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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: highpoint forge on November 15, 2009, 10:52:00 PM
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Be kind please here guys...What concerns me is the dropping of my hand at release. I'm shooting at about 20 paces and can put most of my arrows into a small paper plate....Sorry about the wife's commentary on the puppy running around!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_pQdk1cQw0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBtbLYi4W24
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I am nobody but I watched it once and thought it looked good. I did not notice you dropping your bow arm. I would say if you are getting to full draw every single time you are doing great. I usually like to have my left foot forward a little of my right foot, maybe you are doing that I only got to look at the video once. You could maybe increase your draw length by standing up a little more but if you shoot good like you are I would leave it alone. You may get more comments on the shooters forum. Good luck bud.
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Personally i saw one plucked string, im not seeing a lot of dropping your arm but i am seeing a bobble or two as you get to full draw, hold, let down about an inch, bring it back and release.
The crouched stance is ok - and good to practice for hunting, but you might find your draw shorter. Im not a fan of the open stance with the feet - in a hunting situation your not always gonna be able to line your toes up to the target and present the target as if your shooting for points. Your stance seems to work for you. I am not seeing follow through on your release that is your drawing hand coming back. Think of it as tension and then release the hand comes back slightly. Its used in target shooting, i taught it for years. BUT again, if you hitting a 6" cirle at 20 yards consistantly - the style your using is working for you - don't change it.
Over all i would say good form, decent drawing and shooting :)
Dave
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Looks good to me too. I did see you kinda double clutch at anchor on the first arrow of the first video and you stand differently than I do but it seems to work for you. If I were you, I might try practicing with my feet in different positions besides pointing straight to the target. It's good that you can shoot that way, but I think that standing closer to 45 or 90 degrees to the target is more natural. Your bow arm looks good and you are nicely in line from your right elbow through the point of the arrow. Follow through looks good too.
That bow is nice and quiet too. You must have it tuned pretty well.
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If it's just Bowhunting under 20y and you can hit what you aim at most of the time then that shooting style will be Ok for you. Siegeworks is thinking 6" groups at 20 yards, I don't believe it's possible and I would be interested to know your score on a 300 round as I doubt very much you would even reach a respectable 200, shooting an indoor 300 round would tell you much better than any of us if your shooting is accurate\\consistent, it's always a good benchmark, shooting a couple of arrows at a paper plate tells you and us nothing.
The question was 'Hows my form' if you want to know if it's good form then the answer is NO because beyond 20y you wont hit much at all that way but you never said what your shooting goals were. If you want to improve your form you could start with a lot more work on your Release and follow through.
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OK, please tell me about the aspects I should change upon release and my follow through.
I am solely shooting at 25 yards and under, only hunting animals and not for score, indoors, or in competition.
And yes I can hit that plate just about every time. I don't take shots over 25 yds.
Thanks for your willingness to comment.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCTVNL1PghE
This is the kind of Release and follow through you're looking for, what youre doing at the moment is coming to anchor and just releasing(hand comes away from face and not backwards), what you need to be doing in increasing back pressure till the release just happens, it should give you more consistent and accurate shots.
Release doesn't have to be quite so dynamic as the video and the stance is more target style, I shoot IFAA and can pretty much keep pie plate groups out to 50 yards with this form.
I hope no offence given by my comments just trying to give you the truth.
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Is this your go to stance? IMO, this type of stance could certainly have to be done in a hunting situation, however, you should try to have your basic stance (one that is easily replicated) and then practice variations of it once your fully comfortable in your shooting.
As far as the release, I would recommend thinking of it in terms of follow though and not as a seperate step. While at full draw transfer all tension that is still in the hand and forarm to the back. Concentrate on maintaining back tension for at 3 seconds after the shot (at least at first). Back tension should not be relaxed at the point of the release (very common). Don't worry too much about where the hand ends up. The elbow should not drop too much however.
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Back tension is hard to describe. It's something that really needs to be demonstrated. A form master would be really good for this.
Another (free) way is to have your draw hand and elbow come up as if you were at anchor. Have someone stand behind you and push hard on your draw elbow while you push hard on their hand. You should feel the lower traps and rhomboid go crazy. The scapula should feel like it's going to pop right out. The trick is to do this with a string and completely relax your biceps.
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Hey Zeta we have the same haircut!
Thanks for the video and no offense whatsoever was taken. How's Tallinn these days?
I will upload these videos to HD Youtube next so the picture will be as sharp as the original.
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Originally posted by highpoint forge:
Hey Zeta we have the same haircut!
Thanks for the video and no offense whatsoever was taken. How's Tallinn these days?
I will upload these videos to HD Youtube next so the picture will be as sharp as the original.
The haircut makes my arrows fly faster ;-)
Tallinn is cold, well cold for an Englishman living in an icebox as my Miami buddy call it. lol
As you have access to a video camera try this free software, get up close like in my video clip and film yourself, with the software you can slow it right down and even add tracking dots frame by frame on release hand to see that back pressure is working correctly, you can really make huge improvements in your form by correcting all those little errors you cant see with the naked eye.
www.kinovea.org/en/ (http://www.kinovea.org/en/)
good luck and never stop trying to improve yourself. :archer:
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Will do and thanks, and I'll keep up the form work. Your video is awesome for demonstrating your follow through description.
Thanks!