Huge Snuffer fan, and now so is my son which has definitely put a strain on my aged supply. Had hoped some manufacturer would pick up this proven head, but I don't see 'em out there now that I'm in a position to replenish what I had. Just wondering if anyone's heard any glimmers of hope or if there are any remaining 160 grainers available anywhere?
Rando
Some on classifieds right now
Have to check on stock but...
Nocking point carries them
simplytraditional.net carries them
bravehart says they have the 100 grain
Raptor says they have the 125 grain
KustomKing has 100 grain
add some woody weights..?
maybe one of these places can set you up..
I can't find the big 160 grain anywhere. Sad to see this proven head go! I've been a big fan
fs arrows has some
pricey though
you can get 6 original woodsmans for the price of 3 snuffers
I emailed inquiring what they were trying to sell the company for but never heard anything back.
FS Archery wants $38 for 3 Snuffers, Wowsers!
I am convinced the Snuffer is dead as far as production goes. But it will live on as a legend and carefully stashed, thoughtfully used head for many decades to come. Much like a Deadhead IMO.
As a big fan of the Snuffer that makes me sad of course.
I'd think someone would pick up the tooling for the progressive punch ferrule die if nothing else. Don't know how they'd make the original woodsman if the ferrules dry up... they always used Snuffer ferrules for those as far as I know. Maybe three rivers will pick them up.
I chalk it up to the current "single bevel two blade" fad. Geeze, those big three blade heads aren't worth a crap.... some guy wrote an article, you know. You'll have plenty of cookie cutter look alike 1 inch wide two blade heads to choose from though.... in right AND left bevel.... :rolleyes:
I picked big Snuffers up and hoarded them over the years, always thinking "what if?"... I've got a lifetime supply at around 300 heads now... but I'll guard them closer than I used to, likely won't gift many anymore....
R
I've put in a phone call or three to Mr. Smith. I never heard anything back. I like my two blade Mag II's, Looks like they're on the same boat as the snuffers.
Yeah....I too kinda wish I wouldn't have sold my Snuffers...ESPECIALLY the 160s...and the ones I sanded down to the 125 width.....man I wish I had those still!!!!!
Enjoyed lot of fine action with snuffers.
http://www.simplytraditional.net/product/tvarchery/
$42 for 6 heads at Thunder Valley Simply Traditional.
Does anyone know if the equipment and name for sale?
I used to use Snuffers for a short time in the 160 grain glue on size. The 100 grain (125 with aluminum insert) are very weak compared to a glue on 160. Kustom King Trailmaker is a very good option if you want a strong 3 blade head if you can't find any vintage snuffers.
You guys made me think to check what I have left = 6 x 160's (installed on arrows) and a new pack of 6 x 145's.
Gees... eventually I may have to take some off of my "special kill" souvenir arrows!
I've got four of them left but a bunch of woodsmans also.
I'm not sure but it seems to me that today's trad bowhunters doubt the power of their recurves and longbows. Maybe it's because so many come from the compound world... lots of bad information about trad equipment floating around there.
It's almost as if they expect multiblade heads to bounce off of game. That sure hasn't been my experience.
As I age I've reduced the weight of the bows I shoot and I can tell you penetration is the least of my worries and I love huge 4 blade heads.
As Ryan stated, this has probably contributed to the demise of a fine broadhead. I don't use them, but sure hate to see them go.
QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I'm not sure but it seems to me that today's trad bowhunters doubt the power of their recurves and longbows. Maybe it's because so many come from the compound world... lots of bad information about trad equipment floating around there.
It's almost as if they expect multiblade heads to bounce off of game. That sure hasn't been my experience.
As I age I've reduced the weight of the bows I shoot and I can tell you penetration is the least of my worries and I love huge 4 blade heads.
As Ryan stated, this has probably contributed to the demise of a fine broadhead. I don't use them, but sure hate to see them go.
Agree 100%
QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I'm not sure but it seems to me that today's trad bowhunters doubt the power of their recurves and longbows. Maybe it's because so many come from the compound world... lots of bad information about trad equipment floating around there.
It's almost as if they expect multiblade heads to bounce off of game. That sure hasn't been my experience.
As I age I've reduced the weight of the bows I shoot and I can tell you penetration is the least of my worries and I love huge 4 blade heads.
As Ryan stated, this has probably contributed to the demise of a fine broadhead. I don't use them, but sure hate to see them go.
I AGREE.
Now I've been a bit guilty of this too..but...
I think a lot of us are setting up our gear to water buffalo standards just to hunt deer....and are still worried about our setups.
QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I'm not sure but it seems to me that today's trad bowhunters doubt the power of their recurves and longbows. Maybe it's because so many come from the compound world... lots of bad information about trad equipment floating around there.
It's almost as if they expect multiblade heads to bounce off of game. That sure hasn't been my experience.
As I age I've reduced the weight of the bows I shoot and I can tell you penetration is the least of my worries and I love huge 4 blade heads.
As Ryan stated, this has probably contributed to the demise of a fine broadhead. I don't use them, but sure hate to see them go.
Yep!!!
"I think a lot of us are setting up our gear to water buffalo standards just to hunt deer....and are still worried about our setups."
Yep....its obvious over the last few years...and I know why.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Yep....its obvious over the last few years...and I know why.
What's your theory Terry?
Personally I think it was the Ashby testings. (not knocking Mr. Ashby..they were interesting tests for sure)
Many of us figured what was "best" for buffalo must be "best" for other game...SOOOoooo not necessarily true.
I use the Kustom King Trailmaker for bows in the mid forty pound range with no problems. These were screwed into carbon arrows with brass inserts, so there was 225 grains up front total. Used these for whitetails and turkeys(those hollow bones and feathers can absorb a lot of arrow) without problems. Three blade heads are super easy to sharpen as well. One good file and a couple of flat diamond stones and you're in business very quickly and deadly sharp.
I think I'd just switch to VPA's. Awsome looking 3 blade.
I had sold off a bunch of my Snuffers a few years ago. Bought some the other day on the classifieds and happy to have some around again! Picked up some VPA'S 1 1/4" too, can't wait to try them out! Sad to see the Snuffers going away.
QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I'm not sure but it seems to me that today's trad bowhunters doubt the power of their recurves and longbows. Maybe it's because so many come from the compound world... lots of bad information about trad equipment floating around there.
It's almost as if they expect multiblade heads to bounce off of game. That sure hasn't been my experience.
As I age I've reduced the weight of the bows I shoot and I can tell you penetration is the least of my worries and I love huge 4 blade heads.
Very true Charlie.. I can think of several guys like that. Well said.
As Ryan stated, this has probably contributed to the demise of a fine broadhead. I don't use them, but sure hate to see them go.
Very well said. I couldn't agree more.
can someone post a pic of a snuffer
Zradix.....you and Charlie covered it.
Agreed - not sure there are any new designs or re-designs that do anything more effectively than a Snuffer can on 95% of the game we (or I) hunt... Don't get me wrong, I know there are a lot of excellent broadheads out there, but honestly not tons of improvement on proven designs that've been around for a lot of years. I love the looks & durability of the machined-heads, but I honestly have a hard time financing 'em.
Really enjoy the Rothhaar legacy behind the Snuffer too - classics!
Rando
While the average whitetail is oft-times thought of as "big game", compared to elk, moose or the great bears it is more a "medium sized" game. Any decent sharp broadhead-tipped arrow shot from a 40# trad bow is capable of a pass-thru at typical trad yardages (12-20 yards) if bone is not encountered. There has been a lot of misconception spread about by modern archery equipment manufacturers about what is necessary to take a whitetail but let's remember many of those guys are shooting ultralight carbon arrows with expandable points at distances up to 60 yards...this is not the fault of the manufacturers, but rather, the fault of trad shooters trying to apply high-tech logic to trad hunting equipment and distances.
I don't and won't blame Ashby's findings for people not doing their homework on the type of game, equipment and distances they are actually hunting with.
Those VPA 1 1/4" 250gr heads look pretty nice! I've been wanting to give the 1.5" big Jim heads a try too just haven't been shooting 300 grains up front for a while
I was very fortunate to pick up 5 of the original 160 grain Rothhaar head a few years ago in the classifieds here. It's definitely a huge head. They fly great out of my 50# bows. It's always sad to see a great product fall by the wayside, hopefully someone will pick it up and start making them again.
I shot a deer for the first time this past season with a Snuffer and I will admit I was worried about shooting that big head out of a 50 lb recurve. It went through with no problems and left an excellent blood trail. I'm going to have to take care of the 3 I have.
I bought a bunch of them off the auction site when they were $24-28 for six. Glad I did.
Deadheads, Ribtek, snuffers, and now I'm hearing rumors about STOS heads fading away! If I'm wrong please correct me! I'm glad I have a few snuffers squirreled away, but its too bad they wont be as easy to find for others to try. I'm sure the publicity of Ashby's report haven't helped multi blade heads in recent years. I think all this shows why its important to stock up on heads you like when you can. You never know when they may disappear. I still kick myself over the arrow I had growing up with a deadhead on it. It was the only one I had and I used to shoot it into a milk jug full of sand to practice hunting groundhogs at my grandparents farm. Last time I saw it it was leaning against the wall in their tractor shed. I had no idea what I had on the to of that arrow!
I am Thrilled that I was able to locate & buy the last 1/2 dozen of the 160 gr. Snuffers that The Footed Shaft had... paid a bit more than I have in the past for 'em, but understandably so! Really hope someone'll resurrect production of these great heads. How come as I age the past keeps disappearing??
Rando
160 Snuffers are my favorite turkey heads. I have around 3 dozen, should last me a while. Got a couple dozen 125's too, just have to change my setup when I run out of 160's I guess, lol
Without going into a lot of detail I have reason to believe Snuffers (and Magnus Classics) will return to production at some point in the future. No idea on when but I think we will see them again.
That is good news. Hope you are right
C
Yup!!! Wish I had the time, space, and know-how to build quality broadheads... I'd definitely try to bring 'em back. Hoping you're right that they may come back again.
Rando
QuoteOriginally posted by BowHunterGA:
Without going into a lot of detail I have reason to believe Snuffers (and Magnus Classics) will return to production at some point in the future. No idea on when but I think we will see them again.
I sure hope you are right Steve. Hate to see the Snuffer fade away.
I think it would take somebody with a deep pocket and a lot of business sense to pull it off though.
I was thinking I was sitting in pretty good shape until Ryan said he had around 300 stashed away!! :notworthy:
I find it very fitting though, and it pleases me that a family tradition will be able to be carried on for many decades even if production never starts up again.
Take Care,
Tom
I have fond memories from the early to mid eighties when Roger came to Waltonian Archers here in Toddville, Iowa to share his expertise in hunting & the snuffer heads. Many a stretched hide & rubber band jig were pierced with the glow of the fire crackling as a back drop :campfire: . My buddy and I snatched some up in awe & dreams were lit... I wish I still had some of those original heads. I now have 250 grain VPA 1-1/4" 3 Blade screw-on heads & may someday try the 300 Grain 1-1/2" 3 Blade units.. Thank you Roger for the expertise & memories :clapper: