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Main Boards => The Shooters FORM Board => Topic started by: killinstuff on March 01, 2008, 06:54:00 AM
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When you hit the 3-D range, what's a good score for you? Lets say the targets are 30 yards and less, first arrow counts, no do overs. Honest score.
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300 points total????? About 180-200..
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300 points total, shooting the bow you hunt with.
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anything over 230
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If the perfect score is 300 I'm shootin about 180-200.... Check out www.dixiebowmen.org (http://www.dixiebowmen.org) they post the scores from there traditional shoots there. It'll give you a good Idea of what folks really shoot.
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8's or better average - with hunting equipment.
9's if tweaked more for target.
Steve
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If I finish the course with the same amount of arrows I started with, I consider that a good score. :bigsmyl: Seriously, I think an average of 8 points per target would be a very good score for me.
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Fellas he's talking about trad equipment not compounds or sights..LOL :biglaugh:
Out of the 240 and 250 scores how many of those gap shoot and how many instinctive? (Not lQQking to hijack or a discussion that noone can shoot instinctively.)
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our local trad shoots are NO gap shooting I shoot subconcious aiming ..out of 50 3d's the best was a 419..I shot a 370 and had missed 4, all were unknown distances and I did loose 1 hahahaha
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I, shoot instinctive, and avreage 220 - 230 on a good day, and 200 - 220 sometimes less, on a NOT so good day with my hunting setup. Been at it for 37 years now.
Mike
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Any time I'm better than the time before I'm happy.My first time was about 140. Now I'm not happy with anything under 250.
Longstick,...How do you know if someone is gap shooting? What is the possible score where you shoot? Personally I think a club saying no gap shooting is like saying,"you can shoot with us as long as you don't do anything that causes you to shoot better than we do." No offence intended.
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How do you know they are gap shooting.?
I get the no elevated rest thing around here, {Did'nt Paul Schafer shoot one?} lol
65@29 MAll, elevated single wire cavalier,black cushion plunger, three under.
I shoot for the 2/3 mark, 200-225
{Rinehart scores African Range, 50 targets a day}
Todd Hadlock 433
Evan Cook 406
Brian Mooris 363
Joe Tabor 344
Bryan Cook 326
Bill Configliacco 299
Eric Treutel 292
{Rineheart North American, 50 targets a day}
Eric Treutel 402
Evan Cook 401
Todd Hadlock 395
Bryan Cook 347
Brian Mooris 343
Joe Tabor 328
Bart Hadlock 284
500 points a day possible
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On a 3d course, I consider it a good round if have 6 of the 8 arrows I started with, if at least once we have a good fall down laugh about something, if the conversation while we wait for the target to clear is cordial and fun, and if no one gets frustrated or depressed while going through the round. I like the shoot till you drop and no one keeps score shoots.
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Out of the 240 and 250 scores how many of those gap shoot and how many instinctive? (Not lQQking to hijack or a discussion that noone can shoot instinctively.)
I shoot the same method hunting as 3d.
I too am interested in how a club enforces "no gap".
Steve
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Well I was just wondering. I've shot in the 250's but mostly shoot 210 to 240. I run into guys that say they shoot 250 and better but when I see them at a target they are behind it looking for an arrow. Must be someone elses they are trying to find. Whatever. Also, it seems to me the "X" is a bit higher on all targets then I would shoot for on an animal for the perfect kill. I like a low shot on game because the heavy bones are a little high but 3-D is just a game after all
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I might add that I shoot a straight long bow, 60#'s, wood arrows and off the shelf for what it's worth
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I would guess I average 200. My goal is to bring it up to 240. Last year was my first year of more than 2 shoots. I got alot more comfortable. I always seem to have a mental lapse and miss a target or two then get on a run of 5's. I did have one round with no misses! I was great!
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We shoot 20 targets, two shots each target from different stakes at our regular monthly shoots. Recurve, longbow and primitive divisions. Most of our shots are shot thru brush and vines or some other hard setup.At todays shoot there was a 300 shot with primitive and a 383 shot with recurve. Very good scores. Personally I shot an 257 in longbow and was satisfied with it.
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With 10,8,5 scoring it takes an average of over 9 pts per target to win or place high, here in the south.
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I shot a 234 out of 300 today at the Traditional Bowhunters Of Arkansas shoot today. Thats an average of 7.8 per arrow. I was not able to stick around for the results to be posted so I don't know where I placed. Last year in the state championship trad shoot I shot 380 out of 500 for an average of 7.6 pts per shot. Last year I placed 15th out of about 35. So in my estimation 7.5-7.8 pts per shot is about middle of the pack.
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80 percent or higher will win you the prize. If they are shooting gap good for them because they found something that works for them.
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That is the problem I have, once I started secondary aiming, i couldn't stop. The arrow is right there in front of me, it is impossible for me not to use it as a reference. To many rules that I don't understand. All our rendezvous are two day shoots for some it is hard to attend both days. Next time I think i will keep score to see what my average shot is worth, but if there is a gap shooting rule i will keep my score to myself.
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is this common for there to be a rule against gap shooting? And if so how on earth is it enforced?
Mark
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Instintive or gap whats the big fuss? I shoot instintive and shot with some friends that shoot gap whoever is on that day takes it. We shot close enof scores that 1 shot can make a differance. 31/2 years ago I got hurt and had to lay down my Longbows. I just pickem back up 2 month ago and what bothers me is Center and Past Center cut bows with carbon arrows shooting Longbow class. Traditional Longbow class sure dont seam Traditional anymore.
Just my 2 cents worth for what it matters.
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I'm with "laddy"...if I still have all 6 arrows that I started with, its a
perfect round!!!! :)
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Out of 30 targets I'd say not loosing or breaking more than 2 arrows is a great score. I don't care much about scoring a 3D round I prefer to use each target as hunting shot practice. If you take hunting shots your scores will be lower than if you are shooting for score.
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I have only shot 1 3d round , I shot a 130 and took out the meat tray (prize on the day ) for the trad shooters .
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I usually average around 8.5 points per target, on a good day I'll go over 9.
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I averaged 200 for 30 targets last year but would always loose my head and sling one (or maybe two). I'm shooting much better this year but haven't been keeping score. I will as the season gets older. I've been shooting with some of the Old guys from Tradgang(you know who you are) and they've helped me a bunch. DAVE
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Originally posted by R H Clark:
Any time I'm better than the time before I'm happy.
That is what I was thinking, just go against yourself.
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As we say at our club " foam is friendly ".
The mid 200's is a good score.
My all time best score was a 314 at a 3d shoot.
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I shoot between 220-250 I like to average 8 on each target. but some of the guys I shoot with it takes 9 or better to win.
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If the scoring is 10, 8, 5 a 9.5 average would be world class, 8 average would great shooting, 7 very good, 6 good, 5 average IMO.
8 average = dead game on every shot, on average...
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Most of the shoots around are 5 8 10 12 and 30 targets. I should have put that in. you can go to ShootArchery.com and see some of the scores.
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Originally posted by Cecil:
Most of the shoots around are 5 8 10 12 and 30 targets. I should have put that in. you can go to ShootArchery.com and see some of the scores.
This is how we score our weekly league, and this year I am shooting really well with an average of 283.
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On a 20 target range, I try to at least average 9's if I shoot an average of 8's Ive had an below average day. A score of 160-170 is typically average, to win anywhere I shoot you'd better be shooting 180 or better to place or win and these aren't world class shooters either just good ol boys that'll put it on ya.
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We dont allow instinctive shooting at our club.......too many lost arrows. Most of our best shooters shoot in the 180s out of a possible 240 score on 3-D targets.
Oh by the way we really dont have any silly rules like the one above. Just funnin with you fellas!!
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I figure if you get what ever adds up to all vitals that is a good score. 10-8-5 scoring 30 targets a 240 is good. The next level is acually putting all the arrows in the vitals. But this can also be altered by the course layout. Everyone is different. Now do not get me wrong I never once said that I have achived this on a regular basis. But it is something to strive for.
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Sorry, but I agree with a acouple posts, read what guys actually shoot and than read these posts withthat in mind. The guys who shoot for world titles are lucky to average 9 and averaging 8 is very, very good. I get a kick out of these threads. I have shot quite a few 3Ds where 300(10-8-5) is best and out of 100 guys you are lucky a few hit 240, now if all the shots are under 25 yards that will go up quite a bit but still not over 20%. I am not being argumentative just stating what I see at shoots. Shawn
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You gotta remember, shooting for a world title is a totaly different ballgame and everyones scores drop dowm a bit under the tremdous pressure....the first timers, as well as the contenders. I travel nationally quite a bit, and its rare to see the winners shooting less than 90%.
Heres the results for a state championship in 07 held the same weekend as the IBO world. 25 targets..10,8 and 5 scoring
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/shooto8s/07.jpg)
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I haven't shot one in about three years, at least. I think the last one I shot I ended up with something around 220-230? There is a guy named Connie Smith who shoots gap from the compound stakes, and he will often shoot 280's from there. He does not do nearly as well on short targets, due to his gap. I've not seen anyone shoot 250 instinctive. Paul.
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Here is the top four guys in our trad league. Granted our indoor 3D range is 30 yards and less.
S.Paul Traditional Only 1 289 301 279 292 284
T.Tony Traditional Only 2 283 288 288 286 281 284 283 272
B Daryl Traditional Only 3 268 257 273 271 287 250 285 255
H. Tom Traditional Only 4 267 246 281 266 272 271
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I just shot a 3d round at a local indoor range. It is mostly set up for compounds so I didn't shoot from the official spots but I figure my average shot was about 20 yards. I did a 218 with 11 10 8 5 scoring (one zero). For my first time shooting 3d I thought that wasn't half bad.
Mark
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Most of the local shoots around here also score center 12's. With that in mind, on a 30-target course, it will usually take a 270+ to win. But then again, that all depends on the course. I remember a 30-target MAC qualifier 3D in Janesville, WI back in 2003 where the furthest target was an elk around 20 yards. The top two recurve scores were 312 and 304.
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i,m curious does traditional shoot at the same stakes as compounds, I shot only my second one today and shot the same stakes as compounds some shots were in the 50 yard range. I felt bad shooting 275.
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Type error 175 instead of 275 sorry for the mistake, I wish I could shoot 275 from compound distance with 20 mile an hour wind.
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The bad thing about 3-D is that you can't really compare one shoot to another. There are way to many variables out there on the courses.
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250+ on a good day. 240 on an average day
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Courses differ. The only good way to find out if your score is good to is to compare it to what top shooters shot on that same course.
Once you have enough experience shooting 3D you can usually guess what score its going to take to be in the top after you have shot the course.
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If you can take your total score and divide by the total number of targets and come up with the number that represents any of the vital rings, than that is a good score. Most 3D shoots that I have shot in have the scoring rings as follows 8, 10, 12 and 5 for a body shot. Exmaple if you shot a score of 285 for 30 targets your average target score is a 9.5. Meaning you averaged mostly vital shots, if your average target score was lower than a 8 (total score of 230 or less) your shooting needs some work.
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the 3 No's
No lost arrows
no broken arrows
no missed targets
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when I return with all my arrows. I only average 190, but........i don't care so much for score. I look for a "Kill" shot on every target. I don't care where teh score rings are since some of the targets are quartering, elevated, below me, etc.... I just try to hit it as if it were a live animal and take whatever score the rings give me.
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At this years Alabama state shoot it took 90% to place in recurve class.
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I think anything over 250 is very good. Anything over 260 is outstanding and anything over 270 is world class shooting on 3D.
If you average over 240 in your 3D shoots, you're going to be the local club shooting expert and may be able to hold your own at the IBO triple crown shoots on good days.
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Lately I have been averaging about 240. I think anything over 240 is good, 250 very good, and 260 (which I haven't done yet) is excellent.
My personal best is a 40 target 3d shoot where I shot a 347/400.
Mark
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We have several shooters at our Club that regualrly shoot in the 270s and higher. It seems that some people are simply not interested in shooting in National Competitions. Too stressful, I guess.
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Cost of travel and other expenses often play into those decisions to attend National level competitions also ;)
Ray ;)
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On a 30 target course I average 220 to 230, on a 35 target range 250 to 265.
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If I can average 9 or more points per target...I feel I've had a good day.
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Very True Ray. Especially with the high gas prices and the poor economy. I think that people may be staying closer to home this year.
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WHAT IS GAP SHOOTING
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WHAT IS GAP SHOOTING?FOR THAT MATTER HOW CAN YOU ADJUST BRACE HEIGHT?
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targets at 30 or less i will shoot between 80 to 85% of total score
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9 or better is my goal. Around here, that's usually what it takes to place.
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Since most shoots score differently I normally use percentage not score to grade myself. If perfect is 300 then 70% is 210. If 400 is perfect 280 is 70%. I find that if you are going to compete for awards you need to be in the 85%+ range with traditional equipment. You might not win but you'll be in the hunt at most shoots. Unfortunatly I'm normally between 65% and 70%. Don't win but have a great time competing against myself. :banghead: