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Main Boards => Dangerous Game => Topic started by: talltines on December 10, 2007, 01:53:00 PM
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Hey guys. I have a grizz hunt booked for this May in Alaska and was wandering what recommendations some of you might have for this type of hunt. I will most likely be shooting a 60# recurve with axis 400 shafts and woodsman heads with 100 grain inserts. Any good grizz bowhunting videos out there? Suggestions or shared exeperiences are greatly appreciated.
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i dont think i would use woodsmans although they do not have as much fat in the spring, i would try to make shure that my head was tough enough for a large moose, you are going to want a exit wound, i cant say i have done it but i have known a few that have, one was using a 70# bob lee curve with carbon shafts and zwickey heads he killed a large one, he did not get a passthrough and did not hit a shoulder. he said it was pretty scary the bear became irate foaming and woofing but he wouldnt leave his kill, but he was looking for what bit him it took over 10 miniutes to die. im shure your pulling plenty of weight im suprised you are not under spined with that much weight upfront.
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Bryan Martin of Canadian Mountain Outfitters in BC sent me a promotional DVD this year with some grizzly hunts on it. There are a couple of grizzlies taken with traditional equipment on the video.
Although I had a couple of close calls while hunting Brown bears in Alaska I never actually got a shot. Quite an exciting hunt to say the least. Good luck!
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Jason--the shafts may end up being under spined. My bow is being shipped as we type. That shaft has seemed to shoot well for me out of a variety of bows and weights, but I very well may have to lighten the tip weight a bit. We will see. I was wandering as well about the woodsmans. Possibly a 2 blade STOS or zwickey would be a better choice?
Jack--I'll shoot Bryan an e-mail and see if I can get one of those videos. I think Pat L. hunted with him a few years back.
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Brian,
Your right, Pat hunted with Bryan Martin and that hunt is on the DVD as well. You might also ask Fred Eichler what his set up was. I hunted with the same outfitter in Alaska he used to take his Brown bear. He normally shoots 53# but I think he might have stepped up a bit in poundage on his grizzly and Brown bear hunts.
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Fred told me he jumped up to 57# his grizz, brown and polar bears. He shot the AXIS and phantoms.
Dave
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Looks like I will be shooting a 340 beman mfx classic out of a 60# dalaa. jrchambers was right, the 400's ended up being a little weak with that heavier head. I am still up in the air as to the broadhead, but I am still leaning towards the woodsman. It performed well for me in Africa and on several species here. I have been told that they are fairly thin skinned and that a good deer/elk set up will work fine. Anyone else?
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The outfitter I hunted brown bears with in Alaska said exactly the same thing. That they were thin skinned and any reasonable arrow and bow combination would be fine. He is the same outfitter that Fred Eichler hunted with and has taken several bears with a bow himself.
Dave, a friend of mine said Fred told him he jumped up to 57# pounds but still only pulled 53#. Once he pulls back and hits that weight the arrow is gone.
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Jack...Who was the outfitter that Fred and you hunted with?
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Brian,
Sorry for the delay I haven't checked this thread in a while.
I hunted brown bears in the fall of 05 with Braun Kopsack. Fred hunted with Braun earlier that spring. Neither of us got a bear that year. I had two within twenty-five yards but never got the shot angle I needed. Fred told me he missed one but returned the following year and scored. I think he had a segment of his hunt on his TV show but I have never seen it.
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On his grizzly, Tred Barta put a Woodsman right in the pocket and the arrow just disappeared and I don't think the bear went too far. I don't plan on trying for a griz, but a 190 Grizzly head would be high on my list of choices, esp if I was looking for point weight. Have a great hunt, man. :archer:
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Im not sure if I would use the woodsmans, but tred barta uses em on evertthing so that sould be a good setup. if not try the stos 160s thats what I use and they seem work great.
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I ended up using a 61# self made recurve and killed a grizz at 8 yards with a beman mfx 400 and a woodsman head w/ 100 grain insert. Complete pass thru.
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how bout some pic's
doug77
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congrats, Brian
We need a full story!
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Brian,
Congratulations! Awesome job! Must of been exciting!
There must be more to the story. How about a recap?
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Guys, I saw 11 bears in 3 days of hunting on a 12 day hunt. The Brooks Range is an awesome place. I saw tons of game including sheep, moose, wolf, caribou, and grizz. I have the story being printed in the upcoming Oct./Nov. issue of Bow and Arrow Hunting magazine. Maybe Jack can post a pic for me.
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Brian's Grizzly. Now we need the story!
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/bowjack/grizz.jpg)
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sweet!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
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plan for the worst! only make a perfect shot broadside. If it were me i'd want 190 grizz broadhead razer sharp with 800 grains of arrow. AND a partner packing a BIG GUN.I want it dead, dead, dead, if i am going to poke it. If i was using a gun, i would want a 300 weatherby magnum or Remington 300 ultra magnum minimum! Reports of bullets bouncing off their skulls have been reported and shots through the heart do not necessarily stop them. Rifle shooters hit them in the shoulder so they cant run, then shoot till dead. One swipe of their paw can rip your entire head right off. If it sees you once you anger it (shot through heart) you are in trouble.
I don't care what anyone else says.
R
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one other point,
they love to eat german tourists in BC. I don't understand why anyone would go hiking into the woods of BC in the spring without a big gun. I wish the politicians would and all the anti-gun city people would also.
The bears are hungry and anything that moves is food.
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Belated congratulations to you, Brian!
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congrats mate awesome!
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Congratulations!!!! I hope to do that someday. That a way to make good on an opportunity! Congrats again!!
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Nic ebear Brian...I love the blonde ones too...tee hee
Jer Bear
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Fred Eichler only used a 54# bow on a grizz and had a complete passthrough. I think he used a 3-blade as well but dont hold me to that part.
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iv used the snuffers on all 8 black bears i killed iv tryed twices for kodiak didnt score and each time i used the 165 snuffer on a 65 lb yew long bow my reasoning is i love the woodsman but the orignal sunnfer leaves a bigger hole ! good luck when ya go brock
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Fred normally shoots 54# but did use a 57# Palmer on his big bear hunts and he hits full draw with whatever bow he is shooting. He shot the grizzly with Axis arrows, 100gr inserts and 125gr 4bl Phantoms and both shots zipped thru the bear and beyond! Mark
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On my grizzley, I used a 70# recurve and Zwikey 125 gr. Eskimo BH. I shot him at 20 yds. and blew all the way through. A little advice, don't shoot them when they are looking at you or your direction. I waited until it turned broadside ( was shaking from holding so long). The bear ran back on me to about 10 yrs. but I was uphill some. It turned and went another 20yds and piled up. They are so fast that I did not have time to reach for another arrow in my quiver. It was exciting - crawled up on the bear for 100 yds. as flat as I could as there were no trees bushes or rocks to hide behind. I think a good 2 blade broadhead is still the very best. Just put it where it needs to go. I kept my shot a little low and took out the heart.
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can you share the pics?
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I knew that the woodsman would do, I have had pass throughs on elk,mulies,hogs,and black bears. I used the grizzly on bison, and I have the arrow with a bent broadhead for a conversation piece.
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I don't mean to jump into your thread and discuss arrow/broadhead issues, but I figure I'll throw a word in or two.
I used a snuffer for a griz and I don't think I would do it again. I also used a woodsmen on a Kodiak and had a lot better penetration. I shoot a 63# bow. I would use the woodsmen with my weight and set up for griz, but if I was shooting a lighter bow.... I don't know what I would use? Best of luck with your video search and hunt.