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Those that have shot two piece longbows, how well do they stack up to a three piece as far as how sturdy they and how consistent they are? I've been looking at Tomahawks and Black Widow.
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I've had a few bow bolt longbows currently have one and had a 2pc thunderchild (sleeve). I've never noticed a difference. Only in convenience love being able to take those apart into 2 small pieces. If the bowyers didn't think they would work well or make sense. They wouldn't make them at all. I think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. But carbs are bad... Don't eat those.
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I have a caribow featherhorn. Abe uses a sleeve system similar to Black Widow. It is rock solid when assembled. I'd like a wolverine model next and it will certainly be a two piece.
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I have three 2-piece takedown longbows. One uses the old Robertson Conexxion Hinge and the other two are sleeves. I prefer the sleeves.
Once the bow is assembled, I don't notice that the bow is in two pieces. They all shoot fine.
Darren
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Had a Big Jim Buffalo if you did not know it was a 2 piece you would never know.
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I have a 60" 1 piece McCullough Griffin and a 2 piece 60 inch bow bolt Griffin and see no difference in shooting although the 2 piece carries a little more weight in the riser. The extra weight is not bulk, steel bolt system and composite phenolic/wood riser. Same great grip in each bow. Really like the 2 piece. Sleeve system and bow bolt are excellent choices when properly built/installed.
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I have a bow bolt Toelke Pika. A must try!
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Widow.
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I have a 2 pc Widow pl and it's rock solid....all time favorite bow
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2pc or 3pc are sturdy if built by a reputable bowyer. Consistency is in the shooter. 3pc and 2pc differ quite a bit in that 3pc you can increase the mass weight of the bow to your liking depending on the size and shape of the riser, making the bow near the mass of a 3pc recurve depending. 2pc longbows generally mimic the mass and proportion of 1pc bows either very closely or near identical again depending on the materials/woods chosen. Tomahawk and Widow both use roughly the same takedown system and are both well built bows. The Widows cost more but are top shelf in craftsmanship and performance. You also have more choices in customization vs the Tomahawk bows, which are square in the production bow category for the most part. Again, both are great choices, just depends on what you want out of it aesthetics and customization-wise in the end. Me, I'd probably save up for the Widow, or find a used one.
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Kind of depends what you like. The 3-pieces usually have more mass in the riser. Some folks like that, others don't. Some like the looks of two pieces better. I personally think the 3-piece attachment systems are a bit more durabl/troublefree, but folks really don't report very many problems with 2-piece takedowns either.
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Two piece are great for backpacking hunts. The bow breaks down into basically two skinny sticks. Assembly of the bow once at camp is simply a matter of popping the two halves together. No allen wrenches required and no hardware(bolts and bezels)to keep track of.
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Shrew Bows use the sleeve TD system, solid and always in line
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Have a Hill Wesley Sp. with the sleeve T/D system.....bullet proof.......if fact I'm going to order another.
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so far I am liking the bow bolt that Robertson is using in their Wolfer the best of any two piece longbow design I have used before....
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I have a two-piece Hummingbird Dynastick that uses the Treadway U-Bolt/Talon system (the same system as the 3 Rivers' Tomahawk Bows I believe?). I really love the extra mass that the steel u-bolt and sockets add to my bow. I don't know about others, but my bow will have the u-bolt slowly work it's way out slightly after an afternoon of shooting. Nothing to worry about -- it doesn't seem to affect the performance. You just notice the "bulge" under the grip after a while. I just unstring, re-seat the bolt, and I'm good to go. The only downside I see to it
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I had a 2piece widow LAG. Was a great bow but draw weight was a little too heavy. Couldn't shoot it consistently so I sold it.
It was on par with a one piece
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My BW longbow is a 2-piece, with the locket socket. I bought it new several years ago, with custom woods, it cost a bit more than some, but it is a great bow that I like more every time I shoot it. Shoots just like a one-piece, I just wish it were 52# instead of 48#, so I could hunt big game in Alaska with it!
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I have a Caribow Featherhorn that is a 2 piece locker socket. Absolutely the finest work in a 2 piece. No movement whatsoever and you cannot tell it's not a one piece bow.
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I've owned at least a few of each 1, 2, and 3 piece bows and the 2 piece sleeve style longbow is by far my favorite. When tested to destruction the BW 1 piece longbow will break across the shelf at 1500 psi, same results with the 2 piece.
Thom
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I am more of a 2 PC guy.I like the aesthetics of the one Piece look.I have tried all of them.I like the brass/steel sleeve and locket socket most.
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I have been shooting my 2 piece Treadway for 2 years without any problems. Great for travel, but still has the looks of a one piece bow. :thumbsup:
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I have a couple of 3 piece longbows and THREE tomahawk 2 piece takedowns. First one I got about 15 years ago. Definitely can tell the difference in the two. My three piece bows are heavier mass and have to have a little more bulk in the riser for the limb fitting systems. They all shoot fine just different.
Two piece tomahawk bows are slender and slim with the same riser that a one piece would have. Just got a new Carbon Supreme two piece and it shoots as well or better than any one piece Tomahawk that I have had. Super sweet shooting. Anymore I prefer the two piece over the one piece bows for the protability and smoothness.
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I have a HHA cheetah takedown and love the extra mass weight while keeping the one-piece look. Very solid. Think I would like to try a wes wallace takedown next.
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Haven't heard Great Northern's Jack Knife mentioned yet. Neither have I ever heard a single bad review about them. I have one; very solid and reliable.
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I've only had one, a Saxon Mongoose. It was a sleeve system and as solid as a one piece.
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An important thing to note is that with most two pieces, you need a leather grip wrap.
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I've got a two piece blackwidow long bow. Absolutely solid.
Joe
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I've got a two piece blackwidow long bow. Absolutely solid.
Joe
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I only own two bows, but they are both Blackwidow two piece take-down longbows. Their "Locket Socket" is a brilliant system, solid, easy to assemble/disassemble, and you cannot tell the difference from a one piece.
If you were to get a two piece from a reputable maker, I'm sure you wouldn't regret it.
I love my take-downs and the bows are teriffic shooters.
Like someone said earlier "They wouldn't make them if they weren't any good".
Best
Lex
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I've owned both the bow-bolt and the sleeve or "locket-socket" TD bows. I prefer the latter due to it's superior strength.
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2 pieces have always scared me because of the physical size of the grip. They always look too big for me in the pictures or at least noticeably larger than the one piece counterparts.
How small of a grip circumference could one expect with a two piece system?
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An experienced bowyer can make a carbon fiberglass sleeve Td grip quite small and still very strong.
There's nothing to fear in a properly built TD.
BigJim
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Thanks Big Guy! I guess I should've put some numbers to it for reference.
Can a grip be made with a 4 1/2" circumference or smaller with the carbon sleeve?
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I had a two piece long bow from Roy Hall. Navajo, 58" long. The bow shot really nice. Smooth draw and put the arrows where I looked. Solid 1/4 turn locking unit. Plus Roy is a super man to deal with. Only sold it because it was too heavy of a draw weight for me.
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I have both and prefer the two piece. Just my preference. No problems with either design.
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I took a 2 piece Black Widow longbow to Africa. I went 7 for 7 with it and 6 went down in sight.
Of course there were other factors but as far as a 2 piece longbow? No issues at all.
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Yes Jasper2, I am doing grips with throats that size on an everyday basis. I have done them as small as 4" measured after installing the beaver tail.. on a 60 lb bow. Could it be smaller? I suppose I could keep going smaller until I had one fail, but as of yet, that has never happened. At least not because of the take down.
I'm guessing that I have done over 1000, maybe 1200 TD sleeves now without a failure...knock on wood.
BigJim
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Awesome...thanks Jim. The Thunderchild is on my short list of bows to try so that is valuable information to have.