I ordered a dozen 190 Concordes from their website, but I had some issues. Maybe I'm too picky, but the grinds were incomplete (not meeting the other side of the edge), the tips were blackened, presumably from overheating during grinding and changing the temper of the steel, and the ferrules were oblong, not allowing my inserts to seat fully, while still wobbling noticeably.
Am I expecting too much? They were cheap (<$4 each), and Garry did offer a refund if I ship back to Australia. Just not worth the trouble, though.
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I wouldn't be happy. But at < 4$ a piece, I guess you get what you pay for.
I stick with zwickey cuz I know what I'm getting.
How many do you have, I'll buy them for $4 each
The ferrules would bother me more then the tiny bit of color change on the tip..
I buy mine from Braveheart. I have Spirits and Javelins. Both Screw in and Glue on. I have not experienced what you describe other than the bevel not coming to an edge. At least they have a grind started- They used to not have any. Mine all have Alum adapters and fit fine.
You can true up those ferrules by tapping a steel adapter in with a hammer.
The edges, are just gonna take a little more time with a file.
The ferrul doesn't even look like its mounted evenly to the blade. Look at the difference in space on both sides.
QuoteOriginally posted by MCS:
The ferrul doesn't even look like its mounted evenly to the blade. Look at the difference in space on both sides.
That's because they are a single bevel. It would have been even before they started the grind. I bought a set of 250 gr screw ins to hunt with this year. They took a bit to get sharp, but once I got them there, they are scary sharp. They also fly like a field tip out of my bow. Seem to be a good head for the money and I expect they'll do well on an animal as well.
Not to be argumentative, but where do you get< Tomsm44, that the single bevel is the cause of the uneven ferrule?
I've had double bevel that had that! When two halves are brazed together, stuff happens... not consistently, but it does happen... consumer plays hell trying to get the mounted centered so they fly right...
I was just meaning that the single bevel in the picture makes it look like its bad off center, but could actually be just fine. It could also actually be a little off. It's hard to tell for sure in a picture. I know I usually get on this site on my phone and I can't always see details very well on the small screen. Just pointing out a possible reason for it looking that way in case it is indeed just an optical illusion you were seeing. I don't doubt they could screw up on some, and I would say a ferrule not fitting a taper correctly would count as a screw up, whether it's centered or not. I also wanted to share my good experiences since several people seem to be knocking them based on one bad experience. I saw Zwickeys mentioned as a better option, but I've heard of plenty of issues with them as well. I would recommend Tuskers based on my experience, and wouldn't hesitate to try a Zwickey since the good results far outweigh the bad.
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Doc Nock
Realized after posting that the original comment I responded to wasn't yours. ;)
The ferrule does look way off.If it is,there's no way that thing could ever spin true or fly well for that matter.I would check that out thoroughly before spending a minute on any of them.
QuoteOriginally posted by tomsm44:
I was just meaning that the single bevel in the picture makes it look like its bad off center, but could actually be just fine. It could also actually be a little off. It's hard to tell for sure in a picture. I know I usually get on this site on my phone and I can't always see details very well on the small screen. Just pointing out a possible reason for it looking that way in case it is indeed just an optical illusion you were seeing. I don't doubt they could screw up on some, and I would say a ferrule not fitting a taper correctly would count as a screw up, whether it's centered or not. I also wanted to share my good experiences since several people seem to be knocking them based on one bad experience. I saw Zwickeys mentioned as a better option, but I've heard of plenty of issues with them as well. I would recommend Tuskers based on my experience, and wouldn't hesitate to try a Zwickey since the good results far outweigh the bad.
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I have several Tusker and love them... In the OLD Days they had NO bevel,, but I got mine that were beveled single bevel by KME and hear good things.
My point was that any brazed or welded 2 part head can end up mis-aligned. I've had double bevel heads by another maker that were so out of round on ferrule, they were unusable.
Hard to fault a specific head or even 6 that comes in a package as a bad batch or that all such Mfg are toast.
Those one would pay out the nose and are individually forged or turned out of single bit of bar stock are surely superior, but I cannot afford those. I wish I could.
Overall, the Tusker (and most brands) are good heads, but have issues time-to-time...
Im with tomsm44 here I think the wide single bevel on one side and lack of a bevel on the other make it look off center but I think it's just an illusion. No need for anyone to get their panties in a wad. I've thought about trying some tusker deltas but after seeing the ferrule on that I think I'll stick with my Magnus heads
I don't have it in my hand but on my screen,it measures way off and the center line of the ferrule points nowhere near the point of the blade.I would look them all over carefully.
The blades are positioned well and the ferrule is centered; I was not holding it square in the pic, plus the single bevel always makes heads look off. The problem is that the ferrule opening is ovate instead of round, so inserts won't slide all the way in, yet still rattle around...
Seat it with a mallet/hammer. It will seat, at least all of mine have.
PistolPete,I had that trouble with the old style Grizzlies.I learned a trick from Ron at KME and that is to put the broadhead in a vice,chuck a long,steel adapter in a drill and run that in the ferrule.It should form the ferrule to fit.If you pound it in,you are likely to bend the adapter shank.I also don't use that adapter on arrows,in case the shank gets tweaked.
Those old Grizzlies had an unfinished bevel,like yours and it helped to put them on the belt sander to finish the bevel,before doing any serious sharpening.By all accounts,the Tuskers are good,tough broadheads but just need finished out,like the old Grizzly.
For my own use,I'd want to tanto that tip to prevent any curling.I like to mark a centerline there,before filing back the needle point.
Well...
I wouldn't spend my time with messed up heads..just not worth it.
Send em back..whatever.
If I were to really want tuskers I'd order from Braveheart as they stand behind their sales and are more local...but I'd ask them 1st if the quality has gone down the drain.
'I learned a trick from Ron at KME and that is to put the broadhead in a vice,chuck a long,steel adapter in a drill and run that in the ferrule.It should form the ferrule to fit.'
--good share jim--it makes all adapters fit better
--all the tuskers I've handled were excellent steel
Pete, sorry I am late to the party on this one, just saw your post.
The Tusker 190's use the same blade as the 155's all the weight difference is in the ferrule using thicker steel to make the weight. As a result the ferrules on the 190's can be a bit oval. When you use heat and your hot melt it won't matter, the adapters will still spin true without much trouble when you mount them up.
As for the blackened tip, I have never seen one like that no that it not typical so I don't really know what's up with that. :campfire:
Good to see you post, Tim.
I had great results with my Tusker's I bought from you...
...and great service!!! :)