Ok so I have only shot Longbows for the last 10 years or so but have been shooting Trad bows since "91". I'm thinking about ordering one of these Recurves but not sure which one. I really like the one pc tip but have never shot one. I have however shot the take downs of each. So I was wondering if anyone can help me make this a easier decision. As far as spec's go I want a 58" bow and #47 @ 26". Any help on how the tip one pc shoots would be appreciated as well.
Thanks,
Steve Jr
I'd go silvertip, no comparison for me.
I've never owned either but I can say that for resale, the Silvertip's sell very quickly. If it were my money, I would buy a ST.
Long wait for a Silvertip.......because of that I would lean towards the Tall Tines. Not to try to try to sway you but you might want to look at a Stalker by South Cox......nice bows and real good performers.
I'm not sure someone can objectively claim that either are a better bow than the competition. Silvertips seem to move a little faster and have a higher percentage of resell value currently; they also have a much longer wait time from what I'm told which may be part of the equation. Silvertips also offer some higher end custom options such as silver inlays, scrimshaw work, relief carving on grips, etc. Both shoot well and are well received. Another "fancier" option may be an Acadian Woods bow. They have some really uniquely shaped riser contours and stunning inlay woodwork for some really fantastic and unique looking bows. I'd love to have the chance to shoot or own one someday.
I have a Tall Tines takedown longbow and am completely happy with it. That said, I can't really honestly claim it's a better bow than any other high quality bow; its just a high quality bow that works well for me personally.
I have both in Take downs. The grip is better on the TT, but the Tip is smoother. I shoot the TT better, but shooting the Tip is a pure joy and that's what I often grab. It's all in what you want. Probably the sweetest shooting one piece bows I ever shot was a Great Plains that I shot at ETAR.
Both have very strong reputations, and it will really all come down to what you like the best, and there is no way for you to know that for sure unless you figure out a way to shoot both bows before you buy!
Good luck!
Bisch
Thanks guys, ronw I have a Stalker Coyote FXT longbow and it is a excellent bow! I'm leaning towards the Silvertip. I have always wanted one. I still have a add that I cut out of a bow hunting magazine. It was for a new Silver Ghost and the price was a whopping $339 and signed by Paul! That had to be from about 1988/89. I'm still not sure weather to go 3 pc or 1 pc.? Anyone care to comment between those two?
Steve Jr
Never shot a silver tip, but I find it hard to imagine you wouldn't like a tall tines. They are definitely on the top of my list. I've owned both the recurve brain makes as well as the stickflinger. They are lights out accurate and super smooth. I must have a smooth bow with my elbows, and Tall Tines fits the bill.
Good luck!
For me it's the Silvertip and has been almost exclusively since 1984 .
Thanks runner, my buddy has a TT Recurve and it shoots flat out to 40 yrds. They are awesome Bows for sure. I kinda feel like if I order a TT, am I still going to want a Tip? All though I was looking at the Stickflinger as well. This is not a easy decision!!
Steve Jr
I have owned four TTs and currently have three Silvertips. Two takedowns and a one piece. I really like the one piece, but the takedowns have a little more mass weight. The extra weight really makes them stable at the shot. If I had to own just one recurve it would be a takedown fast flight Silvertip.
Order both! LOL
Can't help you with the Silvertip, no experience there, but everything I hear about them screams quality.
However, if you were closer to my area I would let you shoot my 60" Tall Tines. Especially with my 48# limbs, it is so consistent. Teamed up with 65/70 Wilderness Custom Surewoods, I can't imagine any recurve shooting better.
For some reason I want to learn to shoot an ASL well, but the TT will be going with me to Manitoba shortly.
I don't think you could go wrong with either bow.
I sure would like to be able to buy both! I don't think the wife would go for that :nono: this is not going to be easy!
Steve Jr
With the two choices at hand you really can't go wrong! Both are top quality bows that will do whatever you want them to do... Really comes down to your personal preference...
I've owned both, and no longer own either... just not my preference... But like I said, not a thing wrong with either! Do what you can to shoot both before you invest... its worth the extra step there... Find out for yourself which is the perfect fit for YOU!!!
Had a few of both and really liked them both.I think its a pretty close call and like what has been said.It would come down to personel preference.
The Schafer does have alot of History behind it.That stretches from the past to the present.I think its an heirloom type bow because of that.That makes it very attractive to archers.Thier Beautiful bows.
I had a 1 PC Schafer and actually like the lighter physical weight.I like its streamlined appearance as well.The aesthetics are excellent.Mine was 60".I think that's a great overall length in a recurve.Its not like holding a feathery longbow.It has nice weight.But is easy to carry and I think its still very stable and handshock is not an issue.
If you want it to be heavier you can get the diamondwood riser or heavier exotic wood.
I do like the grip on the silvertip alot!!!I think its got some unique ergonomic features.Your hand slides right into it so nicely and naturally.Hard to explain really.But you will know it when you handle it.
The TIP
silvertip :thumbsup:
GDPolk, I didn't know Dave offered Silver Inlays. When did he start doing those?
Both bows are top shelf, ive owned 4 TTs and twice that many Silvertips. In the speed department personally im gonna have to go with the TTs. I like the grip on the Silvertip a little more but both are nice. Yes the Silvertip does have a little higher resale but alot higher initial cost for the same options as Brians bows id say around an average of 500.00 more for like bows,I have a Silvertip that new cost would be over 3000.00 today, checkering on both is very nice and either way youll be happy but to truly know how you feel you have to shoot and hunt them for at least a season so just plan on owning both. :bigsmyl:
Nothing I could offer will approach your own personal experience in shooting both.
It's a very personal decision that you need to make for yourself.
If it were me, I would get one, probably used and shoot it for a year or two until I have had a chance to shoot a bunch of bows in all models, (meanwhile saving $) then order the one that tickles your insides.
For me, the grip on my Silvertip is one of the nicest, bestest, comfiest grips on a bow I've ever held :) but grips are pretty subjective.
The reason I sold my TallTines was because of the grip. Grips are subjective though.
I have access to a TT to shoot but it's quite a bit heavier than I want to be shooting. I need to get my hands on a Tip to shoot.
I got that all bacote silvertip that used to be on the cover of their brochure and it was a real head turner absolutely stunning bow.....I know speed isn't everything but it was as slow as an old dog in the speed department, if you get a silver tip get the FF option it must be quicker,, or do they just reinforce the tips not sure..
if it was me and I already had a SS I might get the TT on this one.
Your contemplating two very nice bows. For most folks it probably wouldn't matter, both are great.
I've owned both (1 of each) but both were TDs though. Like Warden 609, I prefer the TD for extra weight and the possibility of changing limbs although I rarely take a TD apart unless I'm flying.
If you are like me you probably won't be satisfied until you've tried both. When I write "tried" I mean spent a few days at least, not just a few minutes at a show. I think these are two of the most similar bows I've ever owned.
Finally, and this is ENTIRELY personal and meant as a critique of ME not the bows, I owned a TT for 3 days and a Tip for 3-4 years. I think I let the TT go so quickly because I bought it used and I had waited nearly 16 months for the Tip. Also the Tip had the checkered grip which felt so nice in my hand.
Both are gone now as I have a strong preference for Blacktail Sitkas.
I've gone through a bunch of bows. The only one I regret selling was a Snakebit (Blacktail). I do feel a bit traitorous for having let the Tip go (because Dave and Beth are such nice people).
I have owned both. Two TT and a few Tips. I really liked the TTs. Then I got a Silvertip. Sold the TTs and now I own 6 Tips. For me it's all about the grip. Brian's bows are really nice. Just preferred the Tips. Cannot go wrong with either one IMO.
Owned both for a time. TT by a country mile.
Never had a tip but have had a TT 3 piece curve and a tundra longbow there nice bows but I ultimately love my widow smoothest thing I've ever touched .. I know it's not what you asked buuuuttttt .. thought I'd put my .02 in here, plus you can test drive one
That's a toss up honestly. I've gone with TallTines but you'll do just as well with either. If you are on a budget you'll find the newcomer black river bows to have a recurve very similar to both Schafer and TallTines and less of a wait/better price.
...I will say this though. Every Schafer I've shot was pure perfection in shootability...I haven't had that perfect consistency with TallTines not in a bad way just that each now seems to handle a little different where as all the tips are amazing. (All 5 tips and I've lost count on the TallTines)
All I can tell you is you cant go wrong with a Tip..period.
My buddies TT IS 56#@28" AND THAT THING SMOKE'S A ARROW!!! It's so much faster than my Stalker. Well I have no way to chronograph them but man is it noticable.
Steve Jr
QuoteOriginally posted by Keith Zimmerman:
GDPolk, I didn't know Dave offered Silver Inlays. When did he start doing those?
I may have got it wrong. I thought I've seen some with silver inlays. Could have my marbles falling out or it could have been an aftermarket thing. Either way I'd say they are both pretty fantastic bows.
I'd suggest test driving both before you decide. That's what I did. In the end, I decided on a Tall Tines but I'd have probably been happy with either.
There are a few things I like better about each bow: I like the way the limb butts are tapered with the riser on the Silvertip vs being rounded on the Tall Tines. I just think it looks better. I don't like the fact that with a Silvertip you have to order a Dymondwood riser for it to be fast flight compatible (covered by warranty). I'd probably give the nod on speed to the Tall Tines but I didn't shoot them through a chrono so that's really a W.A.G. Fit and finish seemed nearly equal which is a real compliment to the Tall Tines because I don't know that you'll find many bows that you can say beat a Silvertip in that department. And of course both Brian and Beth were great to deal with. So yeah...shoot both or flip a coin.
I don't think you could go wrong with either one. Back in 2004 I tried every recurve at ETAR and my choice came down to the Silver Tip and Palmer. I went with the Palmer but I'm sure I would have been happy either way.
When I ordered my first TT, I ordered it exactly the same as one of the current Fast Flight ST's that I had. Same length, same weight (55@28") and I put a clicker on both to draw 30". Thru the chronograph with the same arrows ranging from 485-640g the TT was 10-12 fps faster than the ST.
I find the grips similar with the TT getting the edge because of the locator on the backside to make it easier to have the exact same grip. Both are master wood workers and I'd be proud to have either checker my finest custom firearm. IMO the TT is a better value and the upcharge for exotics is as good as it gets. You pay for grade 1 and get am MUCH higher grade w/regard to figure.
Both Dave and Brian have always treated me as good as a customer could expect and I would trust them both. Good guys and I for one am glad there are these "difficult" decisions to make. :thumbsup:
I am very pleased with every one of my TallTines.
Thanks guys I really appreciate your input on this!
Steve Jr
Well, I only own one TT recurve and 3 Silvertip Recurves. I have the newer limb design on the TallTines. Not the only factor, but the bow is noticably faster pound for pound than my Silvertip. The grips are very different, but great in their own way. I suspect that this will be the main factor that makes you prefer one over the other. Longer wait time on the Silvertip, but there is a very large price difference, especially if you supply your own limb veneers and riser blocks. I like this option, and for a fancy flared riser, exotic veneers, checkering, tips, etc..., The cost ends up being just over half of what a Tip costs. Both great bows that will kill alot of critters.
In my experience, there was only a partial discount for providing my own exotics for a Schafer, and then for some reason there was an extra woodworking fee incorporated beyond the regular fee for the flared riser. Additionally, the extra cost of a flared option for the riser an checkering is much higher for the Schafer than the TallTines. Checkering may be a touch nicer on the Silvertip, but still very nice on the TallTines. Good luck with whatever you chose.
For me I try and take $$ and wait time out of the equation. Over the life of a bow it's not a big factor.
Ask yourself, if they were the same exact price and wait time which bow would you shoot? If you can, try both and decide based on the bow not $$
Personally if you take the $$ and wait time out it's not even a topic of conversation.
Just my opinion
For me I try and take $$ and wait time out of the equation. Over the life of a bow it's not a big factor.
Ask yourself, if they were the same exact price and wait time which bow would you shoot? If you can, try both and decide based on the bow not $$
Personally if you take the $$ and wait time out it's not even a topic of conversation.
Just my opinion
Unless you include the better performance, lol.
Seriously, it is far from a no-brainer for me even if you discount the difference in price and performance. The bow just has to feel right to you regarding the grip. Both bowyers create works of art. Which one will you shoot better under hunting or 3-D situations? Only you will be able to be the judge of that.
GdPolk,
Those Tips you saw with silver inlays belong to Keith and he had that done by a guy near him. :bigsmyl:
Is there any noticable difference in the smoothness of draw on either?
Steve Jr
QuoteOriginally posted by Danny Rowan:
GdPolk,
Those Tips you saw with silver inlays belong to Keith and he had that done by a guy near him. :bigsmyl:
And here I was thinking I might have lost my mind...well that may still be debatable. I did think I had seen some silver inlaid tips around though.
I find them both to be smooth, but that extra performance comes from somewhere. I think there is a little more preload on the TallTines. Some like it, some don't. Remember, I only have one TT, and it is with the new limb design, comparing it to my 3 Tips.
QuoteOriginally posted by pdk25:
I find them both to be smooth, but that extra performance comes from somewhere. I think there is a little more preload on the TallTines. Some like it, some don't. Remember, I only have one TT, and it is with the new limb design, comparing it to my 3 Tips.
I completely agree with Pat. Speed isn't free. The TT has a more aggressive draw force curve. You can feel the extra pre-load early in the draw cycle.
I agree with the above about smoothness/speed, etc.. everything with archery is a give and take. Simple physics
I also think the Schafer is smoother and a touch more stable as well
pdk25, what design changes did Brian make to his recurve limb and when? I didn't realize he had tweaked it. Just curious
He added some additional reflex to the tips, and really changed the wedges, with a reflexed taper.
Pat do you know when?
I think mine was either the first or second one, so just a couple months ago is when he started.
Thanks Pat
No problem. I will try to take some pics when I get home to show the difference of the wedges, since I bought some used limbs to go with the bow as well, and they are the older style.
This is some good info guys!
Steve Jr
(http://i.imgur.com/dlXoeOO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LViW0xj.jpg)
The limbs with the darker wedges are the new layup. Obviously you can only tell a little from these pics. I am sure there are subtle taper differences and so on.
Interesting. Did Brian say why he redesigned the limbs or what the main difference would be as far as how they shoot?
He just told me I might be the first with the new design. When he told me the changes, I assumed it would be for a little more performance, but I don't want to put words in his mouth. They sure are quick. It would be interesting to see a force-draw curve of the two designs side by side. I haven't really shot the other limbs much. The new ones seem just a touch quicker, but the specs are a little different, so I can't quantify it. Both shoot nice, but I prefer the newer limbs.
Never owned a SilverTip but maybe one day I will, had a TT it wasn't for me, so sold it. You do see TT bows come up for sale pretty often . So may want to pick up a used one to try.
Never owned a SilverTip but maybe one day I will, had a TT it wasn't for me, so sold it. You do see TT bows come up for sale pretty often . So may want to pick up a used one to try.
Crud. I don't have ANY of the new limb design. I feel left out!
Ha! If I know you, it won't be for long.
I was thinking the same thing as pdk25 :biglaugh:
Steve Jr
Another pic of the wedges/fades when strung up.
(http://i.imgur.com/3OG5opS.jpg)
Well thanks to (creekwood) and after the 4 hour drive to Iowa I'm the very proud owner of a 58" one pc Silvertip !!!! I can't wait to get home and put some arrows through it. If someone wants to post some pics of it I would be glad to email or text them to you. It's a beauty. The wife has me stopped at the casino now. Just dragging out the wait. :bigsmyl:
Steve Jr
Nice nice!!
Nice! Good luck with it. Very nice bows.
Well I finally made it home! This bow is a pure joy to shoot! It has I believe the rosewood with a zebra flare and checkered handle with zebra limbs and horn tips and it's fast flight. I will have to call Beth or Dave and give them the number on it and I'm sure they could tell me for sure. It really likes​ my 500 beaman classics. It's AWESOME!!!
Steve Jr
:thumbsup: Sounds like you did good!
Some pictures of Steve's Tip
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Very nice! Look forward to seeing it in some hero pics!
Thanks for posting the pics for me Jason. This bow shoots as good as it looks! I could not be happier. I hope to put some meat in the freezer with it this year. Maybe by that time I will actually learn how to post my own pictures :biglaugh:
Steve Jr
WoW! Shes a beauty! Congrats!
Nice...!!
Sweet looking bow.Love the one piece.
Enjoy!
A real "First World" problem
I will tell you I didn't think I could shoot a bow better that my Stalker Coyote FXT longbow, but after I have got the right arrows and nocking point set for myself this bow is shooting amazingly. It's almost like it won't let me miss!! I can't believe I didn't do this sooner!!
This is going to be a great relationship :thumbsup:
Steve Jr
Silvertip is the best bow on the market.