:34:00 PM
Droping bow arm and the presure to make a good shot.  :D    :D    :D
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: snag on December 01, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Similar to some of these responses...when I "think" about what to do instead of "allowing" it to happen.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: IB on December 01, 2007, 12:41:00 PM
Positive Brain Waves....Doubt Howard thought much about MISSIN only bout HITTIN  :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: TonyW on December 01, 2007, 12:43:00 PM
Every shot is a perfect shot. Every arrow heads right where I shoot it.
It's about time that we put some of the blame on the target! If the targets would focus as hard as the shooter, they would catch each arrow dead center. My damn targets just sit there and let arrows whiz right past them!
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Mike Bolin on December 01, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
Picking a spot AND CONCENTRATING on that spot all the way through the shot......until the arrows strikes. I have, from time to time, had trouble with what I call peaking. On close in shots, I used to drop my bow arm out of the way so that I could see the arrow hit I guess!? But I have found that if my vision stays concentrated on my spot and my bow arm remains steady, my arrow hits there. It is simple to say, but it at times is very hard to do! Mike
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: snag on December 01, 2007, 02:21:00 PM
So, that's what has been wrong...the targets! Hey, I need better targets! I knew it couldn't be me!   lol
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: ChuckC on December 01, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Mike.... ya gotta be careful about picking a spot and concentrating though.    

For the record...I think that once you get to the point where you shoot "by instinct"...you just do it, very little will change in your technique come crunch time....but boy is it tough to pick a spot,  a tiny spot.

I missed a nice buck a week ago,  from a tree stand...twenty yards, broadside, head turned away from me, looking toward the walker that spooked it up.  I looked up and said "thank you Lord", and proceeded to hit the tree just above him...arrow was sideways !   I couldn't believe it as he ran away.  

After mentally debasing myself, I figured I would try to hit the small stump that was just next to where he was standing, so I grabbed a blunt, looked at the stump, and   ahem.... noticed the small tree (branches, twigs etc)  I had to shoot thru to do what I did.  

Never....never...saw them when I was boring a hole in the deer's side.

Lesson learned.... ( I think)
ChuckC
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Bill Kissner on December 01, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
I would have to agree that not picking a SMALL enough spot is the reason most miss. A close second might be overbowed shooters. At 3D shoots it's not unusual to see guys releasing 4 to 6 inches in front of their face.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Cherokee Scout on December 01, 2007, 04:20:00 PM
Great thoughts, keep them coming.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: Bonebuster on December 01, 2007, 08:23:00 PM
We all know you must pick a spot. Sometimes we don`t.

ANYTHING we do to help our confidence in turn helps our shooting. Anything we do to undermine our confidence hurts our shooting.

I believe for me, that if I have ANY thoughts of the possibility missing, I might as well not shoot so I won`t have to resharpen a head.

Positive thinking. Knowing that my arrows fly perfectly. Knowing that I cannot shoot two broadheads at the same small spot because of certain damage to arrows.

Keeping that creeping thought of a miss from being ANYWHERE in my head, is my key.
Title: Re: Bad shots
Post by: jimneye on December 01, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
My biggest nemisis in the beginning was not bending at the waist when shooting from an elevated possition (tree stand) and always hitting high.