i dont understand why im having a problem with this, im shooting carbons, i heat the glue up with lighter then again once on insert then install, the inserts keep pulling out after about twenty shots
Are you cleaning the inserts and the insides of the shaft good?
ya
It's the best I've used. Maybe a bad batch.
I have used Jim's hotmelt on woodies, and also with my carbons. Amazing hot melt as far as strength and durability. If inserts are the right size, it should work with properly preparing.
thinking of it i wasent cleaning the shafts, what should i use and would this be the cause?
I like to use a new and clean .27 cal copper wire bore brush on a handle, to lightly scuff the inside of the shaft. Then with q-tips use Denatured Alcohol and wipe clean. Then run a dry one in. With a clean insert, a thin smear all the way around it of quick stick. Holds very well.
I use acetone or denatured alcohol. Make sure you clean the inside of the shaft and also the insert as well.
would isopropyl alcohol work?
Never had that problem but I don't use a lighter, use blow torch or alcohol burner.
That stuff is the best!
That stuff works so good I quit cleaning the components. Though I'm sure I'll clean hunting hunting arrows before assembly.
I'm using the Three Rivers Trad only shafts and those are the harder to make something stick to. The are slick inside and out. Big Jim hot melts works on them.
Tedd
I use the stove burner when Sue isn't looking and I scuff as well. Soon as they cool I shoot. No problems
I use the stove burner when Sue isn't looking and I scuff as well. Soon as they cool I shoot. No problems
Sorry for the double tap
QuoteOriginally posted by nhbuck1:
would isopropyl alcohol work?
I only clean with denature alcohol..no oils in it.
Works great.
Id the glue you are using this one:
https://bigjimsbowcompany.com/product/quick-stick-hot-melt-glue/
If not, you have the wrong glue! I have used this stuff on GT and Easton FMJ shafts, without cleaning anything, and have never lost one single insert! If I use full length shafts, I usually don't clean at all. If I cut the shaft, I use a Q-Tip soaked in 90% isopropyl alcohol to clean the inside of the shaft.
Bisch
QuoteOriginally posted by nhbuck1:
would isopropyl alcohol work?
NO. Its called rubbing alcohol as it has some oil in it. Stick with denatured alcohol or acetone. Clean both shaft and insert. I like to get the metal insert hot so the glue can stick good then coat with a film of Big Jim's hot melt, insert the insert then 1/2 a twist, spin for true then dunk in cool water. Done quickly so not to overheat the carbon.
All I use,never had a problem
Terry
All I've used .. Has been great.
It didn't work for me either, nor does jb weld. Gorilla glue works best for me.
I have problems with it too. I clean inside shaft and insert with acetone too. I'm using gold tip shafts and 50gr brass inserts. I suspect it is the inserts though because they slide in real easy. I don't know, but the stuff really frustrates me. I've had them pull out of bag targets!!! I love it for tuning though. Makes it easy. I've suspected it is made by point and insert companies cause it has sure made them money off of me.
Yesterday I watched Big Jims video on using it and him shooting into pine trees with it. I would have lost all points and inserts if I'd have done that. I wish I could figure it out.
Super glue for me on carbons. Clean them and glue them. Quicker and less messy. Never had any to come apart on normal everyday shooting.
Never had any problem with it either. I liked it for tuning because they were easy to get out. Once I have them the way I like them I use the Gorilla glue version of super glue,it's just faster and easier,and it holds really well also.
I have problems with it too. I clean inside shaft and insert with acetone too. I'm using gold tip shafts and 50gr brass inserts. I suspect it is the inserts though because they slide in real easy. I don't know, but the stuff really frustrates me. I've had them pull out of bag targets!!! I love it for tuning though. Makes it easy. I've suspected it is made by point and insert companies cause it has sure made them money off of me.
Yesterday I watched Big Jims video on using it and him shooting into pine trees with it. I would have lost all points and inserts if I'd have done that. I wish I could figure it out.
Big Jim's is the best there is. I don't think I've lost an insert since I started using it a couple years ago. I don't prep either.
sounds like you need more heat
Your inserts should slide in your shaft with just a little pressure..not much at all, but they shouldn't just fall in and certainly not rattle around.
Need to clean the shaft and the insert as has been said.
A lighter always seems to leave soot on the glue for me.
The soot floats to the surface of the glue.
Basically puts a nice coat of graphite between the glue and whatever you're trying to adhere to.
I use an alcohol burner to negate that.
...actually I use a small metal cap from a Hoppe's gun solvent bottle. Put a little methanol in it, light it and use the flame.
...I don't recommend doing that..you spill a flaming cup of alcohol and you could have a real problem.
I happen to have a steel table in the middle of a concrete room with nothing flammable around...cept me (welding table)
anyway..the alcohol gives a nice soot free flame.
As long as you don't burn the glue (just hot and slightly bubbly) you'll be good.
Dont use acetone on carbon shafts either. Denature or 91% iso.
QuoteOriginally posted by Pointer:
Big Jim's is the best there is. I don't think I've lost an insert since I started using it a couple years ago. I don't prep either.
Same here. I just heat the insert and the glue with a torch, make sure the glue is runny hot, stick them together. One thing that may be causing problems is if you twist the inserts in. I've had the best luck just jamming them straight into the shaft then letting them cool. Great stuff!
I use an alcohol burner, heat the insert and the glue, apply glue to insert, heat the insert again and slide it in, let it cool and peel off the roll that comes out. I watched big jim's video and he holds the insert with his fingers so I know I'm at least that hot. I screw in a point and hold it with channel locks. I shot today and had one pull out from a bag target. Big Jim shoots them into a pine tree with an 80 lb bow and they don't pull out. I'm wondering if I got a bad stick. I gotta tell you guys, I've called the stuff some names and it ain't " great wonderful stuff".
I have never had any problems with Big Jim's glue. I do clean out points before using them. I burn them out in the flame and then wipe any soot that may accumulate.
No issue here either: I simply heat the insert lightly and quicly with a propane torch, then rub the insert on the glue using pliers, position in the shaft and then cool instantly in water
F-Manny
It's the best I've found to date. Never any issues yet after 4 years. Try switching from your lighter to a torch.
Agree the lighter can be the problem, denatured alcohol burner for me.
I can't tell you for sure what is causing your problem.
I will say that I only clean CX shafts...never anything else as I've not found it necessary. I very never had to score them either. We always use a torch, but I'm sure that is not necessary. ..maybe it's the lighter. We don't skimp on glue either.....that's it...period. never all call back either.
Thanks, bigjim
Let me guess. They are Gold Tips. For some reason they are hard to keep the inserts in. I now shoot Centershots and have NEVER lost an insert. Bill
Yes, gold tips. I can 5 min epoxy them in and end of problem but lose the flexibility of making changes.
And, cool down the fix with cool water before going further. Never had a single problem with Big Jim's hotmelt on my woodies, but hot melt can, and will, expand and move stuff when cooling, if you don't control the cooling.
Not that I want you thinning the availability of my beloved wood shafts NHbuck... but honestly. you might be a candidate for shooting wood.. More simple, which, if I may be so bold, suggest it might make things easier for you.
be sure and rough up the inside of the shaft, it will stick fine then.
I only shoot gold tips and never have a problem with the inserts coming out. I never clean the shafts or rough the up either. As I said earlier, I suspect that either your not getting enough glue or not getting the glue hot enough....just a guess cause I've not had a problem.
BigJim
I'm guessing I wasn't getting them hot enough with the alcohol burner. I put one in yesterday with a torch. It was definitely hotter. I'll keep going that route. Thanks for the help guys.