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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Hatrick on November 18, 2016, 08:59:00 PM
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This is one I just finished. I know that many feel the reverse riser is either ugly or just doesn't look "right." I've done several with this type riser. That is, with the extended wood section at the sight window. I'd like some good old honest opinions as to whether you like the riser section or not. Last pic shows what I mean.
This one is action bamboo core with bacote veneers on the back and green glass on the belly. Bacote riser with some brown/black phenolic stripes. Tip wedges are red phenolic. 66" and hit my weight at 48# @ 28".
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%201_zps4lxo4ajb.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%201_zps4lxo4ajb.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%205_zps5grvwvvv.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%205_zps5grvwvvv.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%203_zpsxdgvk9zb.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%203_zpsxdgvk9zb.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%206_zpswkuqlhyu.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%206_zpswkuqlhyu.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%204_zpsurzkfrwq.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%204_zpsurzkfrwq.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/Hatrick/AWreverse%202_zpsi1q5pi3q.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hatrick/media/AWreverse%202_zpsi1q5pi3q.jpg.html)
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Beautiful!
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UGLY as SIN.......you should send it to me so it can be disposed in a proper fashion....... :saywhat: Honestly.....it is just beautiful......my kind'a bow. Well done!! :thumbsup:
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Like it... I really enjoy the reverse handle and that looks like a beauty enjoy her
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I do like it.
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Great work, its a beauty. I like that taper in the riser.
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I'm not a Hill style bow fan, but honestly have to say that is the most beautiful one i've seen! And I don't make it a habit of saying that.
You know the guy that no matter what it is he's always saying "that's the best hot dog i've ever ate!" or that's the best i've ever been to" well that's not me i'm more likely to tell you, you miss a spot :rolleyes:
Great Job!
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She's a beauty. I've never shot a reverse handle Hill style.
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The bow finish and limb lines a beautiful. Love the brown color. Two things in my opinion only I would want different. First, in ASL longbows I like simple one piece risers instead of accent stripe. Two, I prefer the clean line of the back of the upper glass limb melting into the handle like it does on the lower limb instead of stopping an inch or so short to create the sight window. I love the way your handle is full like my Berry Northstar.
As I said those are just my personal preferences and you have an overall beautiful looking bow. The real proof is how it shoots because that's the real beauty of ASL's
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Very nice work. I can honestly say I like everything about the bow, especially wood choices... :thumbsup:
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Its a beauty, great craftsmanship...but to me its about performance and feel first. Is it a teeth rattler?
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Very pretty bow. I am a bit upset with all you guys who keep showing these beautiful forward handle bows. For years, I never paid attention to them. Now I am envious and want one real bad.
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"IF" I was to buy another Hill "ASL" it will be a forward handle....
Nice looking bow....
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Wow!
That is a beaut...
I'm also not a big fan of the d-shaped longbows, but I do like the reverse risers.
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Love it! :thumbsup:
Great work, Hatrick!
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I think you have a beautiful bow. Very nice. I've shot several reverse handle bows and they all shot great. For myself, however I can't get past thinking it looks like it's strung backwards
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I would agree w ray. I woukd like to see the back glass o.
n the top limb melt Into the riser. That is still asa really nice bow.
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Quite appealing...fine work...congrats!
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Beautiful bow. I have never shot a reverse handle ASL, but have owned a Zebra Grevy with which I tagged my first deer. Is yours a limb follow?
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That bow is absolutely stunning! Well done :clapper:
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Dave, Congratulations on a very impressive bow that is well designed and well finished. I find absolutely no fault with it. Beautiful work.
God bless, Steve
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Ditto what Ray Lyon said. Can you tell any difference in less torque with this extended section forward of the sight window? If you can I would say stay with this design. I like your long wedges in the limb tips. I bet that helps keep the string angle to limb tip from opening up as fast giving you a tad more leverage on the draw.
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No good..should be packed up and sent to my house right away!! Great looking bow sir.RC
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Yep....that's awesome
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Very nice... I enjoy shooting a forward riser...
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It's a new look for me, but more importantly - what are the advantages of reversing the riser? For me, a radical change from the status quo needs to be justified by performance gains, not jus aesthetics.
Just my $.02
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I like it :thumbsup:
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With an ASL the advantage is that you shoot a 2 inch shorter bow without overdrawing the limbs and with same finger pinch as the 2 in longer bow.
God bless, Steve
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That is a stunner for sure! How does it perform is the real question. I just love the forward handle design. Nicely designed with color and wood choices.
Bill-
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In general forward handle presents less torque, more natural pointing and as Steve says the ability for a shorter bow.
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"In general forward handle presents less torque, more natural pointing and as Steve says the ability for a shorter bow."
Yup,absolutely correct because the fade-outs of the riser are closer to the pivot point in the web of the bow hand. I could be wrong but I believe the larger the cutout of the sight window results a tad more torque too. Cut a big notch in a tree, tie a rope on above the notch in the upper part of the tree and pull. You will see the tree twist into the notch cut as it comes back. Just my thoughts of torque.
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Really appreciate the comments both positive and critical. Nice to see it's started some discussion on reverse riser ASL's. This is the 5th one I've built like this but I placed a bit more taper in the limb this time. Whereas I usually go with .004 I cut tapered the lams for a total .006 per inch. As Steve (Sixby) and Eldon (Caboo) explained, the reverse riser does allow for making the bow a little shorter. In theory I always believed that it would allow for less torque but I'm not fully convinced of that yet. I love experimenting. You never know, Both Sixby and now Steve Turay make a string follow forward riser bow. "In theory" that should never work. Surprise, I've shot both and they both shoot nicely.
This bow design came along as a mistake at first. I built an ASL stringfollow form and made a couple of bows. On about the third on I cut the sight window out for a lefty by mistake. Mad at myself I finally realized that with the same form I could make a backset reverse riser bow. The first one I made I put red cedar lams in the limbs and made it 64". It shot great so I made 4 more. This will be the last one I make for a while with the higher sight window. This one shoots really well. I don't chronograph bows but I probably should just to see any differences. Speed with this one seems to be right there with any other reverse riser ASL's I've shot and maybe a tad better than some. Draw is smooth to 29" and gains 2 pounds from 25" - 26" and 3 pounds at each inch from 26" - 29". The backset is only 1/2". Riser is 15 - 1/4" long from tip of fade to tip of fade. I left the grip as straight and 2" front to back. I don't care for smallish grips on an ASL.
Again, thanks all for comments.
Dave
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Nice looking bow you built there!!! At first i wasn't to crazy about them but after shooting a couple i really liked how they shot. Any way if you don't like it you can send it my way...i'll hang it next to my reverse handle HH Tembo II.
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Hills are great bows but I'm not a reverse handle fan...the look just doesn't do it for me. Your bows are very nice, if I were to change anything I'd lose that extra inch of upper handle section just above the laces. Again, for the looks.
Fine job, you definately have a knack!
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Here's the look of a full handle, like yours, on the Berry Northstar.
(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg617/shrewshooter/20150613_155649_zpse2xyl7el.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/shrewshooter/media/20150613_155649_zpse2xyl7el.jpg.html)
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Ray, that does look similar to the grip on my bow. JD really does some nice work. I really like the way he placed the light accents (maple I guess) around the riser. That looks like it would take a lot of extra work marrying that into the fade outs.
Funny you should have the "Autumn Legend" arrow there. On the top limb of my bow pictured I have written "Autumn Wind."
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Dave, James does great work. The two arrows pictured are two of the finest arrows I've ever used. The Autumn Legends by Paul Jalon as made for Ron LaClair's shop are second to none. The other is a vintage Forgewood arrow. I purchased 19 matched arrows in St. Jude auction and I try one from each bow I purchase but I'm saving them for special hunts. They're in great shape and hit like a ton of bricks.
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Very nice Ray!
One of the best longbow shooters I saw, Jim Cochran, at the '86 Great Lakes Marshall shoot.
He was shooting a Shultz reverse handle, I think,
Cougar, bow.
Anyone have one of these?
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I used to breed and raise Reg., Appaloosa horses. However I liked every breed of horse and liked them for what they were and for their specialized use. You can see their good points if you look.
Bows are like that too and some people kind of get stuck with liking just one kind of bow and shun the rest. I'm not that way. I like super recurves and I like string follows and everything in between. I guess that is why I build them all.
I do see and feel the shootability and feel of the string follow and the ASL bows and if you can add speed to them by innotative design and material use no harm done.
those are good looking bows and look to be very well made.
God bless, Steve
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I like it, very pretty bow !
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Originally posted by Hatrick:
Ray, that does look similar to the grip on my bow. JD really does some nice work. I really like the way he placed the light accents (maple I guess) around the riser. That looks like it would take a lot of extra work marrying that into the fade outs.
Funny you should have the "Autumn Legend" arrow there. On the top limb of my bow pictured I have written "Autumn Wind."
By the way, the most beautiful bow I own is a JD Berry Yaweh built in the late 80's when James and Dan were building bows together. Absolute amazing blending of woods and intricate spacer/accent lines. This is nothing new for James Berry.
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Really nice Dave as all of your bows are.
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Thanks Rich, and Happy Thanksgiving to you.
I just picked up a light weight target bow so let me know when you and Bill plan to go to Mayberry to shoot.
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I'm at deer camp the next shoot but 12/18 would be the one after.
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Good looking bow. :archer2:
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Absolutely love it!! Really diggin the bacote and green!
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Dave, another gorgeous bow. I'll have to take that one for a spin at Baltimore. Dave makes a great shooting bow. I know I have one. Hope your having a nice Thanksgiving buddy. God bless, Scott.
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Looking sharp!
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Thanks, Scott. Hope your Thanksgiving was exceptional and your family doing well. I'll give you a call around Christmas time to chat a bit and catch up on things. Dave
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Dumb question. Could you string it the other way and shoot it as a left handed bow also?
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Actually no, not this bow since the string grooves are already cut for right handed. If however, you originally cut the grooves the other way then yes, it would be a lefty with slight string follow and "normal looking" or no reverse riser.