Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: postman on August 01, 2017, 09:47:00 AM
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Just got home from ETAR, had a awesome time, one thing I noticed was more people shooting bows with metal risers, ILF limbs, stabilizers, and elevated rests and plunger buttons, I'm fine with it, I'll stick to my modern longbow, but is this the future of traditional archery or just a fade.
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I too noticed what seems to be a trend. Seems to be many "divisions" within the trad community. To each his own. I like the simplicity of stick and string, but shoot a custom made with modern materials. I really respect the self bow guys, but just don't have the time and drive to join them.
Blessings!
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I've noticed that also... Maybe because Traditional Archers are only 5%-10% of the archers in this country, something (new) is needed to keep it interesting and keep the money flowing... :dunno: ...
Just my two cents worth...
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Don't worry postman,
it's a niche within a niche. Most folks still prefer the warmth and timelessness of pretty wood hehe. My brother and I are 'new breed', I'm 35 he's 30, and we will always prefer a handbuilt stickbow over metal. I know we're not alone.
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I've been here a while, but haven't posted in a LONG time (like years). So hello to everybody again!! I saw this and thought I could give my two cents:)
I like the feel of wood. I currently have a recurve that I built myself. I had selfbow and a longbow that I sold to make the recurve. But I also don't have the money for lots of different bows since I'm a college student. So, I recently got a hoyt satori. I like the concept of being able to try different limbs, different weights and lengths of the ILF without having to fork out money for a new bow each time while keeping the grip the same. And the indestructability of metal is a plus factor since I want it to last a long time. Hope that all makes sense...
BUT, I do like wood and understand the concern postman. I do think it will stay, but I don't imagine it ever taking over the feel of wood in the hand with the wooden bows.
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Postman, none of the things you mentioned are "new" except the ILF limbs and that is just a means of mounting limbs. I have been in archery since long before compounds and metal risers, sights, stabilizers, plunger buttons and elevated rests were quite common. Many of the older recurves you see still have the holes that were drilled for sights. May just be those aspects of historic archery are making a come back. Like they say, "what goes around comes around".
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Just before compound bows got really started metal riser recurves were up and coming. Think Bear, Grooves, Pearson, and of course Hoyt target bows. What I see today by your observation is where we were in early 70's. What has made a big difference IMO is designs and materials. I would put money down that some of these modern Super Recurves are as fast or faster than those early compounds.
We are progressing in how we shoot these bows as well. String walking (fixed crawl) is more prevalent in Trad than say 10 years ago. Sights are being sold and used as well.
I have already heard the rumblings that Trad does not mean what it meant back when the concept was accepted by those with stick and string. I also hear this from wheel bow people when we ask about "Trad stakes" at shoots. Lots of stuff to ponder about for sure. Me, I like progress mainly because as I age and cannot shoot bows over 55# I know I can get acceptable performance from modern recurves and LB.
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Those metal riser bows are ugly. I can't be seen shooting an ugly bow :laughing:
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What year did Fred Bear start making the Bear magnesium riser?
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It's all archery and in the end it boils done to a bow and arrow.
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Think I will just stay with good ole wood!
Terry
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Like I said, I am fine with it, just never been to a shoot this big and couldn't help but notice people shooting this style of bows. But after picking one up in a group I was shooting with I think I will stick with my modern wood longbow.
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Compound converts like metal risers. They want their tapped holes to screw in all the accessories they're used to.
Yeah, yeah, we all know metal risers have been around forever. Don't need a history lesson or an argument about how "trad" they are.
They're butt ugly and cold.
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I was one of those guys with a metal riser at ETAR. I also ordered a new 3pc stewart slammer while I was at this shoot. I like all bows, I have a LHA bow a few bob lees, hoyt gmx, two border tempest, gillo. All bows are fun to shoot, Im the type of person who doesnt snub their nose at what bow your shooting, Im the type of guy who asks if I can try your bow out.
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I'm one of them ILF guys. I have metal, Carbon and wood risers.
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History repeats itself is my belief... We started with all wood bows, moved to wood & fiberglass longbows & 'curves, then eventually compounds and carbon & metal components. We're just caught in the history loop... gotta find my bell-bottom jeans and Zubaz.
Rando
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i wasn't there, but I see this wondrous wooden beast was - maybe one of you bought it?
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My favorite bow is a Northern Mist Whisper. I shoot everything from a Osage self bow to an Trad Tech Titian, with some classic bears and
Wings in between.
I'm having shoulder surgery in a couple of weeks. The Titian was purchased as a rehab bow. I have had fun tuning and shooting it. Good speed for the draw weight.
Hope to get back to shooting my ASL's after surgery and rehab. I probably shoot the ILF bow a little better, but enjoy the "tradition"/challenge of the ASL.
Keeping it Fun!
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To each their own and shoot whatever and however makes you happy.
I too have noticed the trend and feel a lot has to do with the current age of social media and the influence it has on others.
Shoot I remember when I thought it was odd to see someone shooting 3 under just because everyone I shot with shot split. Now I see some really wild anchors all the time! If that works for you, go for it!
Me personally, I will stick with my modern wood bows, and split finger instinctive shooting. That other stuff is to complicated and makes me think too much! I go out to shoot or hunt to not think! ;)
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Shooting one bow all the time has to be sooo boring. Wood riser yes metal yes in ILF I can shoot longbow or recurve from many different bowyers. I also like one pcs longbows. Hunt with all of them and not sure which one until I walk out the door to go hunting.
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I was at ETAR with a metal riser ILF bow. It had a stabilizer, wrist sling and elevated rest. I also have several wooden recurves and got a new wood longbow while I was there. I love all bows and enjoy shooting them all. I appreciate my ILF because it allows me to shoot different limb options very inexpensively. My favorite recurve and longbow maker charges around $400 dollars for a set of limbs and I'd say that is about standard, but I can call up Lancaster Archery and have a new set of quality limbs for my ILF bow for $150 or less. I also wanted to set up a bow that I could shoot vanes on my arrows with. The elevated rest on my ILF bow makes it a breeze.
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Bern, I was set up next to that guy at the swap meet. Had to go over and fondle it a little. I've heard of the Royal Caledonian, but never saw one. Wonder how it made its way here? Sounded like he wanted to get rid of it- said make me an offer. Just not my cup of tea.
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Im of the younger crowd that seems to be drawn to the "modern" bows. however, and I wont say "never" but I cant imagine shooting a metal riser bow. All these great bowyers out there(heck even bear production bows show a level of craftsmanship) shooting an ugly bow just seems weird. Part of the draw to Traditional for me was the beautiful bows that are out there. Im a compound convert and the metal risers feel more familiar(which is why I think they have caught on, most peoplecoming to traditional are from compounds)but if I wanted something that was like my compound I wouldn't have switched in the first place. Worst of all these bows are equal to or more expensive in price as a custom. I'd rather support a small time custom bowyers dream of handcrafting bows for a living and cant wait till I have the coin to do so. I hope its just a fad. In my opinion I'd rather have the traditional industry stay traditional and support skilled, custom bowyers.
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Originally posted by Jackrhendricks:
Im of the younger crowd that seems to be drawn to the "modern" bows. however, and I wont say "never" but I cant imagine shooting a metal riser bow. All these great bowyers out there(heck even bear production bows show a level of craftsmanship) shooting an ugly bow just seems weird. Part of the draw to Traditional for me was the beautiful bows that are out there. Im a compound convert and the metal risers feel more familiar(which is why I think they have caught on, most peoplecoming to traditional are from compounds)but if I wanted something that was like my compound I wouldn't have switched in the first place. Worst of all these bows are equal to or more expensive in price as a custom. I'd rather support a small time custom bowyers dream of handcrafting bows for a living and cant wait till I have the coin to do so. I hope its just a fad. In my opinion I'd rather have the traditional industry stay traditional and support skilled, custom bowyers.
Well said, and my opinion as well. Archery is a personal thing, and preference is yours. Not saying that it is necessarily happening yet but would hate to see factory production equipment take away from skilled craftsmen trying to make a living on their own.
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I'm 66 and been shooting a metal riser nearly exclusively for about 12 years. It is nothing like a compound - no let off. A bow is a tool for me - I always choose the best tool I can for me for any job. And for my bowhunting and archery pleasures, a metal riser does it for me.
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I think it's important to remember that Morrison makes a metal riser as well that's said to be amazing, and he's not a huge manufacturer by any means. so, it's not just large manufacturers.
In the end, to each their own.
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I have no problem with the metal risered folks,,,, at first I was like whats this Bull crap metal riser thing but then realized these are a lot of the folks coming over from wheels so I'm all for any style bow which brings in the future,,,, at some point they will move from those and try other things like hill bows, selfbows, little kiddie looking shrew bows, ah man I love this sport 8^)
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I'm fine with people shooting any bow that makes them happy including compounds.
I can understand shooting a metal riser bow since it really feels dead in the hand. What I can't understand is someone shooting a metal riser bow with stabilizer, plunger button, site and who knows what. You've basically remade the compound without the let off so for me I would just shoot the compound.
Now I've never shot either so I could be wrong and don't want to offend anyone, I just can't understand it.
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Originally posted by mahantango:
Bern, I was set up next to that guy at the swap meet. Had to go over and fondle it a little. I've heard of the Royal Caledonian, but never saw one. Wonder how it made its way here? Sounded like he wanted to get rid of it- said make me an offer. Just not my cup of tea.
It was made by George Birnie in Texas!
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Didn't he work for Ben Pearson for a while after emigrated from Scotland?
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Can someone explain ILF to me?
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Internation Limb Fitting. It's just how the limbs attach to the riser, and it's a pretty slick system in that it doesn't require any tools to be taken apart but you can adjust tiller slightly (which helps with fine tuning and weight).
Some of the target ILF's aren't so eye-catching, but man, some of these new hunting ILF bows are just sweet!
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Originally posted by SteveB:
I'm 66 and been shooting a metal riser nearly exclusively for about 12 years. It is nothing like a compound - no let off. A bow is a tool for me - I always choose the best tool I can for me for any job. And for my bowhunting and archery pleasures, a metal riser does it for me.
The exact reason I hunt with an IL bow now. At 65 I have made the circle a couple times now. I like shooting all my bows but when I hunt I find I shoot nothing as well as I do with a recurve with an elevated rest. I owe it to the game I hunt to make a good killing shot and not wound them.
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I'm just glad folks are turning over to single string archery.
I tend to be a bit of a luddite and personally find metal risers repugnant. However, for many folks those rock-solid metal risers mean absolute, unfailing precision and rigidity.
As mentioned, to each his/her own.
I'm glad many are joining the single string ranks - strength in numbers!!
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As many have said, I think it's an "evolution"... And Yes! History does repeat its self...
Back in the 1970's I started bow hunting with a Bear Alaskan recurve, and cedar arrows with feathers, tipped with Bear Razorheads. After a couple years, my family, friends, and I stuck a Bear Weatherest on our bows, and started shooting Easton aluminum arrows with vanes & screw in points & broad heads. Eventually, we all bought compounds, but after my 5th or 6th one, I soon became "disenchanted" with the newest, latest, greatest, fastest, direction that bow hunting was taking. So... I gave up bow hunting for quite a few years!
I really missed bow hunting though... I missed the days of simple practice in the back yard, the lightness of a simple bow in the hand. The smell of broken cedar... Over the past years, I've aquired 2 custom long bows, that I haven't touched in many years. A collection of old Bear recurves, and my new Bear Custom Kodiak T/D that I have wanted for over 40 years!
My son Tyler builds all of our arrows, and my "tuning process" is actually a process of elimination... Bad flyers, go in the stumping bucket. The best ones, that seem to always hit where I look, eventually get Razorheads glued on for hunting season. Simple! The way it used to be... Traditional Archery & Bow Hunting, is a journey... Choose YOUR path, and enjoy it!!
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Choose YOUR path, and enjoy it!!
Good advice.
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"In the final analysis, all tastes are tastes."
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I think it's great with all the different makes, models, wood, metal, carbon and others. It would be kind of boring if everyone shot the same.
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On the other side of things - Something I see less and less of at ETAR are self bows. There use to be a lot (relatively speaking) 10+ years ago. This year, I don't think I noticed any on the courses.
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Metal riser bows? nothing new, I got this one in 1966
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One thing to keep in mind, is that at big competitions, people will always find an edge to win. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but not why I am into traditional archery.