With all the recent pics of different ground blind setups I figured I'd throw a few pics of mine on here too for critique. Edit: forgot to add a thank you to Joe Skipp for his advice on ground setups. So thank you Joe Skipp!
At full draw in color
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and in black-n-white
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m238/byerswolfe/bwasatgbdraw.jpg)
another bw pic
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The funny thing is that the above pics were taken in late afternoon with the sun low on the horizon creating a lot of shadows. So the asat leafy suit seems to work great. But, in this one taken just after the sun dipped below the horizon, it doesn't work so great. You can clearly pick out the form of the hunter. Maybe I need some more background cover or just lighter clothes. lol
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m238/byerswolfe/106_3057.jpg)
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Stay still and move slow when you need to. Your blind looks great.
I have used ASAT Ultimate 3D for years with great sucess on deer and turkey.
I have found that setting up in front of cover works best for me.
John III
Thanks JDS3. The more I look at the pics, the more I think I need more a thicker background screen. I have lots of tree tops and such from the recent storms I could drag over behind me.
I still think your human form is pretty well-camoed even after the shadows are gone. Feel free to share the tips Joe Skipp gave you too!
Still looks good to me....might be interesting to see what you look like in front of the blow down, rather than behind it. I also try to setup with the cover behind me.
Looks real good...now all you have to do is wait for the right shot opportunity and bring home some venison.. :thumbsup: :pray:
Thanks for the replies!
I'm actually sitting on a green plastic lawn chair. So the downed tree is just the right height to conceal it completely. I'm only about 17 yds. from a trail the deer generally use when they pass through, so I don't think I should setup any closer.
Quotenow all you have to do is wait for the right shot opportunity and bring home some venison.
Hopefully Joe, it's been a while.
Well it looks like it's back to the drawing board. I was sitting in this spot this evening and it took and old doe about thirty seconds to put the bee on me. She came in from the worst possible direction(like deer have an uncanny knack for doing as you all know lol), and was too close. I think she honed in on my breath vapors or maybe caught my scent, but she stomped, blew, and departed.
At any rate, I'll leave this place alone for a while and focus on a different spot, then maybe come back and try to improve this one. Any ideas?
btw Now I know why deer hunting is tough for lots of folks in the northwoods, I've been educating them quite a bit. :knothead:
Did you cover your face at all? It shows up pretty good in the first pic.
Yep VM, my face was covered. I still think I need a better backdrop. It would be nice if blowdowns would occur exactly where you want them.lol
You can always give her a helping hand.
Thats true. I plan to plant some pines around my place to have some better late season cover, so felling some of the aspens would prolly be good to give the pines some light during the growing season.
Don't give up on the spot because one doe spotted you - the next deer might not.
One thing I thought I would mention is the type of chair your using. Make sure you can draw back while sitting in it. I like the fold up camp chairs without arms; and the three legged chairs for pop-up blinds. You can shoot without moving your body; and come to a full draw in more positions. ( at least when your 6-3 and shoot a longbow). :)
I would shoot out of the blind with a blunt tip to make sure you can pull back; and take the shots you plan to make. Amazing how twigs and branches grow up in the way just at the shot :)
I use 100% ground blinds and also the camo material. I also cut a lot of pine and tie the branches into the blind to give me that extra coverage. But again when a deer gets to close it is almost no way they will not see, feel and scent you. I just also tie a small feather onto the bow so I can see the wind direction at all times. As they say aim small, miss small and always have the wind in your face...
I agree with the above post on don't give up the spot becasue one deer spotted you.
I also agree with not enough back cover. I've always hunted on the ground but until this season mostly still hunted. I made several groundblinds this season and what I found is you can never have to much back cover. I've went about 50/50 half my spots I have not been busted and the other half i got busted almost every time out.
On the spots that i was getting busted alot I was tring to hide behind big red oak trees and this didn't work at. when the deer came from behind me they saw me sticking out like a sore thumb and when the came in fromthe frontthey couls somehow still see me.
The spots that did great were actually spots i thought i would get busted. I had one spot where I got 4 shots in one morning and the deer never no i was there.I'll se if i can find the pic. the spot dosn't look like much but deer have come in from all driections without spooking .
We've all been busted one time or another. Never give up, just make some adjustments to the blind.
If the doe came in downwind and picked up a strange scent...well...them old does "ain't stupid". Keep your movement to a minimum, check out the area thoroughly before making any movements or shifting positions.
Thanks for the encouragement and help! I'm not giving up, only pulling back a bit to figure my next move. I am a little frustrated and doubtful of my setup now though, cause I didn't move a muscle as the doe came in.
I'll tell you what! This ground hunting sure isn't as easy as some of you guys make it look. :notworthy:
I think your set-up is just fine. If you want my honest opinion,(OK so I'll give it to you anyway LOL) I think she smelled you. The breath vapors "may" have given you away also,but my #1 gut feeling is she smelled you.
I have been at this Ground Hound gig a LONG time LOL. Do NOT abandon your set-up!!!!! You can tell your set-up is good because she got so close in the first place!!!!! One thing that you CANNOT change is the wind. However.....You can learn to work around it,OR learn to let it work FOR YOU!!!!! By using scents and lures you can cover your scent and cause the deer to focus thier attention elsewhere.
Hang In There!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!
QuoteOriginally posted by woodchucker:
I think your set-up is just fine. If you want my honest opinion,(OK so I'll give it to you anyway LOL) I think she smelled you. The breath vapors "may" have given you away also,but my #1 gut feeling is she smelled you.
I have been at this Ground Hound gig a LONG time LOL. Do NOT abandon your set-up!!!!! You can tell your set-up is good because she got so close in the first place!!!!! One thing that you CANNOT change is the wind. However.....You can learn to work around it,OR learn to let it work FOR YOU!!!!! By using scents and lures you can cover your scent and cause the deer to focus thier attention elsewhere.
Hang In There!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!
You may be right, it was pretty still at the time. Usually it blows at angle from my front to back, and blows the scent away from the direction the deer usually come from. My breath was coming out pretty fast at the time too. lol That's why I wasn't sure if she scented me or just noticed the growing cloud of vapor.
I hope this works- my North Dakota ground blind. . . I will post results next pci if this works.
Dan
try again
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See the hole in the middle- my ground blind is back in there ten yards
This deer walked into the brush and gave me an 8 yd. shot. 135" 190#
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KSdan that looks similar to a place I used to hunt. Shot a deer at 4 yards as it walked across that small opening. Sat in the water in a pothole one time to shoot my first spike at 6 yards. Might have to get back at that ground hunting!
KSdan, that spot looks great! Sweet buck too!
By the looks of it I'm guessing that it was earlier in the season. It would be great to have that much cover around here now.
Yup- mid september. That blind/spot of brush is next to a 1/4 section slough of grass and water. Those deer live in those sloughs. No trees to speak of- everything is off the ground there. The deer was a gift on my last night there.
QuoteOriginally posted by BamBooBender:
... It would be nice if blowdowns would occur exactly where you want them.lol
Thats why god invented chain saws! :p :p
KSDan
Either your 3 feet tall; or that is one huge buck !!! Congrats either way :)
I am 6'4" 215#. Yes- huge buck- one of the biggest/lankiest bodies I have ever seen. That was september- I just wonder what he would have looked like in Nov. during the rut with a swollen neck. He has had the stamina to make it over 250yds with a pure double lung shot (yes I even did an autopsy and centered BOTH lungs) Amazing critter.
I have to ask???? For those of you that suggested putting the brush behind you..how do you get drawn if you don't have something in front? I had 2 mature does at about 17 steps last evening with nothing between them and me but air. Never could find an opportunity to get drawn. Thanks in advance.
God bless,Mudd
I could see in your first color picture that your face sticks out like a sore thumb even though you are wearing a mask.
I wear glasses when I hunt so I have trouble with masks fogging up my glasses. I've switched to a 1/2 mask and color the rest of my face with burned cork. I've had a small flock of turkes inside of 5 yards away from where I'm sitting in a blow down.
By the way I am using the TCS Ghilly from Cabelas.
I also carry a small squeeze bottle with unsented talk powder in it to check the wind.
Recurve50lbs, the pics were just staged quickies, so I didn't bother to completely cover my face. I do cover my face when hunting.
I noticed the face also....do you have the face mask pulled below your nose???
Mudd...if hunting trails I prefer cover behind and pretty open in front..idea being I'm hoping to get a quartering away shot at deer moving down trail...hunting food source, I like to also have some cover in front. I haven't been having much luck with the deer reading the rules however.
Mudd...good question, here is how I do it.
I stay alert, when I see deer heading my way I get into my "ready position". That is I put the lower limb of my bow rested on the top of my boot. I keep my bow right in front of me and my elbws in. As the deer "commit" to coming in my shooting lane, I raise my bow, again be sure to keep your elbows in. DON'T LET THEM BREAk THE PLANE OF YOURSIDES. Lastly, I draw, again keeping the elbows in as much as possible. This has worked for me many times, and I have had deer stand at 10 yards and watch me come to full draw on them with nothing between us but air. Having good camo, wind in your face, and good cover behind is the key, as well as moving slow and keeping your elbows and arms in. I should add that the deer I am hunting are NOT pressured. Oh and you can get away with some movement if deer are moving, especialy if they are trotting. They just don't seem to pick up on movement nearly as well in this situation. Another thing I have found that really helps is if the wind is blowing strong and the cover behind you is moving around a lot, you can get away with TONS of movement as well. If things are perfectly still it's more difficult.
Derek
Bam boo,
Your set up looks great to me. I was just pointing out that your face stuck out. I just thought that I'd point this out and offer a tip I use for the sake of maybe helping some one out. I understand that your pics were staged quickies just to show us. Your set up is simmilar to my oak blow down I've been sitting in this season.
Good luck and good hunting.
James the biggest factor and I found out the hard way is to paint your face or get a face mask. Breaking up your outline and the ASAT does a great job is perfect. The only thing I would do is have something behind me to break it up even more. When you move, move slow, use your eyes, try to be like and Owl.Last Saturday afternoon I had two does that had no clue who or what I was. I was in a tree stand but I wear a plaid shirt and original faded out Tree Bark pants, with a face mask. A fawn and her year and a half old momma.They didn't even stomp at me. They walked around me relaxed for what seemed like forever.
Opps I see you do use a face mask . Nevermind. Just go back there and wack one.
Made some improvements to the setup, and sat in it again this evening. Didn't get busted this time. Two does and a yearling came into view about the time I was considering heading in. I waited for an opportunity to draw as they milled around for a bit, but it never came. It seemed like they were taking turns watching out while the others were searching for food (I guess). If one had it's head behind a tree the others were in the open. Sheesh! Their tactics work really well. One doe offered a good broadside shot, but by that time I had to concede that it was too dark. So round two goes to the does again. At least I didn't get busted
straight away this time, and I like to watch deer up close. Hopefully a lone buck or doe will come by again before Nov 15th.
Thanks again for everyones help
James
This time of the year when there's does you always have to think a buck is lurking close by too.Having six eyes looking is always tough. Not to change the subject a few years back during winter bow in Jersey I had a herd of 7 or 8 does practically under my tree .Boy was Bucky POed at me for not shooting but I just couldn't just too many eyes watching me.[The killer hangover didn't help either]