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Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: Terry Green on May 27, 2008, 10:39:00 PM
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Thanks to Tom Mussatto for compressing this clip for easy download.
I'd also like to add that I center punched the shoulder MUCLE...not the shoulder bone. The lungs were behind the shield where I hit and not bone. This shows just how far forward you can shoot a hog and go straight to the vitals boneless....if you got enough bow or the right broadhead to get through the shield.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar10.jpg)
Here's a pic of the shield and you can plainly see it and all its battle scars from taking jabs from other boar's tusks...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar6.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboarbattlescars2.jpg)
Not all hogs have shields this thick(2 inches), but they are noticeable when they get this big, so this might be good to know before you shoot if you see some saddle bags hanging off of one. Turn your volume up....
CLICK HERE FOR THICK SHIELD AND SHOT PLACEMENT INFO (http://www.tradgang.com/videos/tg/hog1.wmv)
This is another hog I shot with Ray Hammond a couple of years ago...
This might be a great opportunity to show some shot placement photos. Ray and I discussed this on the way back, and by showing these pics someone may save themselves some grief. It shows just how forward you can shoot a hog because of the front end bone structure.
Remember, this 300#er only ran 30 yards, and this shot did get both lungs and the heart......Note the forward exit wound and this was from a 60# longbow and a Zwickey Delta 4 blade.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/sc20.jpg)
This pic reveals that 'Bride of Horse Tail' was slightly quartering away. It also shows how far forward it exited without hitting any bone. This picture however is deceiving on how low on the body the shot placement was.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement2.jpg)
This pic shows the true elevation on the body...and makes the shot 'low and tight'.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement3.jpg)
Here is the exit wound from a Delta 4 blade. You can see how far forward the exit was and no bone was contacted.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement.jpg)
Results of the Shot....(Thanks to Ray Hammond for pulling this out of the gut bucket for me, I was too busy trying to get 3 hogs skint and quartered up that day)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/bhth1.jpg)
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nice job, Terry!!! Great shooting, as usual.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/rayhammond123/feralhog1.jpg)
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dang thats nuts, what bw setup did u use to take it terry?
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Great info. You always hear about the shoulder armor on hogs but until you see it, it is hard to understand just how thick they are.
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Thanks Terry,
I didn't know that shield was that hard! I guess I better step it up if I want to get through that on a big hog.
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Thanks for the video!
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It was a 70# Thunderstick MOAB - and an Ace Super Express.
(http://www.bowsite2.com/aceshopping/images/ITEMS/Super-Express-175.jpg)
Yep, the guy had petrified catcher's mitts as saddle bags.
Here's another Heart Shot - Big Shielded Hog I passed through with a Zwickey 4 Blade head...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar3.jpg)
This was the entrance....take in mind the boar's front leg is forward...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/martyboarshotcloseup.jpg)
It exited the off arm pit and passed through here on the way out...
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar5.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/Martyboar6.jpg)
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Thanks for the tutorial Terry, for people like me with no experience with hogs, it's very valuable info.
Paul.
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:clapper: :clapper: Well done terry
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No problem guys....that's what this place is here for.
That Ace is not really correct in image....its a bit longer more spear point shaped. That pic came off their website...I'll try and get a better one.
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Terry...thanks for the video. Hogs (or hawgs as we say below Macon), have been my nemesis til this year. i finally took my first & second so far since January. My problem had been that subconsciously i couldn't make myself shoot that far forward. Until i get a few more under my belt, i'm still not comfortable shooting them unless they have at least a slight quartering angle.
That was awesome!
Randy
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good stuff thanks for posting it
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Now that's a shield! Very cool little video Terry.
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Do all hogs have a shield that hard?
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Great video, thanks for sharing Terry
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Thanks for the video. Nice info.
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Cool vid and pin point shooting as usual Terry.
Its hard to make oneself shoot right above the hog's leg on the body, seems like the bone will be there, but its not. The leg bone elbows forward and then back at the scapula. As Nicki Roth told me in Florida, "Everything behind the head is guts." Shoot right through that above the leg point or to pass between the legs on a quartering away shot. The heart lays right on the bottom of the chest you can't shoot too low.
Stone Knife, only the larger boars have a shield that heavy, but younger ones will have some thickening.
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neat video
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I think I need a bigger bow :bigsmyl:
Cool Video, Terry. Thanks for sharing!!
David
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Thanks Terry thats good info! I have a hog hunt with Ray next month and am researching everything I can on how to hunt and where to shoot a hog. This was a very instructive video.
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Great hog Terry! That shield really is unbelievable till you see it for yourself. That big hog I shot last night of Sweat had a shield 1/2" thick. The weight of the shield pulled the skin off as we skinned it. Once we had the shields off we layed them out and it was all anyone of us could do to drive a knife through that shield. I wish we would have had more time to let some of the guys shoot at shields with lighter poundage bows. I was using a 75# Morrison with 640gr arrows and only got 10" of penetration at 15 ft.Hit was directly behind shoulder and took out both lungs.
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The shield on that boar was nearly 2 inches thick where I hit him.
Seen shields before, but this one was VERY visible from over 50 yards way on the hoof.
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Here's a better pic of the ACE...sorry it took me so long....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/ace1.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/ace2.jpg)
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ive also seen them with shields that are very defined. im nobody but i always try to get a slight quartering away shot and in the arm pit. i have never wounded one that way with a 45# recurve. like i said i aint no expert it just has made me more successful and kept me off the thick stuff.
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Nice penetration. I always aim just behind their "elbow".......
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:campfire:
Thanks for sharing. Very informative..........
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
Hawgslayer
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TTT for the guy going on his 1st hog hunt.
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Thanks Terry, some great info/evidence. I must have missed this on the first go-round.
Eric
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Cool pics and video. Its rare a fella shoots to far forward on a hog.I shoot light poundage bows and aim for the pocket and forward.On small pigs I try to shoot through low shoulder.RC
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Good example for Heavy Broadhead!!!!!!! :)
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This is the type of information that can make the difference between success or failure.
Great thread.
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A couple of the best anatomy pix I've ever seen...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Guru39/anatomy%20pix/heartlunghog.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Guru39/anatomy%20pix/cavityhog.jpg)
You can really see how low the spine runs thru the shoulder area. Also how low, forward, and small the lungs are.
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WOW Curt, killed my share of hogs, never looked at them like this though! Thanks for the detailed pix!!! Learn something everyday.-Bill
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Thanks for sharing this info. I am hunting with 7th Age the first weekend in May and this has been some great info.
Paul
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TTT
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When the economy pics up I plan on doing a hog hunt thank you for the great info.
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yep, that is the spot to shoot them
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nice i cant wait to go hog hunting this summer
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awesome info - now I just need to get somewhere where they have'em.
jer Bear
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:notworthy:
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Thanks for posting the vitals.
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Guru, is that black mass in the first picture the lungs or just blood?
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It's the traumatized front of the near lung....
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I hope to make good on some hogs at Rays place in a couple of weeks. This thread has been very helpful and I try to study up on something that I haven't hunted before. Thanks Terry and Curt for being so informative. :readit:
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here s a pic of a boar skelton I found a few years back.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/aussiehunter1964/IMGA0159.jpg)
and he s a pic of thickness of their fighting pad.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c87/aussiehunter1964/PA200060.jpg)
good hunting
pat
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Great info! I had no idea the plate was that tough!
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What does everyone think u the magnus stinger for hogs? I had a buddy just get back from texas on a hog/javi hunt. He shot 2 javi's and bent 2 stinger heads. 1 blade and 1 ferrule. Its got me a little worried now. I have a hog hunt scheduled for early may at shilo.
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Sweet shot!!!
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Terry, didn't you pass through another large shielded boar with a 4 blade? Would you please post pics?
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Yeah...O'l BlockHead....let me see what I can dig up.
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Thanks Terry, great post...♠
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Nice work Terry. Appreciate the video tip as well. Someday this info will come in handy when I get to hunt hogs in the future. :thumbsup:
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OK....I've added pics to my original post...AND to the 2nd post I made adding another hog for reference. All added photos are on the 1st page.
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Terry do you think a 3 blade like the vpa terminator coming of a 55 pound bow will pass through a heavily shielded boar?
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i'll be the first to say i'm no hog expert to say the least. from what i have gathered on here and talking to guys that shoot a lot of hogs a pass through is very rare on large boars with thick shield's. i do think you would get enough penetration to make some sausage!
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I don't know for sure James....I haven't killed any big shielded hogs with a 55# bow. My kills on the two biggest shielded boars were with a 67# A&H ACS and a 70# MOAB marked those weights at 28"s and I draw about 27.5. Both of those boars were passed through with 4 blades though.
I have passed through several nice size hogs with WW Originals and a 64# bow...but no large shielded ones.
I would recommend IF you are going to use VPAs, use the ones that are the width of the WW originals and that they are SHARP. My best guess is that you are not going to pass through. AND, the bigger the boar/thicker the shield, the more penetration you are going to need to get into that 2nd lung for a quick kill
That is based on the info you gave me....so, let me ask for more....
What is your arrow weight?
What is your true draw length?
What model of bow are you shooting?
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I am shooting a tomahawk diamond series longbow pulling 28" with a 620 grain arrow flying about 170 fps
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That is a very formidable projectile!!!
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Originally posted by JamesKerr:
Terry do you think a 3 blade like the vpa terminator coming of a 55 pound bow will pass through a heavily shielded boar?
I've not used the terminator. I use right now strictly Snuffers, but now that I've heard that they are "histoire", I looked to the Terminator as an alternative head. I've killed sheep and pigs with MA3's in the past and the very first pig I ever saw killed with a Snuffer was from a friend to whom I gave a few snuffers to try. That very Saturday....
Back to the Terminator... It is an awful lot like a 3:1 MA3 or Bodkin... and if Snuffers are truly gone, that is the first head I'm trying.
I've always used for hunting, bows of 60# or more but everything matters, shot placement, angle, etc... the "Puna" as we call it here in Hawaii, is NO CAPE BUFFALO! Thick, gristled, and intimedating to be sure, but the energy of the arrow, the design, why I like the idea of the terminator, is what matters. 55# in MY OPINION would handle any basic pig... get into the truly huge pigs and I can personally tell you that I've not shot cuz onetime I was intimidated :scared: .... that was also with a 60# Browning takedown.
Much Aloha.... :cool: :archer2: