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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: DDawg on September 19, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
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I hunt with a Holm Made River Runner recurve at 45#.
I practice off my 12ft porch at 20yds.
I am in my 3rd year of trad hunting, and my general rule is no shots over 20 yds.
I had a doe this Saturday morning broadside right at 30yds. Except for the range I was in the perfect shot situation, but decided it wasn't worth the risk of wounding the animal.
Is a 30 yard shot feasible with a #45 recurve?
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It is feasible, but no way am I taking a 30yd shot at a deer! Closer is almost always better, and a lot can happen to make he outcome bad atnlong distances. I think you did the right thing.
Bisch
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Yes it possible, but I would never take a 30 yard shot at a deer.
You did well. ^5
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I have won more traditional archery tournaments than I can remember back in the day, I wouldn't take a 30 yard shot at a deer.
When I first started bow hunting in the early 70s I took a 40 yard shot off the ground at a deer that was looking at me. Before my arrow got there the deer took 4 or 5 rapid steps. My arrow only hit the air where the deer was once standing. This taught me a lesson on taking long shots.
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Some may so no but if your confident you can make the shot I say take it. Close shots can turn into bad shots just as easy as long ones it's all up to you.
I don't hunt by what others say,I have my own ethics which I was brought up on by my dad since I was very young. The more you practice the more confidence you will get. Have fun and enjoy.
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I believe we all have our own choices to make and ethics to live by. That being said I believe it doesn't matter how good you are like Eric said above wild animals instincts are survival. None of our bows are faster than the speed of sound so they do have the advantage to react no matter if your slinging a compound or longbow.
I shot competitive compound for years and was close to sponsorship before I gave it up for traditional archery tackle. To me Part of the allure of our sport for me has been getting as close to a whitetail or game of any kind as possible to make my shot. I find I'm more and more impressed by guys killing animals within the 10 yard radius on the ground than I am by a booner at 30yards cause I can't seem to get drawn on anything in close hahaha.
I believe you made the right choice, I would have made the same. There're plenty of guys here who would have taken and probably made that shot and good on them if they can, everyone's game is different. Hunt your game and hunt with confidence.
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You did the right thing. Over 20 yds. with any trad. bow is a recipe for disaster, more times than not. JMHO
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I know people who have killed animals at much farther than 30 with a tradbow, I also know people who've missed them at less than 15 due to them reacting to the shot. I think the situation matters a lot. I will take a 30 yard shot an an animal, but everything will have to be absolutely perfect.
Personally, if the deer is looking your way, or on any kind of alert, I wouldn't shoot.
Here is a video from one of our very own that a great example of how fast a deer can move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxmjHtWJ_hk
At the end of the day, we live with our decisions and letting an animal live another day because of lack of comfort is a shot is always a good decision, imo.
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First of all, you didn't feel comfortable, so you didn't shoot. Good job following your gut feeling.
Second, there is a big difference between "feasible" and "advisable"
From my porch to my target is a little over thirty yards. Because I've practiced from that exact spot often, I can stick it. I doubt that I could replicate that on a hunt.
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Originally posted by Bisch:
It is feasible, but no way am I taking a 30yd shot at a deer! Closer is almost always better, and a lot can happen to make he outcome bad atnlong distances. I think you did the right thing.
Bisch
Considering Whitetails in a hunted area, I agree completely...(learned by experience since 1967) I am sure you did the right thing.
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I've gotta think pretty hard past about 28 yards
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If I feel uncomfortable with a shot no matter what distance I've already made my choice not to shoot.
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You have had bowhunting lesson #1 -- Let the critter walk if the right shot does not present itself.
Well done.
For me the "right shot" is 15-17 yards or less, a calm animal, clear arrow path, broadside or quartering away.
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Ya 30 pretty far for me on whitetail.
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It's all situational. I've passed shots under 15 and killed over 25. The deer's current state, wind conditions, and my "feel" tell me when to shoot or not, not yardage. If you feel the shot, take it.
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The very fact that you are asking this question is proof enough for me that there was a bit of doubt in your mind to make the shot. I agree with Bisch that YOU made the right decision. I always remember what my mentor taught me. Traditional bow HUNTING is not seeing how far away from the animal you can get and hitting the mark. It's getting as CLOSE as you can and not missing ! To me, it's all about becoming a better hunter by getting close to your game
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I think Kromer said it well. 'Did you feel the shot' is the best criteria I can think of. Wind, animals posture, awareness, and distance can all be factors. I learned a long time ago to trust my instincts. If you are confident, take it. If not pass. You alone will know if you made the right call.
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I feel since you don't practice at that distance you shouldn't shoot at game that far. A 45# bow will absolutely do the job at that distance. Some people are just better than others and you just have to figure out where you belong. I know I can't go into a major league baseball game and pitch. Some can. Trad Archery is no different. Some can shoot tennis balls at 60 yards while others can't do it at 15.
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For me, 30 yards is too far. Probably, 25 is also a bit far. 20 is good. Most guys are in about the same effective range that I am. But there are people who can make shots at this distance effectively. I envy them.
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Right decision
Terry
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Originally posted by George Vernon:
I think Kromer said it well. 'Did you feel the shot' is the best criteria I can think of. Wind, animals posture, awareness, and distance can all be factors. I learned a long time ago to trust my instincts. If you are confident, take it. If not pass. You alone will know if you made the right call.
Agreed! Gotta feel "the warm and fuzzies" as a buddy of mine describes!
I'd also have to ask about your arrow weight. I shoot 46 lbs with an arrow wt of approx 510 grains. Heavy is needed if you expect to reach 2 lungs at that distance. My longest at a whitetail is 27 yds. I'd been practicing a lot at longer distances, then had all the right ingredients. Found the boiler room and he dropped in 80 yards.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VhimSGWCO7JCoubC2
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The accurate 30 yard shot is not a big deal if you are used to doing it, what can be a big deal is time of flight, sound of release and arrow flight, possible issues with overstory and the fact that the animal may move just enough for a bad shot rather than a clean miss. If you feel good about all that then drop the string, if not then wait for a different shot. Only you can make that call.
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I just took a shot on a buck at 28 yards. The deer swirled at the shot and the hit was not ideal. The deer died in a few seconds and all was well but after the fact I shouldn't have tried it. Good call!
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I practice all the way out to 40 and beyond, and seldom have issues missing the "paper plate" at 30 and under.
Now, having said that I'd most likely pass that shot. In my younger days I learned quite a lesson when at 25 yards I shot at a broadside deer facing east, that was wounded in the left rear hip as it spun around to go back west.
It's usually just not worth it.
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What Kromer said. Its not ethics, just plain old instinct and knowing your own limits.