Here is the full edited video:
http://youtu.be/ubCRy7z8liA
Terrible shot on my part...recovery details on page 3
I feel your pain and you did everything right. Keep filming your hunts and sharing your story. It's hard to kill a deer with a recurve and even harder to get it on film.
Looking forward to more videos.
So Kansas law does not let you recover game that moves onto someone else's property? That's ridiculous.
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That would not go over well with me.
Same thing happened to a guy I worked with here in NY. He contacted the landowner, the landowner asked if it was a buck or a doe. When he was told it was a buck he told my coworker no, he couldn't access his property. 5 minutes later the landowner and his son were out on their ATVs looking for the buck. It's the law :dunno:
I went through the same situation at home last October on a 150" Whitetail. I kept in touch with the landowner and was eventually granted permission but it was months later.. I found the deer but of course there wasn't anything left but a skull and antlers. Sorry to hear about your luck but at least you know you did it right. I would not pester the landowner but I would keep in touch with him. Good Luck.
In Kansas, its State law, that the landowner must allow recovery of hit animals, either willingly letting you, OR BY A GAME WARDEN THAT GOES AND GETS IT FOR YOU. By law, Game wardens here have the right to access any private ground. You should have got hold of the Game official, and he would have retrieved the buck for you.
I hope you get your deer. Knowing how well you shoot, and you said it ran 50 yards...my assumption is the deer only made it another 50 - 100 yards over onto his property? You probably handled it the best way - however, I would have just gone and got my deer.
I can't tell if it's a great hit in the video - if it's marginal then I would have called too. But if it's a double lunger...
Had this happen a couple years ago. The landowner found my buck and cut the head off and left the rest. I hope you are granted access. The animal and you desrve that much
I know in Iowa you are allowed to recover, just without your weapon.
Sorry to hear that happened to you.
That's rough.
I was watching a public land hunt (I'm pretty sure it was in Kansas) and the deer ran onto private property. The warden said that they had permission to go onto the property and recover the deer. Even if it wasn't the law, I don't see why someone would refuse to allow you onto their property, especially another hunter who should understand the situation.
Sorry to hear a fellow bowhunter would not at least accompany you to search for the buck. I have always allowed neighbors to retrieve deer on my property. Just the right thing to do.
I too thought that IF you have a blood trail then by law you are allowed to pursue game. If you can show the warden blood then it is not up to the landowner. The laws may have changed but 2-3 years ago this was the law.
What a shame. Wish you could have been able to pursue him! Thanks for sharing the video!
That's just amazing to me that someone would not let you go get a deer that has been shot!
Thanks for the kind replies guys ...I posted this on another site and am getting grilled. Lots of things I could have done to make for a better situation here...believe me I'm kicking myself for multiple reasons
Same thing in Illinois You can not tresspass for any reason. I have an agreement with the adjoing landowners to my property. Call the other fist to let them know. Just keeps us from messing up the other one who may still be hunting. Also I will go help them
I was told by KDWP that you have the right to go onto private property to retrieve game. If the Landowner finds you and asks you to leave you have to leave.
what a jerk. that guy deserves to have the same thing happen to him. difference is, i bet he won't even call you if it does.
I just don't understand why anyone would not let you look for a dead deer. I can understand why they would want to go with you or have a game warden go with you but to just refuse and let a deer waste like that is wrong.
Here is what I found with an internet search -- this seems to be consistent with what CEW says above:
Kansas
Trespassing is permitted by licensed hunters in order to pursue a wounded game bird or animal, except that if the owner of the land instructs the hunter to leave, the hunter must leave immediately. Any person who fails to leave such land when instructed is subject to the provisions of the criminal trespass law.
Did you ever hear back from the game warden you called?
On those other sites, some of the posters must put broken glass on the floor along the other side of the bed. Then they make sure they wake up and roll out on the "wrong" side on this glass. They want to spend their day being mad.
In Kentucky, and most states I've lived, you must have the permission of the landowner to go on property without it being called trespass. The state advises the hunter to seek permission before hand or after. If permission can't be gained, the local CO should be contacted who can help mediate. As has been stated here, most states's CO's have the authority to go on private property with cause.
I support laws that require permission to "trespass". There are too many dishonorable "hunters" out there who will trespass with bows or guns in hand and them claim to be looking for a wounded game animal. In fact, they are often simply hunting without permission.
In fact, if my state sought to liberalize such trespass permission, I would attend the regulation meeting and oppose it. Something I have NEVER done as a civilian.
Some people don't want anyone on their land for any reasons....you'd think they guy would let ya though.
I'd start hunting farther from the fence now that ya know what ya do...
Tim
You'll never believe it guys! I found him! I took half a day off today and went searching, believe it or not I found him on the walk in! He was close to a pond not but 100 yards from where I shot him. My best guess is that he circled back to the water at some point. My phone went dead shortly after I posted this morning and I found him right as I was needing to leave for work. I'm one lucky guy today!
Unfortunately the meat that was left was not salvageable and the critters had pretty much cleaned him up.
I just got home had to run back to work but I'll be loading a few pictures I snapped into photobucket and posting as soon as possible
Congrats on finding him! To bad about the meat but it happens every now and then.
Congrats on a great KS buck Michael!
Congrats. Can't wait to see it.
Looking forward to the pics!
Way to stay after it Michael. :thumbsup:
That's awesome Michael! Congrats buddy. Sorry you lost the meat but that's a gift to recover what you did.
That is great Michael!
QuoteOriginally posted by CEW:
I was told by KDWP that you have the right to go onto private property to retrieve game. If the Landowner finds you and asks you to leave you have to leave.
You were defently told wrong and will find your self in jail if caught. You should never put your self in the position we're a bow shot deer can make it to someone else's property to begin with. But things happen in this game we play be prepared, but I don't recommend Tresspassing with out permission.
Tracy
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Congrats!
Out of curiosity, whats he green score?
Congrats Michael! One heck of a season man!!!!
You going to put your tag on him?
Tracy
Way 2 go and keep looking, good things happen 2 good people.
QuoteOriginally posted by K.S.TRAPPER:
You going to put your tag on him?
Tracy
Good question....I would think you have to Michael....
So what's the law say can't find it on crossing prop lines?
QuoteOriginally posted by K.S.TRAPPER:
You going to put your tag on him?
Tracy
Oh absolutely Tracy, I would have punched my tag immediately had I had a chance to access where I thought he was...I believe it's the right thing to do regardless of actuall recovery (if you can call this mess a recovery)
QuoteOriginally posted by Shadowhnter:
Out of curiosity, whats he green score?
I'm no master measurerer but I have 131" and some change
Congrats on finding him!'
Tracy
Trespass
TRESPASS
reason I ask is I'm going to KS, this all I can find, says should be obtained?
Landowner Permission Card (PDF 127.33 kB)
Written permission is required to enter land posted with hunting and/or trapping by "Written Permission Only" signs, or land having trees or fence posts painted purple. Landowner permission should be obtained before pursuing wounded game onto private property. If you cannot find the landowner or get permission, contact your local natural resource officer. (HERE)
It is both illegal and dangerous to mount blinds or treestands on power poles, whether they appear abandoned or not.
Ignore the top, I cut and pasted from the reg book
Its right here Tracy.... at least for posted as written permission only. bottom of page 78, full regs. ITs changed since I last seen. IM still looking for more.
32-1013. Taking wildlife without permission on land posted "by written permission only". (a)
Any landowner or person in lawful possession of any land may post such land with signs stating that
hunting, trapping or fishing on such land shall be by written permission only. It is unlawful for any
person to take wildlife on land which is posted as provided in this subsection, without having in the
person's possession the written permission of the owner or person in lawful possession thereof.
(b) Instead of posting land as provided in subsection (a), any landowner or person in lawful
possession of any land may post such land by placing identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts
around the area to be posted. Each paint mark shall be a vertical line of at least eight inches in length
and the bottom of the mark shall be no less than three feet nor more than five feet high. Such paint
marks shall be readily visible to any person approaching the land. Land posted as provided in this
subsection shall be considered to be posted by written permission only as provided in subsection (a).
(c) A person licensed to hunt or furharvest who is following or pursuing a wounded animal on land
as provided in this section posted without written permission of the landowner or person in lawful
possession thereof shall not be in violation of this section while in such pursuit, except that the
provisions of this subsection shall not authorize a person to remain on such land if instructed to leave by
the owner or person in lawful possession of the land. Any person who fails to leave such land when
instructed is subject to the provisions of subsection (b) K.S.A. 2l-3728, and amendments thereto.
(d) Any person convicted of violating provisions of this section shall be subject to the penalties
prescribed in K.S.A. 32-1031, and amendments thereto, except as provided in K.S.A. 32-1032, and
Never crossed my mind that Michael would have done nothing less. Was delayed in my response due to carefully rereading the thread to determine if I had possibly missed something before posting.
The deer we pursue command our greatest honor and respect as radiantly displayed by Michael's full display of intergity in his all out effort to recover the fallen animal.
Congrats!!!
Michael,
Congrats on an awesome deer! Could you tell anything about the arrow placement with what was left of him?
I use Adobe Premiere. I think there is a free version without all the bells and whistles..you can get the full/non-subscription version for around $100
Lol....I also found this under 2016 regulations on their site....
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It is illegal to hunt, shoot, or trap on private land without the owner's permission. Hunting from public roads requires permission of the landowner adjacent to the side of the road being hunted. Railroad rights-of-way require permission from the railroad.
Landowner Permission Card (PDF 127.33 kB)
Written permission is required to enter land posted with hunting and/or trapping by "Written Permission Only" signs, or land having trees or fence posts painted purple. Landowner permission should be obtained before pursuing wounded game onto private property. If you cannot find the landowner or get permission, contact your local natural resource officer. (HERE)
It is both illegal and dangerous to mount blinds or treestands on power poles, whether they appear abandoned or not.
Congrats Michael, at least you have closure...
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :archer:
Recovery permission is someting that any hunter should determine BEFORE ever needing it. As essential a part of hunt preparation as scouting, being proficient with your bow, sharpening broadheads, etc. Especially when hunting a smaller property where there is a high probability of the deer leaving before dying. If you decide to drop the string knowing you may not be able to recover, be prepared to accept the decision.
Glad you found him. Congrats. Jeff
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
Recovery permission is someting that any hunter should determine BEFORE ever needing it. As essential a part of hunt preparation as scouting, being proficient with your bow, sharpening broadheads, etc. Especially when hunting a smaller property where there is a high probability of the deer leaving before dying. If you decide to drop the string knowing you may not be able to recover, be prepared to accept the decision.
Yep, the thought never crossed my mind for some reason. I hope you can learn from my mistake.
Way to go Michael! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Tresspass/recovery laws vary quite a bit from state to state. In some states, the landowner is required to post his property before trespass laws can be enforced. Other states it is the responsibility of the hunter to know property lines. Same applies to recovery. Some states require permission while others say you have a right to recover. Make sure you know the laws for where you are hunting.
Nice Buck Man, way to stick with it :thumbsup:
First let me congratulate Michael on recovering a fine buck. Many hunters would have given up searching after realizing the buck may have gone onto another property.
Now I would also like to say that from my understanding there are a few comments posted that are out of line in my opinion about Michael's situation. He did not shoot the deer knowing that it would run onto someone else's property. He handled the situation very well by asking the landowner for permission to recover his deer. Although it is a nice thought to have permission to enter every neighboring property before a season starts it is not always easily obtained or ever obtained for that matter. Losing a deer or any game animal is part of hunting whether we want to accept that or not; whether it be from loss of blood, poor shot placement, or permission to enter a property.
Congrats Michael I believe you handled it in a very ethical way and I am glad you were able to recover a fine buck.
Congrats Michael! Nice To see your smile in here. WE need dedicated young trads. Good luck in your Bowhunting career don't ever give up or look at the dark side. Lol
QuoteOriginally posted by Michael Arnette:
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
Recovery permission is someting that any hunter should determine BEFORE ever needing it. As essential a part of hunt preparation as scouting, being proficient with your bow, sharpening broadheads, etc. Especially when hunting a smaller property where there is a high probability of the deer leaving before dying. If you decide to drop the string knowing you may not be able to recover, be prepared to accept the decision.
Yep, the thought never crossed my mind for some reason. I hope you can learn from my mistake. [/b]
Lesson I learned a long time ago.
My post was more to motivate others - not to criticise you.
Thanks Steve I figured so
As a landowner, I would be mortally pissed off if someone came on my property to chase a wounded deer. With that said though, if he contacted me and asked to do so, I would be happy to have him come over and evern help him look. This is (unless) he had a previous "dubious" reputation....we do have a few down here in Texas- as I'm sure every state does.
Glad you found him Michael!
Congrats on a great buck!
I think you handled the situation right fwiw.
Congrats. Glad you were able to recover him.
Congrats!! Glad you found him.
Full video is up in the original post