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Topic Archives => How To - Resources => Topic started by: MSwickard on March 17, 2005, 02:43:00 AM
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Well, I finally completed my Snakeskin Project on my Wapiti TD. I still have to do a final satin coat, but need to wait on mother nature warm up into the 60's F.
Anyway here's how I did it
A pair of matched Prairie Rattlesnake skins
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/31b.jpg)
Next, I sanded each limb with 60 grit paper to roughen up the the surface for better adhesion.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/Sandedlimbs2.jpg)
Limbs were wiped down with acetone and masking tape was applied to the face of the limbs to keep them clean during the glue up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/Tapeonfaceoflimb.jpg)
Before I started the glue up process, I soaked the skin in lukewarm water. This makes the skin flexible and easier to work with. I let the skin soak for about 5 minutes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/SoakingSnakeskins.jpg)
Wipe down the limb with acetone while the skin is soaking in water. Liberally apply Titebond III glue to the limb. Remove the skin from the water and remove as much water by sliding the skin between your index finger and thumb. Then apply skin to the limb and positin the skin. Start working out the air bubbles and smoothing out the glue. At this point glue will be working its way from under the skin. Work from the center outward. One very important step prior to actual glue up is laying up the skin to the limb. Determine where and how you want the skin on the limb and make length cuts to fit the limb. Leave enough overlap. The overlap will be cut off after the skin dries.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/TitebondIIIonlimb.jpg)
Continue working out the air bubbles and smoothing out the skin. A small roller used for hanging wallpaper works well. You can also use a piece of arrow shaft. If you have alot of overlap on the sides of the limb, trim it back some with a new razorblade knife. Leave about .25 inches. This will keep the skin from curling. Let the skin set about an hour to dry. Then take the back of a knife and scrap off as many scales from the skin as you can. It is much easier to do when the skin is still moist. Don't worry about getting them all off now. After the skin dries overnight, you can trim the excess skin flush with the limb with a razorblade.
Take masking tape and apply it to the skin to remove the remaining scales. Make sure you remove the tape in the same direction that the scales lie. Make sure you get all the scales off the skin.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/Skinonlimb.jpg)
After 36 hours, complete a final close trim of any skin hanging over the limbs edge. Check for any spots along the edges where the skin may have not taken hold. Use superglue or Zap a Gap to fix these spots. Once the skin is secure to the limb, take some 220 grit paper and touch up the edges of the skin. Wipe down the skin with a damp cloth to remove any residue from the sanding step. Let the limb dry for 1 hr.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/Gluedupskins.jpg)
Next, take superglue and apply it to the surface of the skin and along the edges of the limb. To apply, I used a surgical type glove made of nitrile. The blue ones. Pour a small amount of thin superglue and rub it as smooth as you can onto the skin. Do two coats and sand with 220 paper after the first coat. You can apply the second coat after 1 hour. To do my limbs, it took a little less than one ounce of super fine CA superglue. Best place to pick it up is in a Hobby store. I got a 1oz bottle for $5.00.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/Supergluelimbs.jpg)
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Part II
Finally, spray the limbs with Varathane Professional Gloss in the black can. I found mine at Home Depot. Do about 5-6 coats. Spray the last one from a distance to reduce the gloss. After it dries hit it lightly with steel wool or a 600 or finer grit wet/dry paper to take the shine off.
Final Product:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/toplimb.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/botlimb.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/MSwickard/FV2bow.jpg)
Hope you all enjoyed this and find it helpful.
Mike
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Looks good. :thumbsup:
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Great write up...thanks!!!
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Best write up yet
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Is the purpose of the CA to fill the irregularities in the skin? Thanks
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Mike, I skinned a Osage selfbow a few years ago and did just as you did except I did not use the superglue. I finished mine off with Tru-Oil.
I was talking to Frank one day and he asked if my skins were smooth or did it have texture. I knew exactly what he meant because I have a 04 Dakota that Bob Morrison skinned for me. The skin's on that bow look like an underlayer. They are just perfect and super smooth.
My thought is that your superglue step might fill those voids that my selfbow has. Too late I know but am I right? Does the superglue fill the voids with the ending product being something like what Bob Morrison does?
Thanks,
Bill W.
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Mohillbilly & BillW
As for the superglue step I cannot take credit for it. Before doing this project, I endlessly went thru the archives on Tradgang to see how everyone was doing skins on glass bows. O.L. Adcock mentioned in a post that he used superglue and finished it with Fullerplast.
So I contacted O.L. and asked him about the CA. Basically, it acts as a primer. Use the thinnest stuff you can get. It does fill in the voids and gives it the appearence of being under glass. On my bow, even though I put the same amount on each limb, the top limb has less texture than the bottom limb. I think the bottom skin had more initial scale texture than the top. I though about really filling in the scale area on the skins but didn't want to add anymore material to the limb. Also, by sanding more between applications of the CA, you can achieve that under glass look.
Even though I have already put varathane on my limbs, I my go back and sand them down to the CA layer and add more. But then again, the way it is know gives the bow character.
One other thought I had when I first read about using the CA, is that it is the idea stuff to apply to the skin. CA is used as a quick way to close up a cut. So applying it to the skin really seals it up. Lastlym, when using the CA, make sure you do it in a well ventilated area. The vapor is not real eye and nose friendly.
Ciao
Mike
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Thanks Guys
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I am super pumped now!! I just bought the Kodiak from justin newell. and am going to do this on it. Thanks so much for this. Great article. It will give me a purpose to killing rattlers on my desert wanderings and bunny bashing trips.
Again Great article and what kinda bow did you hang the skins on?
Dave
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This needs to be moved to the HOW TO section...along with the pics. I really want to do my bow when I get back to home station...anybody got any copperhead skins? How about a bull snake? How many coral snakes you think it would take to do a bow??? :D
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RTR Dave
The bow is a Keith Chastain Wapiti Take Down. It is a 62", 60#@28. I had this bow built back in 1987, and decide it need a new look.
If you need any info on doing the skins feel free to ask.
Ciao
Mike
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The Superglue that I used I purchased at Hobby Town USA. It is a Super Thin 1-3 sec glue, Cyanoarcrylate (CA) called Insta-Cure. It is made in the USA. Web site is:
http://www.bsiadhesives.com/Pages/hobby/ca.html
I paided $5.00/1 oz bottle. For my project, used about .75 oz.
Ciao
Mike
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Mike,
Thank you,I'm going to give this a try the next time I put skins on a bow.
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That`s a wapiti that rocks.
Where did you get these nice skins from?
Roland
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Tecum-tha
Thanks, I also think the skins added to the Wapiti. Gives it a nice distinct look. Yesterday I was shooting it and laid it down in the yard to pull arrows. Walking back looked as if I had two rattlers in my yard!
Sent you some info.
Mike
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Mike super job on skinning those limbs. I have never heard of the supe glue step before either. Kind of interesting. Will have to give it a try one of these days. Congrats on a fine job and photo session. Thanks for posting.
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Thanks Mickey!
O.L.'s superglue trick works real well. The stuff gives a great coating and is durable as well a flexible. After shooting the bow over 100 shot the limbs so no signs of cracks in the finish.
Thanks again for looking and your input.
Mike
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Thanks for the tips Mike, I'm using your process on a PSE recurve that's been collecting dust. So far I've gotten one limb skinned that now needs some trimming. I plan on tackling the other limb this week. I'm useing a couple of diamond back skins that a friend killed while working on his Texas ranch house. Will post pics when done.
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Ursus
Can't wait to see it! One thing that I would highly recommend that I've learned in this process is make sure you do enough coats of varathane. Because the weather has not been much above 55 F, I have only gotten three coats on my limbs. I've been shooting it and went to a 3D shoot this past Sunday. Noticed that I'm getting a little lifting of the Varathane on some edges. Nothing really crucial, just have to go back and sand and reshoot it. 6 coats should do alot better.
Have a good one
Mike
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Those limbs look great. Good Job, and nice instructions.
I believe the CA step is just a different way of applying a Massey finish, without the Acetone.
I have a Morrison with copperhead skins, and it DOES look like the skins are impregnated into the limb.
-Terry
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Great work! Were those skins tanned or treated first in any way?
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Hey Jim, the skins I'm using are just dried. I think that's what most guys do with'em. They are from the same batch of skins that Chris used on his longbow this spring during Steve's bowbuilding class.
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Jim
Use dried skins and not tanned.
Mike
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Hey thats great. Makes it easier. LOL. I never got to see Chris's bow after the skins were put on. did get to see the finished product though. Liked your bow the best.
Luke, hope this finds you doing well. I understand that you are a happily married man? Excellent and many blessing on ya! Just got a letter from Steve today. Guess he is almost done with his house. Looked good from the pic.
I am starting to miss it up there. Two months and the boats would be in the water. Black bears running rampant! ahhh man!!! LOL.
Take care Luke. Dandy goat by the way.
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TTT for Bob
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Here's a limb I did following Mike's instructions.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/alaskan_waters/Archery/03archeryfriendscamping008.jpg
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Mike, Im in the middle of this project, no problems so far. Wow, a lot easier than I thought it would be! thanks for the helpful photos and instructions.
I am skinning a big 5 hill longbow and have the first coat of CA on.
I am going to sand and reapply later tonight. How thick can I build this up? I'd Like a smooth finish on the front. Should I accomplish that finish with varathane or CA?
Also, on finishing sealant. Varathane or miniwax poly? Pro's and cons of each? The poly states for indoor applications but Ive heard of several folks on here using it for bow finishes.
Thoughts?
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How do you trim around the tip overlays? And are there any tricks to cutting the edges? When I tried a couple of years ago on a hatfeild. It turned out wavey. The edges of the limbs were rounded and I had trouble holding a straight line. Any help would be great. Thanks
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To get the skin smooth after the titebond dries, the scales must be removed. Use some sticky duct tape. Stick it on, rub it in good and peal it off. the scales will come right off. You might have to do it a few times but the skin will be smooth. Then finish it any way you want.
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Great write-up and should be destined for the "how-to".
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awsome write up !!!!!!!!!!!!
gave me some idea's on my next bow!!i skin!!!!!
thanks for posting ..