Monday I struck out into the swamp to plant the oak trees I have been nurturing for a year. Let me tell y'all that chit is work!!!!! lol
I planted 40 trees. Sawtooth, Swamp Chestnut, Water oak and Nutall.
I put tree tubes on half of them to see how well that works.
All on public land near my camp.
Staring a new crop of acorns to plant next year.
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Corey,
I love your passion for nature, man. Good to see you doing your part(and most of the wildlife agencies parts as well, haha). Oak Trees are a necessity especially with all the trees being forested and replanted with pines.
Now i'm ready to get whipped on a 3D course.!
Nice work :campfire:
I've,got some acorns saved that a friend gave me.
How long did it take to get that,size?.
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Appreciate the sentiment, but is it legal to plant on public land? Are you planting native species indigenous to the area, or could they be considered invasives?
Technically in many states it is, but i like what he is planting. As long as it is native to the area and beneficial, some public areas can use a little fresh stock. We do need to be aware of the invasive species threats when moving plants and wildlife around. The jumping carp for example, they have made it to Iowa and it is no longer safe to run up one of our rivers under power. Russian olives out west is another.
Sawtooth oaks are an invasive. Short term benefit, long term disaster.
I think most species of oak take 20-30 years before they provide mast.?
I did read that a seedling oak will stay small under canopy for years until it gets the proper light then it will start gaining size.
QuoteOriginally posted by Orion:
Appreciate the sentiment, but is it legal to plant on public land? Are you planting native species indigenous to the area, or could they be considered invasives?
I have permission from the head biologist!
Thank you for your concerns......
QuoteOriginally posted by Basinboy:
QuoteOriginally posted by Orion:
Appreciate the sentiment, but is it legal to plant on public land? Are you planting native species indigenous to the area, or could they be considered invasives?
I have permission from the head biologist!
Thank you for your concerns...... [/b]
Well Done :thumbsup:
Who has some pawpaw seeds? Ive been looking for one, but just cant find any.
I know the sawtooth is considered invasive, because it is not native. What is the downside of it, though?
I have set out some small oaks on my property, and I agree that it is a lot of work. I hope that whoever owns the place after I'm gone appreciates it.
Elevated fulfillment in pouring yourself into a worthy endeavor and seeing promising results.
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Time to shovel. We just go 31" of snow in 24 hours. Ugh.
Bravo ...!
QuoteOriginally posted by Sam McMichael:
I know the sawtooth is considered invasive, because it is not native. What is the downside of it, though?
I have set out some small oaks on my property, and I agree that it is a lot of work. I hope that whoever owns the place after I'm gone appreciates it.
Sam I copied this from the qdma:
The acorns fall early (mid-September) and they fall fast. Hunting opportunity around sawtooth oaks includes a few early days of archery season, and the nutritional output is very "vertical" – tall in quantity, narrow in time. Our sawtooths also appear to conform to a pattern displayed by many plants and animals: faster growth equals shorter lifespan. Our oldest sawtooths maxed out at a height of about 40 feet at 20 years of age, and now, approaching 30 years, a few are already showing signs of dying back. - See more at: https://www.qdma.com/4-qdm-lessons-learned-sawtooth-oaks/#sthash.B17o9lMi.dpuf
That being said, I don't put all my faith in one tree type. I plant varieties to give the wildlife acorns for a longer period.
I gathered a bunch of persimmon seeds from the trees in my area and I will be starting them soon. I also am swapping seeds that I have with friends that have oak acorns that I don't have available to me in my area.
Keep up the hard work! :thumbsup:
Great job!
:thumbsup: :clapper:
F-Manny
QuoteOriginally posted by Sam McMichael:
I know the sawtooth is considered invasive, because it is not native. What is the downside of it, though?
I have set out some small oaks on my property, and I agree that it is a lot of work. I hope that whoever owns the place after I'm gone appreciates it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_acutissima
http://www.invasiveplantatlas.org/subject.html?sub=10086
https://www.nps.gov/cue/epmt/products/Quercus%20acutissima%202012%20NCREPMT.pdf
Plenty more references thru Google. Not as bad as many other invasives, but still not a native tree and it does crowd out native species. Almost all introduced non-native species end up being a problem and are never worth the risk.
Hey basinboy I didn't realize you were on here too. I asked you about some swamp chestnut oaks on fb. I'm going to start some sawtooths this fall and also know where a few hidden stands of chestnuts are too so I might try some of them.
Fletcher I've never heard of sawtooth oaks being a long term disaster. Care to explain or share if you know something we should know? They're not native to the U.S. but tend to grow well in places a lot of trees can't survive. They also start producing acorns in five to six years of age which makes them the youngest mast producing oak tree and when they get some age on them they put out a lot of mast for their size. Those are all pluses for sure! I used to think they're the perfect oak, other than not being American!
Awe heck fletcher I didn't see the second page or I wouldn't have Posted. Lol
QuoteOriginally posted by Westkyhunter:
Hey basinboy I didn't realize you were on here too. I asked you about some swamp chestnut oaks on fb. I'm going to start some sawtooths this fall and also know where a few hidden stands of chestnuts are too so I might try some of them.
Fletcher I've never heard of sawtooth oaks being a long term disaster. Care to explain or share if you know something we should know? They're not native to the U.S. but tend to grow well in places a lot of trees can't survive. They also start producing acorns in five to six years of age which makes them the youngest mast producing oak tree and when they get some age on them they put out a lot of mast for their size. Those are all pluses for sure! I used to think they're the perfect oak, other than not being American!
I am still waiting for my friend that has me some swamp chestnuts to meet up so we can swap. I'd be more than happy to send you some of you would like. If you can get some chestnuts I'd like to get a few to plant.
From what I've read on the sawtooth oaks they have shorter life spans and will sprout and take over. But that has to be better than the Chinese Tallow tree that has taken over in my area.
I appreciate the offer but I have a few swamp chestnut oaks I'm gonna plant here at the house and will start some more this fall along with the others. I will send you some chestnuts but like I said it'll be this fall before I can get any and provided they have a good mast this year.
Fletcher is right on about sawtooths. They have the potential to become invasive. Westky your discription of them is correct. That is also the same discription as every other invasive plant that we fight. Bush honeysuckle, autumn olive, callery pear and many others are all heavy mast producers, start producing at young ages and easily germinated. They sure have the potential to be a PIA someday.
That's interesting meathead. I know several areas where the sawtooths have been planted as restoration projects by the state and although they have done pretty well they don't appear to have spread or crowd out any other trees or vegetation. It's something to keep in mind for sure though. Now autumn olives are another thing!! Those things just seem to appear overnight and really take up some space when mature! They do make some great bedding and foraging areas for most wildlife but I could see them taking over a place very very quickly!! Actually they do!! They make perfect natural ground blinds as deer almost always feel safe in and around them. I love the smell of them in spring turkey season. It gets me going as much as the thunderous gobbles sounding off from every nearby ridge!!
There have been some studies in the NE that have shown the plants moving around. Now they aren't moving near as fast as some others that have wind blown seeds or seeds that get moved around by birds. They are trees so it may be a long time before any firm conclusions could be made on it's invasiveness. The states use of these plants doesn't mean to much about it being a good plant. Autumn olive, bush honeysuckle were planted as wildlife friendly plants by many states.
Good luck with all of your plantings. I like to plant a few every year too. We planted 700 butternut, white and red oak last year. Now if I can just keep the deer from eating them until they can get up out of their reach.