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I got the.204 ID  Black Eagle Rampage shafts recently. Preliminary testing is impressive. They sound solid when you grab a handful. I never had a shaft that was so quick to bare shaft tune. I was shooting a bare shaft at 35 yard better than my last arrows would do fletched!
I have plenty of tuning built in to go up or down in point wt and shaft cutting.I didn't care for the stainless steel inserts they sent and the nock throats are pretty tight.
Right now they are at 650 grains with the following recipe -
Easton X nocks
50 gr HIT inserts
1" aluminum arrow footing
250 gr Grizzly
I shot the 250 gr grizzly bare shaft at 20 yards just fine. I believe there is something about the Black Eagle construction and composition that makes them behave better out of a traditional bow?? They seem really forgiving.
I noticed my last shafts had a white colored lamination when they broke. I broke several, durability of those was poor. And it cost me a deer.    (http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p714/tas0323/Mobile%20Uploads/462D00AF-663A-4CB3-A353-27F97F2F5461_zpswrfhrh61.jpg)
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BTW the ugly logo wipes off easily with acetone. Forgot to mention mine are the .300 spine.

Look like the business! Which shaft were you using before these?

I just started using the vintage shafts myself. They are the most consistent shaft I have ever played with. Over the 30 arrows that I bought, there is less than 3 grains difference from the heaviest to the lightest and they are grouping significantly tighter than the last company that I was using.

Looking good, that Kodiak is mean looking.

I just finished tuning the black eagle x-impacts for very high foc, 674gr with 29.8% foc, 350gr grizzly  kodiak head/insert. Now to start stumping and check durability.

Still shooting my widow makers and like them a lot, super tough and quiet.

Have used the Outlaw and Carnivore shafts. Currently shooting the Vintage shafts. All good arrows!

Batman, those are standard 185 Grizzlys with a 75 gr insert. Thinking about using Simmons Treeshark next year.

Those tree sharks really make a HOLE.

The Black Eagles have been the toughest carbon I've ever owned. I've never heard of the Rampage.

Currently shooting Carnivores and hunting with Zombie Slayers because they are still kicking after several years. I've yet to break one. I only lose them. lol

My wife and several friends shoot Outlaws. Another solid arrow and I love the higher weight. I've currently testing some Vintage 350s. I thought the 400s a bit brittle. The 350s seem really solid.

I just received some 350sp Vintages to test out of my Robertson Peregrine. Plan is to try three with Brass inserts and 30gr added weight then throw on 200gr Cutthroats. Another three without the 30gr added weight and see where I end up tuning wise. So far the consistency of weight between them is +/- 2gr before building them out

I have been carrying Black Eagle arrows for several years now, they are all I use for the custom carbon arrows that I sell and they are the only carbons I shoot myself. I currently am shooting the Vintage and the Outlaw but I have shot all of them at one point or another and I too believe they are some of the toughest carbons out there. The Outlaw at $70 a dozen are IMHO the best bargain out there for top quality carbon shafts for a bargain price. If anyone is interested in trying any of the Black Eagle shafts let me know and I will hook you up. I primarily stock the Outlaws and the Vintage shafts but I can get anything and usually within two days. You can email me at Sales@simplytradiional.net or PM me here. Also, mention you saw this on TradGang and I will take an additional 10% off the regular cost of shafts. Black Eagle Outlaws would then be $63 a dozen, .003 tolerance Vintage shafts would be $90.

Please let me know if you have any questions and I will try my best to answer them.

Thanks, Excellent! I didn't know you carried them. I'm not done experimenting. I'll order some other sizes and spines from you soon. Must they always be purchased by the dozen?

Thanks,
Tedd

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Thanks, Excellent! I didn't know you carried them. I'm not done experimenting. I'll order some other sizes and spines from you soon. Must they always be purchased by the dozen?

Thanks,
Tedd

I prefer to sell by the dozen especially if it is a model I do not normally stock but if it is a spine and model I keep in stock then I can work with you.

Steve has made all of mine. I've never dropped a fletch.

I run a 200g Tuffhead up front and a 160g Magnus.

This is my setup this year and these have taken two antelope and a couple whitetails this fall.

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Vintage Shafts, 250 grain 1 piece stainless steel adapter/insert from Jon Hand, 150 grain Magnus Classic Single bevel and 2" of 2219 footing. Makes one tough arrow.

Do they offer a 200 spine shaft? Got a 70# bow in the works that will need something stiff

The Outlaws sound like exactly what I need. Do they use standard components like Gold Tip and Beman etc?(nock/inserts)

would be using 400 spine

QuoteOriginally posted by Bryan pinick:
The Outlaws sound like exactly what I need. Do they use standard components like Gold Tip and Beman etc?(nock/inserts)

would be using 400 spine

Yes they do.

QuoteOriginally posted by Matabele:
Do they offer a 200 spine shaft? Got a 70# bow in the works that will need something stiff

I will have to check on that one. You must have a lot of weight up front. I use 350 spine from my mid 70# longbows.

I see it said not to use hot melt is the blue cold melt ok?

I'm sick of trying to use plastic wrap to hold points in while I bare shaft always end up searching a target for a point and insert.

I use big jim's hot melt. The stuff is low temp and really holds. Swapped inserts a dozen times on my test arrow just this morning.
Actually, I think all carbon shafts say don't use hot melt.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Matabele:
Do they offer a 200 spine shaft? Got a 70# bow in the works that will need something stiff

I will have to check on that one. You must have a lot of weight up front. I use 350 spine from my mid 70# longbows. [/b]

That's interesting you say that. I'm moving up in draw weight and the spine calculators are suggesting that amount of stiffness, seemed pretty stiff to me though. I'm looking at putting about 350gr up front for a 10gr/lb arrow. Do you think I could drop down in spine? Bow is a static limb recurve and should be about 72#@27".

Matabele,
You can probably make either spine fly. One might use a lot more point weight than the other.  If you try a .300 your finished arrow will bee 700 gr +.  Are you hunting african game?
My bow is 63#@31" After today's testing and finally having some daylight to shoot in... I added a little weight. Mine are near 700 grains for best flight.

I would like to try the Renegade in .350. Also  might order the Rampage shaft in .300 which is pretty must the same thing but lighter GPI. For deer a 630 gr shaft would be heavy enough.

I'm shooting .300 Outlaws with my 85# Northern Mist longbow. I don't think I'd want to draw a bow requiring .200 spine.
Thom

Thanks for the replies guys, I'm going to get a couple of weaker spine shafts and give it a try.

Edit: Just seen your question Tedd, but yep African game is a definite possibility in the future. Just looking for a heavy all rounder I can count on for everything. Those Vintage shafts look slick too!

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QuoteOriginally posted by BowHunterGA:
   

QuoteOriginally posted by Matabele:
Do they offer a 200 spine shaft? Got a 70# bow in the works that will need something stiff

I will have to check on that one. You must have a lot of weight up front. I use 350 spine from my mid 70# longbows. [/b]

That's interesting you say that. I'm moving up in draw weight and the spine calculators are suggesting that amount of stiffness, seemed pretty stiff to me though. I'm looking at putting about 350gr up front for a 10gr/lb arrow. Do you think I could drop down in spine? Bow is a static limb recurve and should be about 72#@27". [/b]

I have my 350s cut to 31" with 450 up front and shoot them from two of my 73# longbows. I am however using 2" of footing so that makes them behave more like a 29" shaft.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Matabele:
 

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Originally posted by Matabele:
Do they offer a 200 spine shaft? Got a 70# bow in the works that will need something stiff

I will have to check on that one. You must have a lot of weight up front. I use 350 spine from my mid 70# longbows. [/b]

That's interesting you say that. I'm moving up in draw weight and the spine calculators are suggesting that amount of stiffness, seemed pretty stiff to me though. I'm looking at putting about 350gr up front for a 10gr/lb arrow. Do you think I could drop down in spine? Bow is a static limb recurve and should be about 72#@27". [/b]

I have my 350s cut to 31" with 450 up front and shoot them from two of my 73# longbows. I am however using 2" of footing so that makes them behave more like a 29" shaft.

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Thanks for the info! Have sent you a PM.