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I just learned that Iowa's nonresident hunting license is over $400, for deer !  :scared:  

That's crazy, you can hunt elk for that, at least the license fee.  I suppose they want to keep people out of there because Iowa's is popular with big deer, but then Kansas is also popular place for big deer, is their license also that high ?


Carl

Yes it is.  Just got back from a week of hunting in Western KS.  It was hot and nothing was very "rutty".  Not sure that a word.  Going to try again next weekend.  Yeah KS NR Deer tags cost about $400 total and you only get to hunt a couple units.  Next year may be better.  They have a lot of changes proposed.  Dropping the cost is not one of them.

Wow.  I hunted Iowa about 10 years ago for $110 I think.

Yep, I use to hunt in Iowa too.It's "Grow'em big and they will come (pay)".I wish they would sell a $100.00 non-resident archery doe tag for us meat hunters .But it's their game ,their rules.  Leland

Iowa does have a doe only cheaper tag but it is only good during holiday breaks at Thankgiving and Chirstmas.

All of that big buck mindset creates issues like that.  It doesn't take long for it to ruin hunting experiences for the average person.  Guys will pay big bucks for big bucks, just to show they are special in some way.  When your whole midset is on rack measuring something is missing.  To each his own I suppose.

Tell me about it. I live in Kansas, a my friend lives in Missouri. I live 5 minutes from the border and he lives 20 minutes. For us to hunt together one of us is going to have to take the hit. It is alot cheaper for me to hunt MO then for him to hunt KS, but still it sucks we live 25 minutes apart and have to take the hot poker in the eye just to do some hunting.

I wish (and I don't wish) there was a country wide license and tags. it sure would make things easier if you got a buddy living in another state

I only draw an Iowa tag every three years.  The Iowa bowhunters are responsible for that!!!!  GREEDY!  They want us non-residents kept out, but they won't pay the land owners a trespass fee, so they whine about not being able to hunt.

The land owner feeds and protects the deer.  Trespass fee hunting is a fact of life now.  Land owners should be able to get tags that they can then give out or sell.  

The over population of deer there now, because of the Iowa bowhunters in large part, is such that when you do apply for a buck tag, you must also apply for a doe tag.

Hopefully, the game commission there will tell the Iowa bowhunters where to stick it and start to manage properly.  Politics SUCK and that is what is going on in Iowa...POLITICS!

I'll hear from some Iowa bowhunters on this post, FOR SURE!

Too Short

Didn't get drawn this year Too Short?

Nope...next year is year number three and I SHOULD get drawn then.  I'd think about buying a piece of ground there, but you can't even get tags as a land owner.  

Think about that...  you buy land there, improve it, increase deer and turkeys, pay LOTS of property taxes, add to the economy, and you can't even get a tag as a land owner!

The economic impact created by Iowa resident bowhunters is just about zilch.  The economic impact created by out-of-state hunters is HUGE!  Someone in the state government is asleep at the wheel.

Aaarrrrggggghhhhhhhh!

Too F. Short

I could justify $400 tag..  IF AND ONLY IF .. the Iowa DNR did SOMETHING to manage a quality deer herd. It's been a long time since i've seen more than one quality buck per season. Hype and Propaganda? see a lot of that.

I paid $466 for an Illinois deer tag this year and I don't think I will ever pay that again. Too much money for a deer!!

To me,I'll pay what I need to be able to hunt where I want.

I've paid over $400 twice to hunt Illinois,and have 2 preference points for Iowa now,next time should be a shoe-in.

It's not all about big bucks like alot of y'all seem to think.If you live in areas where there's spectacular deer hunting,you can't understand why anyone else would pay big dollars to hunt.

I live in SC............hunt at least 60-70 days of our 4 1/2 month season every year.My first evening in Illinois I saw more deer than I did the whole season in SC.I got to see scraping,sparring,chasing,ect,things I very,very rarely if ever get to see in SC.I get to see what "real" rutting activity is like.It's a totally different hunting experience than I get when I hunt in SC.

I'm with you Varmint...I paid $850 for a Kansas transfer tag this year and I wish Iowa's was $1,000. It'd be easier to draw that way.
I'll work a second job if I have to to pay the fee cause I want to hunt BIG bucks. If you think the tags are too much and don't want to pay it, that's fine but bowhunting BIG whitetails is what I do, it's who I am, I'll pay whatever supply and demand dictates.

If you really want to do it, you'll find a way. If you're just an average deerhunter, that's cool too. You can still hunt average deer in average places.

Not sure I agree with Too Short on the issue but then again Im a transplant to Iowa from Michigan so I do have to rent land (pay trespass fee) in order to hunt.  I have relatives that would love to come out and have been applying for permits and eventually they will get to come here and hunt some really magnificent animals.  From the pictures and the reports I send home most of my relatives and friends think it would be a bargain to hunt here versus going on a guided hunt or a canned hunt for deer of comparable size/quality.  I agree its not cheap but then again its not outrageous by any means unless you are trying to justify it by cost per pound of lean meat and if thats the case then you are better off with beef or chicken or pork.  

Its not a bargain but sometimes you have to consider that you might just get what you pay for.

Some guys don't know what there talking about. I got my landowners for deer and my shotgun tags. Really pretty easy. If you rent ground you can get a tag also.

Hunted Iowa for the first time this year and saw some good deer.None as large as what I've taken in MA so I filled my doe tag (Had to buy one to get a buck tag)I paid $400+ for the lic just for deer. Montana when I draw sells me a lic for elk,deer, small game and fishing for $600+.Much better bargin but still ridiculous.$1000.00 is coming and it will put the average joe out of the game as it is these hunters that are the supply and demand.Wait and see what the outfitters will charge when your paying a grand for the lic.

Hey Biggie...I hunt average deer in a beautiful place 8^).  How's it going this year?

I'm with you, Biggie.

By-the-way, I'll Sumo wrestle with you again ANY time, as long as it ain't FIXED like it was last time.  Also, I don't want Wensel there.  It took me months to get the correct color back in my right Ostrich boot!  It still smells like one of Tink's scents.  I think he drinks the stuff or sumppin!

Yah Tah Hey, Texaco

Too F. Short

George my friend, there is nothing average about you    :notworthy:  

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Paul....FIX????  What you talking bout???

QuoteI only draw an Iowa tag every three years. The Iowa bowhunters are responsible for that!!!! GREEDY!

You know T short, it's those "greedy" hunters that are passing up small bucks, shooting tons of does, planting food plots, donating meat to HUSH programs, etc. that is allowing all those monster bucks to be possible for you to hunt every so often.
You blame the greedy hunters that do all the hard work, then you whine about the fees, time frame, or not being able to get a landowner tag if your a non resident that owns land.   :knothead:
Aside from the money, what do you do to help the deer herd?

An older friend of mine said,
You will run out of land to hunt before you run out of game to hunt.
It's coming faster then  i thought!!!!
Ron

QuoteI only draw an Iowa tag every three years. The Iowa bowhunters are responsible for that!!!! GREEDY! They want us non-residents kept out, but they won't pay the land owners a trespass fee, so they whine about not being able to hunt.

The land owner feeds and protects the deer. Trespass fee hunting is a fact of life now. Land owners should be able to get tags that they can then give out or sell.

The over population of deer there now, because of the Iowa bowhunters in large part, is such that when you do apply for a buck tag, you must also apply for a doe tag.

Hopefully, the game commission there will tell the Iowa bowhunters where to stick it and start to manage properly. Politics SUCK and that is what is going on in Iowa...POLITICS!

I'll hear from some Iowa bowhunters on this post, FOR SURE!

Too Short

Paul,

I've always appreciated your bold personality, some of the products you put out and in general some of the things you've added to the bowhunting community.

But, I have to say I'm extremely dissappointed in your post.  There is much ignorance in it. I would suggest learning the issues in whole before attacking the IBA on a public forum.

Please come over to Iowawhitetail.com and into the Iowa Bowhunters Assn. forum there.  It is a more appropriate  forum for your concerns.  The folks over there will be very civil as they always are, even if you still resort to name calling.     ;)  

BTW anybody want a centerfold stand and a "Treestand Tactics" book, I'll sell cheap.   ;)

Shovelbuck....aside from the money, perhaps you should tell Paul what you do for the deer.

I think the states should be able to charge N/R's anything they want. It their deer, the Residents should have an advantage over N/R's they live there. This goes for all states. Commerce should not play a part in how wildlife is managed. Iowas bowhunters are standing up for Iowa bowhuters good for them,

OHHHH and when you come to visit, just title the thread "You're Greedy IBA".  That way we can gather enough folks for a healthy discussion.

See ya there!

Morning Star, maybe you'd better starighten us out on this. Everytime a vote comes up to allow more non resident tags, the IBA votes it down.
There is already a limit on how many tags can go to non res.
It's not the will of the people either as every resident I've talked to wants more deer killed and appreciates the NR $$$. It's the will of a small group of Resident hunters. The IBA.
I'm a Life Members of the IBA but I don't like their position on the NR issues.

i wolud like to hunt elk in New Mexico every year, same reason only so many non-resident tags. it is the same everyware. unless i want to pay huge money for a landowner tag. sad but true this is what it has come to and some how we all have to deal with.   Doug77

Thanks, Biggie!  Hey, if I'm wrong, I'll eat some crow pie!  I don't think I am wrong.  My understanding is that the IBA hired a lobiest to keep the number of out of state hunters down.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I understand how you guys in the IBA feel, but because you are fighting to limit the number of non-resident bowhunters down, you are, in essence, siding with the anti-hunters.  

The lead question I have is this: How could issuing more non-resident archery tags hurt you guys?  Tell me!  

I have plenty of landowners located in Iowa who would LIKE to have me come and hunt and pay a trespass fee.  They are frustrated because I can't hunt.  They say they have too many deer.

You guys prove me wrong and I'll apologize in this forum...but you have to prove me wrong.

Too Short

Actually the IBA has supported an increase in the past (Ad Hoc bill), I THINK it would have been to a total of 10,000 tags, I'm not positive on that number though, it's been a while.

BTW, a lobbiest is a necessity for any bowhunting assn.  Ours keeps us intune and defends us on all relevant political issues.  You'd be foolish not to have one!

Like I said, come on over and discuss the facts.  Get some good information from board members and long time members, not hearsay!

It's just a click and a registration away.  I'm done discussing here!  


 IBA Forum (http://www.iowawhitetail.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=19&page=1)

Morning Star...

I went to the Iowa site and I can't get in to the chat forum or anything else.  I'm perfectly happy to post my feelings/views and have someone tell me I'm wrong...or right.  I just need to know what to click on when I go to the web site.

Thanks in advance...

P.s.  If the book and the tree stand are cheap enough, I might want to buy them.  Heh, heh, heh!

Too Short

QuoteShovelbuck....aside from the money, perhaps you should tell Paul what you do for the deer.

George, check my profile, I don't even live in Iowa, and for that matter, haven't hunted there.
But since you seem to need the info.........In the last 12 years, by my choosing I've shot only 2 bucks, the rest does. Plant food plots, supplimental feeding during winter, and have my deer voluntarily checked for CWD to help out the game commission.
Some may think that since I don't live there I don't have a dog in this fight. Wrong. We are all in this together, like it or not. Complaining about the cost or the amount of permits does nothing but divide hunters. If you think you must shoot a big buck then pay the price. State by state this same argument goes on. In my opinion, the residents have every right to limit the non resident since they are doing all the work to begin with.
I'm done, good hunting everyone.

Shovelbuck.  Here's what Paul said:

"Think about that... you buy land there, improve it, increase deer and turkeys, pay LOTS of property taxes, add to the economy, and you can't even get a tag as a land owner!"

I see more than just money there.

I must correct myself. The limit on tags is for archery, only 35% can go to archery tags. The IBA voted NOT to increase this percentage. Apparently, they prefer the tags go to gun hunters.

Shovelbuck. In one sentence you say the residents have a right to make those decisions, and in the next you say we are all in this together.

??????????????

I guess when I started the thread, I was just letting you know that I was surprised at how high the fee was for deer, because I know in some states you can hunt Elk for about $100 more.

But then when you think about it, how many of you guys have purchased tags in your state, thinking that you are going to fill those tags, and haven't !  How high of a cost is that, but then again, you had the enjoyment of the search, the steps of the journey, did you get results, of course you did.

But when I look at states like Iowa, it looks like it's totally a political, and money situation.  But then again, I don't even know what a nonresident deer hunting license is in Minnesota.

Isn't that the natural state of man, there are politicians that don't know the price of milk.  But they sure do know the words " more tax"
and they've never been to the woods themselves but they legislate the rules and regulations for hunting, by the opinions of those that have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars by putting together " a report" so they could read it and make the laws.

Now let's not divide over this guys, it was just a statement, just a surprise to me of how much it was for deer, can't imagine how much it would be for just a puny little rabbit !  But it sure does open my eyes to all those " true chase" hunts that you buy on the DVDs talk about a kid back situation !

But then again, compared to the cost of a custom three-piece takedown long bow, who's complaining !

Enjoyment is in the heart of the spender, somebody's pleasure is somebody else's pain, if they try to accomplish what they cannot gain. !
  :biglaugh:  

Carl

George,a non resident paying property taxes doesn't add to the economy like living there year round does. Property taxes alone aren't much into the economy in the grand scheme of things. Your not there buying gas, groceries, etc, etc.
Since when is increasing deer numbers there good for the herd? Everything I know about Iowa and most other states is that there are allready plenty of deer and increasing numbers will actually be detrimental.
From what I've seen, non residents buy the land to hunt big bucks, and aren't there enough to shoot many, if any does. Great deer hunting and healthy herds come from good buck/doe ratios, not increasing numbers by way of more does.

Biggie, I could of worded that better but read the next line.............."Complaining about the cost or the amount of permits does nothing but divide hunters"

I quit applying after the most recent hike in non-res fees. I'm tired of the state holding onto my money and earning interest, only to say sorry! and refund me later.

I have a GREAT place to hunt in IA, but can't/don't hunt it, due to fees and my refusal to pay preference points in order to expedite getting drawn sooner (and also refusing to pay all the $$ they want). The landowner is a non-res, as well and is basically the same boat. Sure, he can get doe tags at a discount, but he's still treated the same as any other non-res.

I'm sorry, but IA should follow suit with IL to get the doe population under control. A non-res. who wants to hunt does in IL can buy a $25 doe tag over the counter. Tell me what's wrong with that idea IA!?? I know, I know... Sure, we'd all like to get that big buck, but I just want to hunt, period, and fill the freezer.

Don't even get me started on the late season special, any weapon, antlerless only season! I heard from plenty of disappointed people who thought they were shooting a doe, only to find out that they killed a buck who had shed his antlers.

We all know it has more to do with revenue than anything else. When you have the TV personalities telling everyone to "Come to IA/KS/MT (favorite state here) for monster bucks!" well, that's going to generate interest, and subsequently revenue, from out of state hunters. I think an out of state, border county should get a price break as well, but that's my opinion. I spend money in Iowa ALL the time. I've worked in IA for 23 years (buy my gas there, etc.) and contribute to Iowa's revenue just fine, thank you. You can defend the state's decisions all you want, but it's all about the $$$.

The state that has one of the best non-res. packages is Missouri. I'm hoping they stay the way they are. $225 gets you your small game license and tags for 2 deer and 2 turkeys. If you're the non-res. landowner, you can cut the permit fee in half! I believe that is fair.

I remember reading about the days when hunting was for only the rich and privledged. It seems that we are heading in that direction again. Paying $400.00 just for a deer license is way out of my budget and probably a lot of others and if hunters are more than willing to pay the fee it will of course like anything else keep going up. If you can afford the license fee consider yourself blessed but if you can't or think its too high, there's always the rabbits and squirrels.

They made upgrades to the site and it appears they are still getting the bugs out.  I tried the registration link and it wouldn't open for me either.  All I can tell you is keep trying or email an administrator.  Or until then, if you're bored, due some searches because this topic has been BEAT TO DEATH over there.  Heck they've even got dead horse pictures waiting for ya.    :D    

I will say one thing, this BY FAR isn't just an IBA thing!  Go to any Iowa hunting forum, from fishing to small game and you'll get a resounding "NO" from all groups.

They're smart enough to keep Iowa from turning into Illinois "Golden Triangle" or the Montana "Playground of the rich and not so caring."  You know a little about that stuff don't ya?  But that issue is just one of  MANY  reasons they don't want it to happen!

Another quick one, the "biggest reason" for areas having to many deer is "limited access to hunting ground" whether it be a city limits issue or a private landowner not allowing hunting. SE Iowa has lots of recreational ground leases and owners who just let the herd go wild now. But I know you are filled in on all that.   ;)   Right?

So keep on trying, you'll get registered at some point on IW. Biggie, do you get your info from board members or hearsay?  Maybe you should join in the forum to.   I'm done with this thread (truely done this time)    :)    , heading to my favorite funnel.  See ya over at IW at some point!  Hopefully after bow season.    ;)

Betcha can't stand it....you'll be back!

Just for the record, a non-resident tag in Minnesota is $141.  It used to be the same as whatever your home state charged for a nr tag, but that's changed and I think for the better.  Now, if they'd delay gun season until late November after the peak of the rut, we might be able to do something about improving the deer herd.

Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Maryland have reciprocity agreements with one another.  They charge what the others do.  That may be a good thing for overall hunting.  That way, anyone from Iowa, wanting to go to another state, would have to pay the same as they charge.  Now that sounds like a winner.

I live in Iowa and hunt my own land. I get a land owners permit for $1.00 it might be $2. I still buy a liscence anyway just to help support the IADNRs work.
As for Iowa bowhunters impact on the economy being zilch. That is not true. Taxes, fuel,restraunt bills, tag fees and not to mention property taxes! If it wasnt for Iowa deer hunters lobbing, we wouldnt have the liberal seasons we have. What about volunteer hours spent working with IADNR and county conservation groups.
I can remember when I had to enter a tag drawing when I was young and still not get a tag. I can also remember when there where no out of state deer hunters permitted. Now I can buy a tag at any walmart! Deer are plentiful, the bobcat is back, river otters are back and so are mountain lions! West pott. county bowhunters even maintain a public archery range at Hitchcock nature area in southwest Iowa north of Council Bluffs. So I ask you what have out of state deer hunters done here that is of such a benefit?

QuoteThe lead question I have is this: How could issuing more non-resident archery tags hurt you guys? Tell me!  

lets see, we are in the bottom 5 (i think we are second from the bottom) states for public land, so more hunters means more competition for land.
 
when mr. moneybags NR hunter offers my neighbor big bucks to lease his land away from me.
these guys that lease the land, show up for a week or 2, just to shoot the "buck of a lifetime".  me, on the other hand, hunt the property 2 or 3 seasons, taking numerous does, which in turn, keeps the crop damage down.

if we were to just "open the gates" and start selling deer tags over the counter at wallyworld, it would only be a few years and then we are yesterday's news..no one wanting to hunt here.  or, we become pike county illinois, with dozens of outfitters driving up land prices, and driving others out of the sport.

the reason people only get to draw every 3 years or so, is because of the DNR, and the landowners deer herd management. one of the main things that sets iowa's deer herd apart, is that gun hunters aren't allowed durring the rut.  gives the deer a fighting chance.

if you got to hunt here every year, all you would get to see is a 100-120 inch buck.  doesn't everyone have some of those in their home state?

sure the IBA tries to keep NR tags at a reasonable level.  we are protecting the rights of the IOWA BOWHUNTER.  i'm sure the KBA does all they can to protect the intrests of kansas' bowhunters...kinda seems natural.  

sorry to be all over the board on my reasons, but you will burn your eyesockets out on iowawhitetail.com if you run a search.  or, like has been mentioned before, come on over, get your free membership, and start up a lively discussion.

Maybe you could secede from the Union and draw foreign aid 8^).

Two things I don't think people are understanding here:

1.  The NR Iowa Deer tag is for 1 buck AND one doe AND small game.

2.  Paul wants to be a NON resident land owner and get a tag every year.  One would think this would be a fair deal if you actually owned the land.  Not in Iowa, you have to own the land AND be a resident to hunt the deer on YOUR land every year.

I've got 3 points for Iowa and am looking very much forward to spending a couple weeks out there next year   :thumbsup:  I'll have about 40 days of scouting in while waitng for the tag.  I guess I don't mind waiting.  It helps an average guy like me have similar opportuninties to the rich and famous.  Kansas is not like it used to be with outfits like USO getting involved with the landowner transferrable tags.  Flood the country with more rich guys, we'll make tons of money too...

Hey, I got NO problem with the tag lottery system. The fees are unreasonable though. Most of us average Joes won't/can't pay it. There will always be the Mr. money bags hunters to draw the tags though. You can control the deer population and the number of NR hunters  without charging so dang much. That is why I say it's about the $$$. It will continue to go up and SE Iowa will become the next Pike county. I've watched land prices grow 4-fold and more in the past few years, and "outfitters" are popping up everywhere and buying up that land in hopes of becoming rich. Don't worry though, somebody will buy those tags and hire those outfitters.

Tom, I don't get the Mr MoneyBags comment. I scratch and dig every year to come up with whatever $$$ I need to get the tags I want. Alot of guys say they can't afford it, but if they'd save up their green fees and sell off the waverunner they could do it to.
I think it's like everything else in life in this great country. If you want to make it happen, you can. If it's not a priority in your life, you won't.

While I agree it's discouraging to pay for hunting that used to be free for the asking, I'm not willing to sit home and fume about it while the years slip away. Every season I mmmmmmiss is one that I won't get back.

To quote a great philosopher:  "I has seen the enemy and he is us".

Iowas got big bucks with big racks archers will pay. Good post Biggie.
 I see archers that could buy a lesser house with more land instead they want to buy more house and less land then when it is time to hunt they want to hunt on the fellow that has the lesser house for nothing.

Shoot Biggie, I scratch and dig every single week LOL! Once the kids are on their own, maybe that will change a little! Daddy doesn't get to spend much on himself.  ;)  

I guess what I meant was that no matter what the price becomes, there will be someone who will pay it. I just got my sentences out of order.

We have great deer here in IL too. Getting permission to hunt land just ain't what it used to be. I'm hunting a small 25 acre tract that is at least 50% pasture. (I'm not complaining. I'm glad the owner is letting me on there) I'm just concentrating on hunting where I'm at.

Hey Tom, I know what you mean about the kids at home! It does get a little easier once they're on their own.

When we 1st started hunting Iowa years ago, it was easy to knock on doors and get permission. It didn't take long once the word got out until landowners realized they could pay their property taxes off of non resident deer hunters. Who can blame them for that?  Not me.

Just talked to Marvin Heath who killed a150ish 5x5. He went to Iowa on the 5th hoping to "get permission" said he knocked on doors for a week with no results. He ended up going to one of the local "outfitters" (for lack of a better term) and paid the $$$ to hunt a leased farm.

Yep Biggie, I know what you mean. I remember those days, and no, I don't blame the landowners.

I basically can hunt my buddy's place (down near Keo) any time I want. Of course, that means I gotta draw a tag first. So does he.  :readit:

I have hunted in Kansas, Ill, Iowa, Montana, Colorado, Manitoba, and Idaho.   My point...

What the heck is Too Short complaining about? Montana has land, wildlife, and the same &&&&&'ing rules that other states have....which includes if you own land there you still cannot hunt there if you don't live there.  

In fact, of all the states' issues, I have more trouble with you "out west" folks.   Heck most of the the land is federally owned vs. personally owned.   I probably pay more federal taxes than most so maybe I own more than most.... not.

So ... it is what it is.

Ohhh and I am from Wisconsin and we have cheap out of state licenses and big deer.   You can take a strong position, but look into the mirror.   Are you working on changing the Montana laws for us mid-west folks?????  Good grief...

It's relly very simple, if you don't like the game laws and the politics in Iowa, don't hunt here!

If you do draw a tag , good luck to you!