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Title: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: FullQuiver on September 15, 2016, 10:31:00 AM
I'm a left handed shooter, and my arrows have always impacted slightly right of my point of aim, despite careful bareshaft tuning. I am able to compensate for this, but I'd prefer my arrows to fly to where I'm looking. My misses are almost slightly high and right. I'm shooting a left handed ACS CX 55@28 with a velcro strike plate. How should I alter my strike plate to bring my arrow to the left? Thanks for your suggestions.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: DanielB89 on September 15, 2016, 10:40:00 AM
make the strike plate thinner and softer.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: nhbuck1 on September 15, 2016, 10:41:00 AM
try a more solid striker plate like leather if that dosent work build it out with double sided carpet tape piece by piece. try decreasing   point weight as well
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: FullQuiver on September 15, 2016, 10:45:00 AM
Ok, What is softer and thinner than velcro?

Won't building out take it further right for a lefty?
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Blueridge on September 15, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
that happens to me when my ring finger comes into play too much. Every time. i try to concentrate on using mainly the 1st and middle finger and let the ring finger just ride along.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: McDave on September 15, 2016, 11:34:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by FullQuiver:
Ok, What is softer and thinner than velcro?

Won't building out take it further right for a lefty?
A Martin rug rest is softer than Velcro.  It doesn't necessarily have to be thinner, as the force of the arrow will compress it anyway when the arrow is shot.  If you're impacting high, you should also use a softer material for your rest.  I bought my last supply of Martin rug rests from Ye Olde Archery shop.  Hopefully they still have some.  I generally use Martin rug rests for both strike plates and rests, depending on the bow.

Per Rick's method of tuning, you can also lower your POI by raising your nock point, instead or in addition to using a softer rest.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Terry Green on September 15, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
I never bare shaft....but you arrows could be stiff.....stiff arrows always spit left for me....or if I don't get full extention and full draw. (solved all that years ago by incorporating a double anchor)

I would double check my spine with a heavier head or lighter spined arrow.....just to make sure
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Friend on September 15, 2016, 12:06:00 PM
A Martin side plate....
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: FullQuiver on September 15, 2016, 12:12:00 PM
Martin side plate and rest on the way. I have messed around plenty with different point weights and shafts. I'm certain its something in my form. I will also try reducing the pressure on my ring finger.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: 3Bears on September 15, 2016, 01:13:00 PM
Sent 2 days with Rick last month and the martin rest worked great for me.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: SAVIOUR68 on September 15, 2016, 05:08:00 PM
What spine arrows are you shooting including lengths and point weight?
Is 28 your actual draw length?
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: SAVIOUR68 on September 15, 2016, 05:10:00 PM
You may also try a slight brace height adjustment to bring impact inline
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: A.S. on September 15, 2016, 05:52:00 PM
I battle the same exact thing. The Martin side plate materials works good, but it wears out too quickly for me. Black Widow sells the perfect material for me. It looks like velcro, but it much softer. It brings my arrows dead center. I can't shoot a bow correctly without it.

Go to their site, and look up item # 320. They call it "recurve shelf rest and side plate" material.

Try it, I can almost guarantee it will move your arrows over. If it doesn't, let me know and I will buy it from you.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: FullQuiver on September 15, 2016, 06:56:00 PM
I'm drawing 27.5". My arrows are CE Heritage 250s with 125 on the front and 29.75" in length. I've bareshafted and paper tuned. I think my arrows are flying pretty good. Also, I have had this tendency to shoot slightly right and high for many years and with different bows. I'm thinking maybe I ought to adapt the equipment to me rather than adapting to the equipment.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: The Whittler on September 15, 2016, 08:35:00 PM
Take about 3-4 twist up in your string. It will just take a couple sec. and see how it does.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: drewsbow on September 15, 2016, 08:47:00 PM
arrows are stiff , try more point weight
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: M60gunner on September 15, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
I also use the BW "shelf and side plate" material. Mostly for my LB but I use small pieces on my brush rests for adjusting arrow flight like said above. That material lasts a long time. Spare pieces are easy to carry. Been happy with product for a long time.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: olddogrib on September 16, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
Before you buy new materials I'd try any longer shafts you haven't cut, they may spine fine.  If not, try a heavier point 175gr. and up.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: forestdweller on September 16, 2016, 12:42:00 PM
Sounds like a form issue.

Missing left for a right handed shooter or right for a left handed shooter can result from a number of different form issues of which I am still dealing with.

I know this is not what you want to hear but with 4" feathers or greater on your arrows your arrows should be grouping together no matter your point weight or even with mismatched spined arrows and should be flying directly towards where you are aiming.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: nhbuck1 on September 16, 2016, 01:42:00 PM
Terry how do you tune your arrows?
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: FullQuiver on September 16, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
Messed around with point weight a little.

125 grain: Bareshaft flies perfectly staight and impacts with fletched. This is my current set up center of group is about 2" right at 20yds.

150 grain: Bareshaft flies slightly but noticeably nock right but the right error is corrected. If the new rug doesn't correct the problem when it arrives, I will be adding 25 grain brass weights to my inserts. Although, I'd rather have perfect bareshaft flight and hits where looking, if i can get it.

175 grain: Bareshaft has a very pronounced nock right in flight. Fletched shafts impact ok, but are a little more sensitive to release errors.

"Sounds like a form issue"
Yep. that's true. The arrows go where I want when I work at it. But if after a decade of shooting traditional bows I'm still wearing a hole in the target that is slightly right of center, maybe I should make a change to my equipment. I don't know. I got the idea from watching a Rick Welch video. He says "set your bow up to hit where your looking." Sounds like a wise idea to me, and the man certainly has the authority to give archery advice. I think its worth a try. Changing strikeplates is certainly not going to make me any worse.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: forestdweller on September 16, 2016, 10:59:00 PM
All that building out your sideplate will do is weaken the spine causing your bareshafts to go out of tune and you are losing arrow efficiency since your arrow will go through more paradox as well.

If it works it works though, good luck with the tuning.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Steve D on February 02, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
Good topic, would like to know where a person can get Martin side plate and rests? Thanks
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: McDave on February 03, 2017, 01:02:00 AM
Martin rug rests and side plates can be obtained from Ye Olde Archery Shop.  I would order several of each if I were you, as I have the feeling they're not going to be available forever.  If the adhesive provided gets old or wears out, double sided carpet tape works fine as a replacement.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: the rifleman on February 03, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
Scot, check out my thread " side plate tuning to hit where you look" on the shooters form forum.  This adjustment will very likely work for you.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: J. Holden on February 03, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
One thing I did was take my beard trimmer and gave my Velcro a trim.  Still soft but there is less material to bump the arrow out now.  Not really sure if it helped, I did this after my tuning.  I was almost there bareshaft and tried this after the I fletched my arrows.

Hope it helps.

-Jeremy   :coffee:
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Steve D on February 04, 2017, 12:22:00 AM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: For Rick Welch Guys
Post by: Mr. fingers on February 04, 2017, 11:21:00 AM
I battle with this too. A few things in my form help.
Bow arm slightly bent with elbow facing out and not towards the ground.
Making sure my wrist stays straight during follow through with a low wrist it's easy to have it break to the side.
Keep anchor constantly close to face. If your anchor varies even slightly off you face you will through arrows off to bow arm side. Keep arrow in line under your aiming eye.
Check out Jimmy Blackmons videos on you tube. He demonstrates and,explains it very well.